O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::.

[j4remi]

It's like the sun.

Horus/Heru the Sun God of Kemet/Egypt. Worshiped and adored by many occults and viewed as a symbol of "illumination". And to those who are truly embedded within the heartbeat of the occult, he is Satan.

You wanna look at it

Many have been tricked and deceived on their quest for "illumination" and enlightenment.

but when you do, it hurts.

Being tricked by the deceiver and serving him can lead you to an eternity of damnation

Check out my Zeitgeist link...It makes a pretty strong case that Christianity is just an evolved form of Sun worship itself.

Edit: The Sun details start around 3 or 4 minutes in. 8 minutes in the traits of Solar deities are described. 10 minutes begins Jesus description and explains how Christianity is sun worship.

[TheBluest]

So smoking cigarettes right out of the womb like the year and half old baby is subjective????

LOL

So having sex before your body is physical capable of child bearing is subjective????

LOL


There are certain things on a moral level that aren't subjective because if not then there would be a devaluing of life if there is no rhyme or reason to standards.

The biggest problems we all have is sacrificing our physical freedoms and conforming to moral laws or principles. Like it's not cool if another man tells us morally what to do forget if there has been a spiritual designation for such individuals to do so because they are subject to the same vices.....yet how many men tell a person what to do on a governmental level that in some respects takes away greater freedoms and they conform? Like is the Constitution Infallible?

Yes, those are subjective. They all are. Any "moral" decision is our own opinion. We cannot declare with absolute power that any one thing is morally bad or good.[/quote]

Ok so if you want to physically destroy your body by doing drugs that's ok because it was your choice to do so?

Get real

So if I want to sacrifice my kid because someone told me there's a good chance of Lebron coming to New York if I make a great sacrifice....it's subjective?

Let's say you're right.....

Why does the body grow old and die due to a breakdown in cells? Why do we catch diseases? Why can't man create a cell from nothing? Or make one evolve from nothing?

[fazzk7]

So smoking cigarettes right out of the womb like the year and half old baby is subjective????

LOL

So having sex before your body is physical capable of child bearing is subjective????

LOL


There are certain things on a moral level that aren't subjective because if not then there would be a devaluing of life if there is no rhyme or reason to standards.

The biggest problems we all have is sacrificing our physical freedoms and conforming to moral laws or principles. Like it's not cool if another man tells us morally what to do forget if there has been a spiritual designation for such individuals to do so because they are subject to the same vices.....yet how many men tell a person what to do on a governmental level that in some respects takes away greater freedoms and they conform? Like is the Constitution Infallible?

Yes, those are subjective. They all are. Any "moral" decision is our own opinion. We cannot declare with absolute power that any one thing is morally bad or good.

Ok so if you want to physically destroy your body by doing drugs that's ok because it was your choice to do so?

Get real

So if I want to sacrifice my kid because someone told me there's a good chance of Lebron coming to New York if I make a great sacrifice....it's subjective?

Let's say you're right.....

Why does the body grow old and die due to a breakdown in cells? Why do we catch diseases? Why can't man create a cell from nothing? Or make one evolve from nothing?[/quote]

Yes, it is subjective. You are bringing up extreme examples that are easy to find a consensus on like I already said in my first post. Some ideas are easy to find a consensus but some aren't. Either way it is subjective.

And what does the body growing old idea have to do with the morals?

[be reasonable]

Who is the Prince of Persia and who is the Prince of Greece?

What was battling with both Princes?

Who's aid did the one who was battling come to?

Who is Micheal the Chief Princes?



1. the prince of persia is the guardian angel of the persians who according to his office was seeking the spiritual good of the persian people, was desirous to have the jews stay among them. the prince of the greeks can either be interpreted as their guardian angel or alexander who would later go on to route the persians.

2. the prince of persia.

3. the guardian angel of daniel

4. Micheal the arch angel guadian of the church as he was once of the synagauge

Pretty good breakdown. 2 and 3 should be the same answer except the way I asked it may have caused a little confusion.

