O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::.

[TheBluest]

My problem with the whole "free masons taking over the world" thing is that I'm not a devout Christian. I take to Buddhist teachings much more closely. Many of the theories about illuminati come from people being misinformed or exaggerating truths...maybe not everything but many things I've seen. It's just not something I can buy into. What about the Muslims, Jewish, Hindus?

I believe that it is a huge misconception about Satanism. I do believe that Satanism isn't the actual belief in the anti-Christ or the devil, but what it STANDS FOR. Meaning, an opposition, an "anti", something to go AGAINST something. A challenger.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Let's say you are right...what would the belief be opposing or against?

[Subway Token]

My problem with the whole "free masons taking over the world" thing is that I'm not a devout Christian. I take to Buddhist teachings much more closely. Many of the theories about illuminati come from people being misinformed or exaggerating truths...maybe not everything but many things I've seen. It's just not something I can buy into. What about the Muslims, Jewish, Hindus?

Good point at the same time we can be so skeptical of everything but to dumb it down....why do we think we are here? I mean really what's a human being's purpose in life? To live... work hard for as much money you can get to sustain your life as long as possible, procreate, and hopefully have as much time to recreate in between and then die? Is this all life has to offer? There is nothing out there more powerful than humans outside of physical laws?

Exactly. What is the purpose of Illuminati though? Why attempt to control the destiny of the world? What do they know that we don't?

OMG!! MAYBE THEY ARE GOLD MINING ALIENS!!!

[fazzk7]

Man the aliens thing is even more ridiculous. Sure there could be aliens - but nothing indicates there were.

[Subway Token]

My problem with the whole "free masons taking over the world" thing is that I'm not a devout Christian. I take to Buddhist teachings much more closely. Many of the theories about illuminati come from people being misinformed or exaggerating truths...maybe not everything but many things I've seen. It's just not something I can buy into. What about the Muslims, Jewish, Hindus?

I believe that it is a huge misconception about Satanism. I do believe that Satanism isn't the actual belief in the anti-Christ or the devil, but what it STANDS FOR. Meaning, an opposition, an "anti", something to go AGAINST something. A challenger.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Let's say you are right...what would the belief be opposing or against?

Well let's break this down. Opposition to something good is something evil right?
So the worship of opposition is the worshop of something evil.
The evil side of Christianity is the anti-Christ, right? That's just the most blatant view I guess.

I'm not sure if I'm correct, but that's how I interpret it..

[j4remi]

My problem with the whole "free masons taking over the world" thing is that I'm not a devout Christian. I take to Buddhist teachings much more closely. Many of the theories about illuminati come from people being misinformed or exaggerating truths...maybe not everything but many things I've seen. It's just not something I can buy into. What about the Muslims, Jewish, Hindus?

I believe that it is a huge misconception about Satanism. I do believe that Satanism isn't the actual belief in the anti-Christ or the devil, but what it STANDS FOR. Meaning, an opposition, an "anti", something to go AGAINST something. A challenger.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Let's say you are right...what would the belief be opposing or against?

Check out the nine satanic statements...it's not "evil" really...it's just an opposing view to Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_ ... Statements

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.

[fazzk7]

I believe that it is a huge misconception about Satanism. I do believe that Satanism isn't the actual belief in the anti-Christ or the devil, but what it STANDS FOR. Meaning, an opposition, an "anti", something to go AGAINST something. A challenger.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]

Let's say you are right...what would the belief be opposing or against?[/quote]

Well let's break this down. Opposition to something good is something evil right?
So the worship of opposition is the worshop of something evil.
The evil side of Christianity is the anti-Christ, right? That's just the most blatant view I guess.

I'm not sure if I'm correct, but that's how I interpret it..[/quote]

What if they are opposing evil? And opposing Christianity..and so they are good?

[TheBluest]

I believe that it is a huge misconception about Satanism. I do believe that Satanism isn't the actual belief in the anti-Christ or the devil, but what it STANDS FOR. Meaning, an opposition, an "anti", something to go AGAINST something. A challenger.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Let's say you are right...what would the belief be opposing or against?

Well let's break this down. Opposition to something good is something evil right?
So the worship of opposition is the worshop of something evil.
The evil side of Christianity is the anti-Christ, right? That's just the most blatant view I guess.

I'm not sure if I'm correct, but that's how I interpret it..

