What steps will the Cavs take to retain Lebron?

[jazzfan1971]

It appears that winning championships is the #1 criteria for retaining Lebron. What will Cleveland do to show that they are building a dynasty around Lebron?

Looking for specific things, obviously they can't be real, but, they can be realistic.

[Gordon Bombay]

i don't even know. we definitely need to address our center situation because clearly the shaq experiment didn't work. i'd love to get brendan haywood or jermaine o'neal but some team with more capspace will likely scoop those two up. we'll probably end up with some combination of kwame brown, etan thomas, brian skinner, francisco elson, etc. not great names by any means but we just need some spot minutes (and fouls for dwight howard) just so we don't run andy into the ground.

mo williams' playoff chokefests are becoming a big problem and i'd prefer him gone. i don't know who we replace him with but i hope it's somebody who isn't allergic to playing defense.

delonte is obviously gone because he is our best trade piece with only 500k of his 4 mil salary guaranteed. him, telfair, moon and parker are all expirings coupled with hickson and green as young guys are the trade pieces that we have. ferry will have to get creative with how he uses them

[Triumph36]

I think Ferry is going to push hard for another star, though it's difficult to say who. I'm sure he'll inquire about Gay, Iggy, Bosh, Amare, & JJ. Those are the first names who come to mind but there are probably others. Hopefully he'll ask LBJ to help with the recruiting too, heh. But I'm assuming everyone will be on the table for the above players, and deals will be offered where we absorb Hedo and possibly Jose as well with Toronto...and maybe Brand with Philly.

Outside of that, I think he'll target a center with the MLE. I'm hoping someone along the lines of Jermaine O'Neal, Brad Miller, or Darko. Plus it's already known he's going to try to get into the draft though that won't play a huge part in LeBron's decision.

So I guess it just really comes down to bringing in another star, and I think he'll exercise every possible option to get it done.

[jaypo]

Funny how people say the Shaq experiment didn't work, then lobby for Jermaine Oneal. Did you watch any Miami games? The Shaq experiment DID work until Davis ripped up his thumb. Then, he had to assimilate back into an offense with Jamison. Actually, the JAMISON experiment failed miserably. He did absolutely squat in the playoffs, and aside of 1 good half, neither did Mo Williams. And the crappy part is that Cleveland doens't have that much flexibility to build a winner with another max guy and Lebron, and Lebron will definitely, 100% not sign with a team without another big name on it (Wade, Bosh, Amare, Johnson).

They should fire sale the likes of Mo and Jamison and get what they can for them. Insert JJ back into the fold and give some minutes to Jawad and Danny Green. If they can somehow parlay West, Mo, and Jamison into a Bosh or Amare (with the promise of winning a title), maybe Cleveland can build a contender. I'm not very educated about their contracts, so I don't know what more they could do.

[heathmalc]

Here is a trade that could possibly net the Cavaliers Chris Bosh:

Cavaliers receive: Chris Bosh; Hedo Turkoglu; Jose Calderon

Raptors receive: Anderson Varejao; Jamison; Telfair; Gibson; West, the rights to Christian Eyenga, and 2 1st round picks.

This is basically a 4 player for 3 player deal because Delonte would be released.

Toronto GM BC has already stated that either Jose or Jack would be moved, and they are also looking for someone to take Hedo. Toronto has always wanted Anderson, and they also like Eyenga and Gibson. We save them 11 million from next season's salary cap; give them a 1st-team all-defensive player, who they have tried to get from us twice; they get 2 1st round picks. Over the course of the trade, it saves them over 61 million dollars.

Here is a separate idea:

Cavs get: Jarrett Jack, Turkoglu, Bosh

Raptors get: Jamison, Hickson, Varejao, West - rights to Eyenga & two 1st rounders & Cash.

This is a 3 for 3 player trade, basically, as West would likely be released.

Cavs would look like this:

C: Oneal/Ilgauskas/Kaun/ Mid-level?
PF: Bosh/Powe/Mid-Level?/LeBron/Hedo
SF: Hedo/Moon/LeBron
SG: LeBron/A.P./Green/Jack
PG: Mo/Jack/Gibson

Cavs save the Raptors 75 million, including 14 million next season.