Basically you had a angel of rank being sent from above to comfort Daniel about the state of the Jews and how God felt about his yrs of service and life he lived towards him. Daniel was up in age during this passage in the bible. He wanted reassurance the Jews would be able to be released from Babylonian captivity and once again have a chance at establishing worship as a chosen people. Along the way though this angel was held up by the Prince of Persia(you state a guardian angel of Persia) I say more so a fallen Angel who is involved with earthly affairs. We can reason it wasn't a man because no way say someone like Cyrus(fleshly man) has the power to detain a heavenly creature for 21 days when in 2 Kings as I linked a few post back..... states an Angel of rank from above has at a minimum the power to kill----->(did kill) 185,000(men) Assyrians in 1 night without any resistance. We also know it had to be a Spirit body because how would he be able to discern Greece's rise to power yrs in advance when the Babylonians were still ruling? I believe it was Darius who allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple

But is it not interesting to note at least back then Angels were meddling in who controlled World Power. Or let's say they had strong vested interest in them? Ironically in Mat 4 The Kingdoms Of The World were offered up to Christ for an act of worship. Someone offered up the Kingdoms but how can this be if they weren't his to offer? And not once was it refuted that he didn't have them in his possession, although the offer was rejected.

going back to daniel X 10 the angel is Gabriel who was comforting daniel and wrestling with the prince of persia. I missed that as I only looked at 13 - 21.

yes it can also be interperted as a bad angel also because how can a good angel oppose the will of God. the interpertation of that verse is not unanimous among the ancient biblical scholars and it is split between these two opions.

the angels still play an active role in the governence of man but now that salvation is extended to all and christ had fulfilled his mission they are no longer as active in the physical sense as we read in the old testament.

lucifer was a liar from the begining he knew the kingdoms were not his to disperse but it still did not deter him from offering it up as if they where his.( satan is considered prince of the world in the sense that all are born in sin and under his domain but he has no control except for what God allows him to interfere in human events)

[TheBluest]

It's like the sun.

Horus/Heru the Sun God of Kemet/Egypt. Worshiped and adored by many occults and viewed as a symbol of "illumination". And to those who are truly embedded within the heartbeat of the occult, he is Satan.

You wanna look at it

Many have been tricked and deceived on their quest for "illumination" and enlightenment.

but when you do, it hurts.

Being tricked by the deceiver and serving him can lead you to an eternity of damnation

Check out my Zeitgeist link...It makes a pretty strong case that Christianity is just an evolved form of Sun worship itself.

Edit: The Sun details start around 3 or 4 minutes in. 8 minutes in the traits of Solar deities are described. 10 minutes begins Jesus description and explains how Christianity is sun worship.

A lot of things are accredited to Sun Worship included Holidays we celebrate. Not sure the accuracy of Sun Worship in establishing the First Century Congregations/Worship

[j4remi]

So smoking cigarettes right out of the womb like the year and half old baby is subjective????

LOL

So having sex before your body is physical capable of child bearing is subjective????

LOL


There are certain things on a moral level that aren't subjective because if not then there would be a devaluing of life if there is no rhyme or reason to standards.

The biggest problems we all have is sacrificing our physical freedoms and conforming to moral laws or principles. Like it's not cool if another man tells us morally what to do forget if there has been a spiritual designation for such individuals to do so because they are subject to the same vices.....yet how many men tell a person what to do on a governmental level that in some respects takes away greater freedoms and they conform? Like is the Constitution Infallible?

Yes, those are subjective. They all are. Any "moral" decision is our own opinion. We cannot declare with absolute power that any one thing is morally bad or good.

Ok so if you want to physically destroy your body by doing drugs that's ok because it was your choice to do so?

Get real

So if I want to sacrifice my kid because someone told me there's a good chance of Lebron coming to New York if I make a great sacrifice....it's subjective?

Let's say you're right.....

Why does the body grow old and die due to a breakdown in cells? Why do we catch diseases? Why can't man create a cell from nothing? Or make one evolve from nothing?[/quote]

I realize it sounds twisted and terrible...but he's absolutely right. No matter how obvious a moral choice is, it is absolutely subjective. Just look at people with APD, their moral compass is completely off.

[j4remi]

A lot of things are accredited to Sun Worship included Holidays we celebrate. Not sure the accuracy of Sun Worship in establishing the First Century Congregations/Worship

Just watch the video. The meat and bones is about from 10 mins to 25 mins...mindblowing stuff to me, I'm interested in how others view that bit of it.