What if they are opposing evil? And opposing Christianity..and so they are good?

Let's say you are right how did the standard to determine GOOD develop? Where would the belief system get it from?

[fazzk7]

Well it is all subjective. There is no absolute good or evil. Only what we determine in our own minds what good and evil are. Right and wrong are subjective ideas. There is a general consensus for many rights and wrongs but its never absolute.

[TheBluest]

Well it is all subjective. There is no absolute good or evil. Only what we determine in our own minds what good and evil are. Right and wrong are subjective ideas. There is a general consensus for many rights and wrongs but its never absolute.

So why is it we teach our kids what's good or bad? Why don't we allow them to figure it out for themselves? This is essentially what you're saying. The standard of good and bad came from somewhere and can't be denied. How did the moral compass become a part of our DNA? Was this by evolution too?

[Subway Token]

Well there are many types of Satanism. What I'm saying is the "mainstream" Satanism is the Theistic Satanism, which is the worship of Lucifer (Luciferianism).

There is also Atheistic Satanism. This is basically just a way of life. They don't worship Satan in the "godly" sense, but they worship what he stands for, which is the opposition of all 'good' (which is now interpreted to be Christianity and Jesus Christ).

[fazzk7]

Well it is all subjective. There is no absolute good or evil. Only what we determine in our own minds what good and evil are. Right and wrong are subjective ideas. There is a general consensus for many rights and wrongs but its never absolute.

So why is it we teach our kids what's good or bad? Why don't we allow them to figure it out for themselves. This is essentially what you're saying. The standard of good and bad came from somewhere and can't be denied. How did the moral compass become a part of our DNA? Was this by evolution too?

We do teach our kids what is good and bad - but what we teach is subjective. Good/Right for one person may be bad/wrong for another. Some ideas like let's say murdering a baby are fairly universally wrong but others not so much. Allowing them to figure it out for themselves is what some people do also.

Evolution can lead to altruistic behaviors of course, but we may choose to tie them into our morals or not.

[j4remi]

I believe that it is a huge misconception about Satanism. I do believe that Satanism isn't the actual belief in the anti-Christ or the devil, but what it STANDS FOR. Meaning, an opposition, an "anti", something to go AGAINST something. A challenger.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Let's say you are right...what would the belief be opposing or against?

Well let's break this down. Opposition to something good is something evil right?
So the worship of opposition is the worshop of something evil.
The evil side of Christianity is the anti-Christ, right? That's just the most blatant view I guess.

I'm not sure if I'm correct, but that's how I interpret it..

What if they are opposing evil? And opposing Christianity..and so they are good?

Let's say you are right how did the standard to determine GOOD develop? Where would the belief system get it from?

And now you've asked the best question you can...who's to say what's right or wrong? What's true and false? In the end we decide for ourselves and like I said, if you really look at what the Church of Satan is about...it's not evil...it's not world domination...it's just a different set of guidelines. I think their main thing is that knowledge is good, but I'm not well schooled on it...just from reading their basic foundation stuff, I'd think they are grateful to Satan for the tree of knowledge...but this is all very assumptive.

I'm not saying they're right or wrong...or Christianity is right or wrong...just that it's wrong to assume one is evil and one is good.

Anyway, for you conspiracy theorists out there...check this out. It starts off by breaking down Christianity (I mentioned this earlier), but moves on to the NWO by economic control by it's conclusion. I'm interested to see what you guys think.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiuaGJ46zo[/youtube]

[Subway Token]

I think the way that good/bad was implemented into our DNA through empathy. If you take someone who was JUST born, lock him into a room until the age of 20, then suddenly show a clip a baby being murdered, would he cry? Good/evil is fed to us through outside influences it seems.

[TheBluest]

Well it is all subjective. There is no absolute good or evil. Only what we determine in our own minds what good and evil are. Right and wrong are subjective ideas. There is a general consensus for many rights and wrongs but its never absolute.

So why is it we teach our kids what's good or bad? Why don't we allow them to figure it out for themselves. This is essentially what you're saying. The standard of good and bad came from somewhere and can't be denied. How did the moral compass become a part of our DNA? Was this by evolution too?

We do teach our kids what is good and bad - but what we teach is subjective. Good/Right for one person may be bad/wrong for another. Some ideas like let's say murdering a baby are fairly universally wrong but others not so much. Allowing them to figure it out for themselves is what some people do also.