[Triumph36]

Funny how people say the Shaq experiment didn't work, then lobby for Jermaine Oneal. Did you watch any Miami games? The Shaq experiment DID work until Davis ripped up his thumb. Then, he had to assimilate back into an offense with Jamison. Actually, the JAMISON experiment failed miserably. He did absolutely squat in the playoffs, and aside of 1 good half, neither did Mo Williams. And the crappy part is that Cleveland doens't have that much flexibility to build a winner with another max guy and Lebron, and Lebron will definitely, 100% not sign with a team without another big name on it (Wade, Bosh, Amare, Johnson).

They should fire sale the likes of Mo and Jamison and get what they can for them. Insert JJ back into the fold and give some minutes to Jawad and Danny Green. If they can somehow parlay West, Mo, and Jamison into a Bosh or Amare (with the promise of winning a title), maybe Cleveland can build a contender. I'm not very educated about their contracts, so I don't know what more they could do.

The Shaq experiment didn't work because he has an ego the size of the moon despite his play not being close to that level. The Heat suck, and JON isn't a starting-quality center on a team trying to contend but he'd be fine in the back-up role (or starting but playing back-up minutes).

Mo and Jamison won't get ****. Both have neutral value at best though it's probably closer to negative value, and they certainly won't be getting Bosh or Amare.

[heathmalc]

Here is another option:

To Toronto: Al Jefferson; JJ Hickson; Jamison (future 1st from cavs); rights to Eyenga & Cash

To Minnesota: Varejao

To Cavaliers: Bosh, Turkoglu

[mcfly1204]

Here is another option:

To Toronto: Al Jefferson; JJ Hickson; Jamison (future 1st from cavs); rights to Eyenga & Cash

To Minnesota: Varejao

To Cavaliers: Bosh, Turkoglu

WTF? Why wouldn't we just move Varejao for Jefferson straight up?

[heathmalc]

Here is another option:

To Toronto: Al Jefferson; JJ Hickson; Jamison (future 1st from cavs); rights to Eyenga & Cash

To Minnesota: Varejao

To Cavaliers: Bosh, Turkoglu

WTF? Why wouldn't we just move Varejao for Jefferson straight up?

Because Bosh is 50X times better, and that is who LeBron wants!

[TheOUTLAW]

Heath, you are giving up way more than the Cavs can afford to part with.

[mcfly1204]

Here is another option:

To Toronto: Al Jefferson; JJ Hickson; Jamison (future 1st from cavs); rights to Eyenga & Cash

To Minnesota: Varejao

To Cavaliers: Bosh, Turkoglu

WTF? Why wouldn't we just move Varejao for Jefferson straight up?

Because Bosh is 50X times better, and that is who LeBron wants!

I am sure that Toronto's wet dream is moving Bosh for 3 PF's (making almost $28 million next season), and also losing their starting SF without a replacement. And don't give me that, "Toronto really likes Eyenga" crap, he is not ready to play in the NBA.

[heathmalc]

Here is another option:

To Toronto: Al Jefferson; JJ Hickson; Jamison (future 1st from cavs); rights to Eyenga & Cash

To Minnesota: Varejao

To Cavaliers: Bosh, Turkoglu

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McFly1204 said: WTF? Why wouldn't we just move Varejao for Jefferson straight up?
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Because Bosh is 50X times better, and that is who LeBron wants!

I am sure that Toronto's wet dream is moving Bosh for 3 PF's (making almost $28 million next season), and also losing their starting SF without a replacement. And don't give me that, "Toronto really likes Eyenga" crap, he is not ready to play in the NBA.

Apparently you never watched Jamison before he came to the Cavs. He plays small forward better than he plays PF!!! He played that role for us about 30% of the time he was on the floor. As for the 28 million... That is What Hedo & Bosh will make by themselves. This would allow them to trade Bargs too! And in-case you didn't notice, Toronto was better when Hedo was not on the floor...as has been wrote about non-stop in Toronto.