[richardhutnik]

Check out my Zeitgeist link...It makes a pretty strong case that Christianity is just an evolved form of Sun worship itself.

Edit: The Sun details start around 3 or 4 minutes in. 8 minutes in the traits of Solar deities are described. 10 minutes begins Jesus description and explains how Christianity is sun worship.

A lot of things are accredited to Sun Worship included Holidays we celebrate. Not sure the accuracy of Sun Worship in establishing the First Century Congregations/Worship

For those who happen to want to believe in conspiracy theories, and feel a need to get into alternate explanations to why things are the way they are, to placate their doubts, Zeitgeist is a place these people go. Such individuals like to end up thinking a movie like Zeitgeist is strong in its information, when you find few, if any reputable historians that will subscribe to it. You know a film is going into trouble when it ends up trying to say Jesus is a fraud AND also 9/11 was a hoax. Too many parts in that film to hold it together. But hey, it is nice for someone to go suck that up, with actually doing any real research. See, when you think you found THE secret to everything, you no longer need to research.

As far as Christian congregations and what they did, you began to see elements of pagan worship get involved in the Christian Church when Constantine became a benefactor of Christianity. At that point in time, the pagan symbols were adopted by the political structure, and used to benefit Christianity. The shift to Sunday as the day of worship was one, as it was done to accomodate the Christian faith to the culture around it.

Hey, you want to believe Zeitgeist? Go ahead. Make sure you throw Alex Jones in there to. You can have real fun saying that both of them are on target, as you have a little Alex Jones go off in your head against the Zeitgeist stuff. Aww, Alex, why do you disagree? Don't know now that fighting the New World Order is more important than the faith you have in Jesus Christ?

What does it say about Zeitgeist when even Alex Jones goes off against it, and calls it wrong?

- Rich

[Subway Token]

We aren't really talking about the belief in this stuff. At least, I'm not. I'm just talking about the possibility. It's mind-blowingly interesting.

[j4remi]

For those who happen to want to believe in conspiracy theories, and feel a need to get into alternate explanations to why things are the way they are, to placate their doubts, Zeitgeist is a place these people go. Such individuals like to end up thinking a movie like Zeitgeist is strong in its information, when you find few, if any reputable historians that will subscribe to it. You know a film is going into trouble when it ends up trying to say Jesus is a fraud AND also 9/11 was a hoax. Too many parts in that film to hold it together. But hey, it is nice for someone to go suck that up, with actually doing any real research. See, when you think you found THE secret to everything, you no longer need to research.

As far as Christian congregations and what they did, you began to see elements of pagan worship get involved in the Christian Church when Constantine became a benefactor of Christianity. At that point in time, the pagan symbols were adopted by the political structure, and used to benefit Christianity. The shift to Sunday as the day of worship was one, as it was done to accomodate the Christian faith to the culture around it.

Hey, you want to believe Zeitgeist? Go ahead. Make sure you throw Alex Jones in there to. You can have real fun saying that both of them are on target, as you have a little Alex Jones go off in your head against the Zeitgeist stuff. Aww, Alex, why do you disagree? Don't know now that fighting the New World Order is more important than the faith you have in Jesus Christ?

What does it say about Zeitgeist when even Alex Jones goes off against it, and calls it wrong?

- Rich

I don't care about the whole thing...but I am interested in the entire opening about Jesus. It doesn't call Jesus a fraud btw, it just points out all of the stories and how they fit in with many other religious figures and gives a pretty clear definition of solar worship. Like I said, I lean toward Buddhism as a religion, so I don't take this as an insult or freak out about it...but I do take interest in how others choose to look at it.

[TheBluest]

Who is the Prince of Persia and who is the Prince of Greece?

What was battling with both Princes?

Who's aid did the one who was battling come to?

Who is Micheal the Chief Princes?



1. the prince of persia is the guardian angel of the persians who according to his office was seeking the spiritual good of the persian people, was desirous to have the jews stay among them. the prince of the greeks can either be interpreted as their guardian angel or alexander who would later go on to route the persians.

2. the prince of persia.

3. the guardian angel of daniel

4. Micheal the arch angel guadian of the church as he was once of the synagauge

Pretty good breakdown. 2 and 3 should be the same answer except the way I asked it may have caused a little confusion.