Evolution can lead to altruistic behaviors of course, but we may choose to tie them into our morals or not.

So smoking cigarettes right out of the womb like the year and half old baby is subjective????

LOL

So having sex before your body is physical capable of child bearing is subjective????

LOL


There are certain things on a moral level that aren't subjective because if not then there would be a devaluing of life if there is no rhyme or reason to standards.

The biggest problems we all have is sacrificing our physical freedoms and conforming to moral laws or principles. Like it's not cool if another man tells us morally what to do forget if there has been a spiritual designation for such individuals to do so because they are subject to the same vices.....yet how many men tell a person what to do on a governmental level that in some respects takes away greater freedoms and they conform? Like is the Constitution Infallible?

[ITGM]

It's like the sun. You wanna look at it, but when you do, it hurts. This stuff is so interesting and fascinating... but so scary.

Powerful statement wether you know it or not.

Mind explaining?

It's like the sun.

Horus/Heru the Sun God of Kemet/Egypt. Worshiped and adored by many occults and viewed as a symbol of "illumination". And to those who are truly embedded within the heartbeat of the occult, he is Satan.

You wanna look at it

Many have been tricked and deceived on their quest for "illumination" and enlightenment.

but when you do, it hurts.

Being tricked by the deceiver and serving him can lead you to an eternity of damnation

[Subway Token]

Thanks for the mind-rape. I actually took that quote from a movie about someone who stared at a pair of boobs for too long and got caught, so his friend said "it's like the sun, just take a glance and look away. don't stare"

Something like that.. Lol

[j4remi]

I think the way that good/bad was implemented into our DNA through empathy. If you take someone who was JUST born, lock him into a room until the age of 20, then suddenly show a clip a baby being murdered, would he cry? Good/evil is fed to us through outside influences it seems.

Just look at sociopaths and the common traits they have in upbringing and you can certainly make an argument that there is nothing in our DNA that creates a moral compass. A newborn baby really only knows it's needs. It cries when it's not getting what it wants and smiles when it gets what it wants...but there's no clear sign that they have any morals. Morals could easily be something we develop by watching and learning, just like language.

[fazzk7]

So smoking cigarettes right out of the womb like the year and half old baby is subjective????

LOL

So having sex before your body is physical capable of child bearing is subjective????

LOL


There are certain things on a moral level that aren't subjective because if not then there would be a devaluing of life if there is no rhyme or reason to standards.

The biggest problems we all have is sacrificing our physical freedoms and conforming to moral laws or principles. Like it's not cool if another man tells us morally what to do forget if there has been a spiritual designation for such individuals to do so because they are subject to the same vices.....yet how many men tell a person what to do on a governmental level that in some respects takes away greater freedoms and they conform? Like is the Constitution Infallible?[/quote]

Yes, those are subjective. They all are. Any "moral" decision is our own opinion. We cannot declare with absolute power that any one thing is morally bad or good.

[Subway Token]

I think the way that good/bad was implemented into our DNA through empathy. If you take someone who was JUST born, lock him into a room until the age of 20, then suddenly show a clip a baby being murdered, would he cry? Good/evil is fed to us through outside influences it seems.

Just look at sociopaths and the common traits they have in upbringing and you can certainly make an argument that there is nothing in our DNA that creates a moral compass. A newborn baby really only knows it's needs. It cries when it's not getting what it wants and smiles when it gets what it wants...but there's no clear sign that they have any morals. Morals could easily be something we develop by watching and learning, just like language.

I'm not talking about morals. I'm talking about empathy. Are you born with it?

[j4remi]

I think the way that good/bad was implemented into our DNA through empathy. If you take someone who was JUST born, lock him into a room until the age of 20, then suddenly show a clip a baby being murdered, would he cry? Good/evil is fed to us through outside influences it seems.

Just look at sociopaths and the common traits they have in upbringing and you can certainly make an argument that there is nothing in our DNA that creates a moral compass. A newborn baby really only knows it's needs. It cries when it's not getting what it wants and smiles when it gets what it wants...but there's no clear sign that they have any morals. Morals could easily be something we develop by watching and learning, just like language.

I'm not talking about morals. I'm talking about empathy. Are you born with it?

Can we feel for others? Idk...but I have nieces and nephews of all ages and they really don't have empathy figured out fully until they've matured...so it seems to me like it is developed.