Oh yeah... and Al Jefferson plays the 5... he has his entire career.

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To Outlaw: Am I? Powe takes over for Hickson, Bosh takes over for Varejao; LeBron moves to SG and Hedo takes over SF spot. The 1st round picks are easily a fair trade for Bosh. Hickson is really an unknown quantity... we better use him while we can, because he looks exactly the same as he did at NC state! He IS NOT our future!!!! Jamison for Hedo is a great deal for us. Hedo has an extra year, but makes a little less, and is younger.

[nesta]

Here is another option:

To Toronto: Al Jefferson; JJ Hickson; Jamison (future 1st from cavs); rights to Eyenga & Cash

To Minnesota: Varejao

To Cavaliers: Bosh, Turkoglu

WTF? Why wouldn't we just move Varejao for Jefferson straight up?

Because Bosh is 50X times better, and that is who LeBron wants!

As a Raps fan, I think most fans would take that deal if Bosh does not want to stay. Toronto fans would rather have Jamison rather than Turkoglu whose heart is already out of Toronto. The combo of Jefferson+Bargnani defensively is just as crappy as Bosh-Bargnani, so who really GAF? Hickson, 1st round pick, rights to Eyenga and cash are extra bonuses and deal sweeteners.

The only thing I don't get is, why in the world would Minnesota do that? Does it even work out salary wise

[Rise Against]

Here is another option:

To Toronto: Al Jefferson; JJ Hickson; Jamison (future 1st from cavs); rights to Eyenga & Cash

To Minnesota: Varejao

To Cavaliers: Bosh, Turkoglu

Minnesota won't hesitate to say no.. It also seems like the Cavs are giving up a bit too much.. But to be honest here, that is actually one of your better trade proposals than any of the other ones I've seen.

[Niko23]

I think Heath actually makes sense with one of those first deals. I posted on the trade board a few days ago that the Cavs have no leverage other than taking on salary. If they want Bosh, it is clear that they will have to take on Hedo and Calderon or Jack.

[Roger Murdock]

Why would the wolves trade Jefferson for Varejao? Makes 0 sense. I would do the trade involving bosh, turk and jack.

[jaypo]

Triumph36- how exactly did Shaq's ego come into play this year at all? The last time I checked, the Cavs finished the reg. season with the best record in the league. They got bounced by the team going to the finals, and they pretty much lost because Lebron gave the series away. What part did Shaq's ego play in any of that??????

[ShowNTell]

why are you guys worrying about fouling howard, and you couldnt get past the Celtics? one series at a time, stop thinking in the future, think about now, Lebron wont be helping with recruiting, because he will be getting recruited himself, Bosh has 0 desire to play in Cleveland, and he also wants that 6th year max, can you guys even afford it? Also Hedo is trying to leave Toronto, because he see's its going down hill, I dont think he wants to be in Cleveland, because you guys look headed in the same direction. IDK about this one guys, your hands look tied in this situation. (No pun intented)

[mcfly1204]

why are you guys worrying about fouling howard, and you couldnt get past the Celtics? one series at a time, stop thinking in the future, think about now, Lebron wont be helping with recruiting, because he will be getting recruited himself, Bosh has 0 desire to play in Cleveland, and he also wants that 6th year max, can you guys even afford it? Also Hedo is trying to leave Toronto, because he see's its going down hill, I dont think he wants to be in Cleveland, because you guys look headed in the same direction. IDK about this one guys, your hands look tied in this situation. (No pun intented)

Cleveland can definitely afford a max (6 year) contract for Bosh if the opportunity for a S&T was presented. Turk will not be moving with Bosh in a S&T, because I highly doubt Toronto is looking to take back that much salary.

[gflem]

Because show&tell spoke directly to Bosh, we now know he has "0 desire to play in Cleveland". Thanks for the update Show. If Lebron re-signs, then Bosh will go to NY by himself? Who has the expirings to S&T Bosh? Let us know, of course after you talk to him again, where he would like to go so we can stop wasting our time talking about his destination. Thanks, in advance.