Basically you had a angel of rank being sent from above to comfort Daniel about the state of the Jews and how God felt about his yrs of service and life he lived towards him. Daniel was up in age during this passage in the bible. He wanted reassurance the Jews would be able to be released from Babylonian captivity and once again have a chance at establishing worship as a chosen people. Along the way though this angel was held up by the Prince of Persia(you state a guardian angel of Persia) I say more so a fallen Angel who is involved with earthly affairs. We can reason it wasn't a man because no way say someone like Cyrus(fleshly man) has the power to detain a heavenly creature for 21 days when in 2 Kings as I linked a few post back..... states an Angel of rank from above has at a minimum the power to kill----->(did kill) 185,000(men) Assyrians in 1 night without any resistance. We also know it had to be a Spirit body because how would he be able to discern Greece's rise to power yrs in advance when the Babylonians were still ruling? I believe it was Darius who allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple

But is it not interesting to note at least back then Angels were meddling in who controlled World Power. Or let's say they had strong vested interest in them? Ironically in Mat 4 The Kingdoms Of The World were offered up to Christ for an act of worship. Someone offered up the Kingdoms but how can this be if they weren't his to offer? And not once was it refuted that he didn't have them in his possession, although the offer was rejected.

going back to daniel X 10 the angel is Gabriel who was comforting daniel and wrestling with the prince of persia. I missed that as I only looked at 13 - 21.

yes it can also be interperted as a bad angel also because how can a good angel oppose the will of God. the interpertation of that verse is not unanimous among the ancient biblical scholars and it is split between these two opions.

the angels still play an active role in the governence of man but now that salvation is extended to all and christ had fulfilled his mission they are no longer as active in the physical sense as we read in the old testament.

lucifer was a liar from the begining he knew the kingdoms were not his to disperse but it still did not deter him from offering it up as if they where his.( satan is considered prince of the world in the sense that all are born in sin and under his domain but he has no control except for what God allows him to interfere in human events)

You are correct Romans 13 mentions the authorities are placed in relative positions by the heavenly ruler meaning what he allows

but

Rev 12:9 states the Serpent had been hurled down and deceiving the whole earth along with a 1/3rd of the heavenly realm with him. While it mentions they are restricted in some respects they definitely aren't spoken of as just kicking it without malice because

Rev 12:12 went to state "Woe For The Earth because they have now been cast down having great fury because their time has been cut short"

Not to mention all the references of being described as a Dragon in the same book

Job chap 1 and 2 basically gives us an idea how he operates. He's also spoken of as a Beast on the prowl to devour in 1 John.... this doesn't like a spirit who lies dormant casually with little lack of interest on what's going on and exercising no power.

[TheBluest]

A lot of things are accredited to Sun Worship included Holidays we celebrate. Not sure the accuracy of Sun Worship in establishing the First Century Congregations/Worship

Just watch the video. The meat and bones is about from 10 mins to 25 mins...mindblowing stuff to me, I'm interested in how others view that bit of it.

I watched it and it's interesting it shed light on what I stated. 2 Holidays in particular derive from Sun Worship Christmas and Easter....

What I found interesting is that it used scriptural references and paralleled them with astrology. Whoever did this piece must have ignored numerous passages in the biblical text that denounces the practice of astrology. Matter of fact Astrology played a major role in the Bible and Jesus birth and let's just say the role it played wasn't a good one.

[be reasonable]

yes but if you remember in Job he had to get permission first from God before he could chastise Job. God allows satan to have dominion over those who do not heed God's word and live accordingly to what god commands of us ( which is basicly the whole world as it stands at this point in human history) your right they don't sit around, they work endlessly day and night tempting man to break the commands of God so they may have dominion over them and try to dam them to hell.

[j4remi]

A lot of things are accredited to Sun Worship included Holidays we celebrate. Not sure the accuracy of Sun Worship in establishing the First Century Congregations/Worship

Just watch the video. The meat and bones is about from 10 mins to 25 mins...mindblowing stuff to me, I'm interested in how others view that bit of it.

I watched it and it's interesting it shed light on what I stated. 2 Holidays in particular derive from Sun Worship Christmas and Easter....

What I found interesting is that it used scriptural references and paralleled them with astrology. Whoever did this piece must have ignored numerous passages in the biblical text that denounces the practice of astrology. Matter of fact Astrology played a major role in the Bible and Jesus birth and let's just say the role it played wasn't a good one.

Yeah, I found that strange too...but the whole Horus comparison was pretty crazy. I'd known about the great flood being common, but not about how much of Christianity derived from Egyptian beliefs. I've been trying to get a translation of the book of the dead but I'm not sure it's something that could translate easily.

[be reasonable]

My problem with the whole "free masons taking over the world" thing is that I'm not a devout Christian. I take to Buddhist teachings much more closely. Many of the theories about illuminati come from people being misinformed or exaggerating truths...maybe not everything but many things I've seen. It's just not something I can buy into. What about the Muslims, Jewish, Hindus?

Anyway:

I believe that it is a huge misconception about Satanism. I do believe that Satanism isn't the actual belief in the anti-Christ or the devil, but what it STANDS FOR. Meaning, an opposition, an "anti", something to go AGAINST something. A challenger.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The bible, I can't remember where at exactly gives the meaning of who or what the antichrist is. It states that the antichrist is he who dissolves Jesus into man. Basicly the interpertation of it is anyone who says that, Jesus was just a man and not the true son of God beggoten by God the father from all eternity, of the same substance and equal to God the father in all ways. That person is an antichrist, it's more of a system of thought than an actual adversity that comes forth to challenge God in the end times which is commonly held for belief today.

Their are different forms of satanism, the most common one being people that actualy worship the prince of darkness and perform the satanic mass, they have been known on occasion to commit ritualized murder or the raping of young boys and girls in sacrifice to satan as part of their rituals.

the other kind is is those that perform some rituals in honor of him for things like winning the lottery or for women but they don't actualy believe in any force out there called satan but see him more as a way to live life free and without restrictions of religon or any type of moral system.

[gavran]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiuaGJ46zo[/youtube]

Just started watching it, and big props to the makers for starting with the everlasting words from George Carlin, but they said a lot af BS in the beginning about the Egyptian god Horus, almost none of that was true. I'll comment later on the whole video, after I watched it.

Things that they were wrong about:
Ra was the Sun god in Egypt, and not Horus
Horus' mom, Isis wasn't a virgin.
Horus wasn't crucified, didn't die and resurrect, and he wasn't betrayed.
Sirius can't be the star of East, since it's on the southern sky in December, same with the 3 stars of the Orion belt.
They also cannot follow the Sun, since they are already under the horizon when the Sun rises.
The southern cross can't be seen in december, since it's under the horizon.
(you can easily check these astronomical things with a software like Stellarium as I did, if you want to see it with your eyes)

And after George Carlin they used Bill Hicks' material, by far my two favourite comedians. So far, so good.
Final EDIT: I wanted to post Bill Hicks' It's a ride piece, but this video ended with it, which was great. Anyway, I'll still post it, because wiser words are hard to find:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0[/youtube]

[duetta]

What I found interesting is that it used scriptural references and paralleled them with astrology. Whoever did this piece must have ignored numerous passages in the biblical text that denounces the practice of astrology. Matter of fact Astrology played a major role in the Bible and Jesus birth and let's just say the role it played wasn't a good one.

I'd wager that you know as much about astrology as you know about the Bible. Here's a new book that you might consider...

In his groundbreaking New York Times bestseller, Misquoting Jesus, Bart Ehrman, one of the world's leading authorities on the Bible, dispelled the notion held by millions of Americans that the Bible is an infallible document. His argument was so provocative that it spawned three major response books.

Now, in JESUS, INTERRUPTED: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't Know About Them), Ehrman goes even further, revealing not only that the Bible is riddled with inconsistencies and outright forgeries, but that many fundamental stories and doctrines don't actually exist within its pages--they were later inventions by people trying to make sense of a disconnected collection of texts. The Scriptures did not come down to us through the ages in one, harmonious, unbroken version. The story of Jesus was, in fact, interrupted.

Based on years of scholarship, and just in time for Easter, Ehrman's most important work-to-date reveals, among its many findings:

* Only 8 of the 27 books of the New Testament were actually written by the authors to whom they're attributed. Others are likely forgeries.
* The gospels provide remarkably divergent portrayals of Jesus.
* The message of the Apostle Paul and the message of gospel writer Matthew are completely at odds over the question of whether a follower of Jesus also had to observe the Jewish law.
* The Nicene Creed and the Trinity were constructs of the later church and are not found in the pages of the Bible.
* Traditional doctrines such as the suffering Messiah, the divinity of Christ, and the notion of heaven and hell are not based on the teachings of the historical Jesus.
* The commonly told story of Jesus -- his birth, death, and resurrection is actually a composite of four vastly different gospel narratives.

Sure to change the conversation about the Bible, Ehrman's JESUS, INTERRUPTED once again takes the dusty texts of the ages and illuminates their teachings, making them accessible to a popular audience who will never be able to look at the Bible the same way again.

http://www.bartdehrman.com/

[duetta]

Here's a link to an online version of a book that changed a lot of people's views about the alleged 'wisdom' of the Bible. The author is Thomas Paine. Read it if you dare...

The Age of Reason, Part 1
IT has been my intention, for several years past, to publish my thoughts upon religion; I am well aware of the difficulties that attend the subject, and from that consideration, had reserved it to a more advanced period of life. I intended it to be the last offering I should make to my fellow-citizens of all nations, and that at a time when the purity of the motive that induced me to it could not admit of a question, even by those who might disapprove the work.

The circumstance that has now taken place in France, of the total abolition of the whole national order of priesthood, and of everything appertaining to compulsive systems of religion, and compulsive articles of faith, has not only precipitated my intention, but rendered a work of this kind exceedingly necessary, lest, in the general wreck of superstition, of false systems of government, and false theology, we lose sight of morality, of humanity, and of the theology that is true.

As several of my colleagues, and others of my fellow-citizens of France, have given me the example of making their voluntary and individual profession of faith, I also will make mine; and I do this with all that sincerity and frankness with which the mind of man communicates with itself.

I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.

I believe the equality of man, and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.

But, lest it should be supposed that I believe many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

http://www.infidels.org/library/histori ... part1.html

[j4remi]

Here's a link to an online version of a book that changed a lot of people's views about the alleged 'wisdom' of the Bible. The author is Thomas Paine. Read it if you dare...

The Age of Reason, Part 1
IT has been my intention, for several years past, to publish my thoughts upon religion; I am well aware of the difficulties that attend the subject, and from that consideration, had reserved it to a more advanced period of life. I intended it to be the last offering I should make to my fellow-citizens of all nations, and that at a time when the purity of the motive that induced me to it could not admit of a question, even by those who might disapprove the work.

The circumstance that has now taken place in France, of the total abolition of the whole national order of priesthood, and of everything appertaining to compulsive systems of religion, and compulsive articles of faith, has not only precipitated my intention, but rendered a work of this kind exceedingly necessary, lest, in the general wreck of superstition, of false systems of government, and false theology, we lose sight of morality, of humanity, and of the theology that is true.

As several of my colleagues, and others of my fellow-citizens of France, have given me the example of making their voluntary and individual profession of faith, I also will make mine; and I do this with all that sincerity and frankness with which the mind of man communicates with itself.

I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.

I believe the equality of man, and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.

But, lest it should be supposed that I believe many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

http://www.infidels.org/library/histori ... part1.html

wow dude, excellent find! I'll definitely be reading this. Loved this part in particular
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

My own mind is my church, is excellent. I've studied catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism and a handful of others ranging from Eastern philosophies to the religions of our ancestors...collected the principles I felt were most abundant or important...and came up with my own beliefs by adding in modern science and knowledge.Like I said before, Buddhism is easily my favorite, but I don't subscribe to any single institution or any rigid guidelines to finding "God."

[j4remi]

Things that they were wrong about:
Ra was the Sun god in Egypt, and not Horus
Horus' mom, Isis wasn't a virgin.
Horus wasn't crucified, didn't die and resurrect, and he wasn't betrayed.
Sirius can't be the star of East, since it's on the southern sky in December, same with the 3 stars of the Orion belt.
They also cannot follow the Sun, since they are already under the horizon when the Sun rises.
The southern cross can't be seen in december, since it's under the horizon.
(you can easily check these astronomical things with a software like Stellarium as I did, if you want to see it with your eyes)

Many thanks for the breakdown. I was hoping to get a clearer view of the accuracy and innaccuracy of this piece.