SF Giants interested in Melky ?

[Jitpal]

So we trade Abreu and Melky. Our outfield is Matsui Damon Linden. Our rotation is Pettitte Wang Clemens Moose Hughes and Lowry comes out of the pen. And maybe we somehow get Sweeney who isn't an upgrade over Dougie or Phelps at first? I'm not following.

NYKnstill. Here are the details of Mely's contract......2007-08: Near Minimum, 2009 Super Two?, 2010-12: Arb. Eligible, 2013: Free Agent

Guys. Sanchez may have the stuff. But his ERA is over 5 and his WHIP is around 2.00. We already have him in our pen. Kyle Farnsworth

No, you don't deal Abreu AND Melky. You deal Abreu OR Melky AND someone else. Sanchez is not Farnsworth. Sanchez has been in the league for close to one full season. He came up last May. Farnsworth is 30, overpaid and will not improve. Sanchez is 24 and will get better and he can be sent down to Nardi to get his stuff together.

Get back Sanchez and Lowry at the least. Leave Dougie at 1B. I don't know why everyone hates. He is a .250 hitter, he will average it out there. I can think of over a dozen times this year that nearly any other first baseman screws up and allows a run to score or someone advances from first to second on an error. Personally, I'd rather keep Melky and deal Abreu and DeSalvo for Sanchez, Lowry and maybe Linden or someone else. Abreu is most probably gone after this year anyway. -Jitpal

Edit: Matsui doesn't bat 3rd. You slot Cano in 3rd. He is in a slump but he is a .340 hitter. Between Jeter and Arod he will get balls to hit. Plus I forgot to make the point that this year our rotation would be crowded with Moose, Pettitte, Wang, Roger and Hughes but next year is an entirely different animal. Pettitte may or may not be back. Roger won't be back. Then for this year Moose and Pettitte aren't exactly the most durable pitchers right now, Roger is at least a month away and Hughes maybe even more because they baby this kid. So there is a spot for a little while. Worst case scenario, you bring Lowry out of the pen for the 2nd half of the year. -Jitpal

[34Celtic]

The Giants already have a ridiculus payroll. Why would they trade a young arm for Abreu to protect Bonds. Abreu doesn't swing the bat. If anything they hit him in front of Bonds and hope he gets to first, so they can't pitch around Bonds.

Either way the Yankees aren't going to trade Abreu for pitching help because truth is, he is better than any outfield option we have right now. And if the second half of last yr tells us anything is that he can play

[ReggieFULLeffect]

The Giants already have a ridiculus payroll. Why would they trade a young arm for Abreu to protect Bonds. Abreu doesn't swing the bat. If anything they hit him in front of Bonds and hope he gets to first, so they can't pitch around Bonds.

Either way the Yankees aren't going to trade Abreu for pitching help because truth is, he is better than any outfield option we have right now. And if the second half of last yr tells us anything is that he can play

Agreed. Abreu, sans last night's performance, has shown signs of returning to some type of form.

Our 4th OF sitcho could become really crappy if we trade Melky and we have to have someone like Kevin Thompson or Kevin Reese playing constantly due to the fact that Damon is always in need of spells and Matsui is who knows nowadays when it comes to health.

The other way around, we lose Abreu and Melky is starting in right. Aside from his arm, Melky hasn't shown much at all this year. He's been a bonehead on the basepath and his bat hasn't come around. I'd rather take my chances with Abreu, drop him down a few spots in the order, and leave Melky out of the starting lineup and use him the way he should be used, as a 4th OF.

[NYKnSTILL!]

The Giants already have a ridiculus payroll. Why would they trade a young arm for Abreu to protect Bonds. Abreu doesn't swing the bat. If anything they hit him in front of Bonds and hope he gets to first, so they can't pitch around Bonds.

Either way the Yankees aren't going to trade Abreu for pitching help because truth is, he is better than any outfield option we have right now. And if the second half of last yr tells us anything is that he can play

the sad truth is our best defensive OF is Melky Cabrera, he has the arm, the coverage, the speed, he's 22 his upside is still in question , but you forget we're a few or a season away from seeing Jose Tabata, Austin Jackson who is a gold glove caliber OF in our system the only thing that holds him back is his offense. Abreu would provide Bonds protection and what happens to our lineup is Alex slides back to 3rd or stays in 4th , Giambi moves up to 3rd or 4th and we add a SP who can go 6 - 7 IP remember in the NL SP are taken out also because of the PH so if there are RISP left the bullpen could screw w/ his ERA. This is unlikely of a deal but best case scenerio for us.

[34Celtic]

we add a SP who can go 6 - 7 IP remember in the NL SP are taken out also because of the PH so if there are RISP left the bullpen could screw w/ his ERA. This is unlikely of a deal but best case scenerio for us.

Any starter, regardless of league is responsible for men on base. Not really sure what you are saying here. I think pitchers are able to go longer in the NL. The lineups aren't as deep and you are able to manuever around hitters. The giants are going to look for a hitter who will swing the bat to protect Bonds. If they do add Abreu they will put him in front of Bonds. His OBP makes him more valuable in the three spot in that lineup. He would benefit from being the only hitter in that lineup to see pitches to hit. Behind Bonds he would have no protection. Look at what hes doing with ARod behind him. You think hitting 5th in that lineup, with Ray Durham behing him will be benificial???? Bobby won't get anything to hit. He is a guy who needs somebody hitting behind him because of the amount of walks he takes. He is much more valuable on base with good hitters behind him.

[NYKnSTILL!]

I don't see the issue here if it's Abreu

[34Celtic]

I don't see the issue here if it's Abreu

Our outfielders would be Damon, Matsui, and Melky....with no backup in sight... I'm sure SF would love Abreu hitting in front of Bonds. But they would probably want someone a little scarier protecting him

[NYKnSTILL!]

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Our outfielders would be Damon, Matsui, and Melky....with no backup in sight... I'm sure SF would love Abreu hitting in front of Bonds. But they would probably want someone a little scarier protecting him

so in turn we improve in the OF while improving our pitching depth getting younger pitching and giving our prospect OF time. OK. I'd still do it especially seeing how Bobby is dancing salsa in the batters box

[34Celtic]

We don't improve in the outfield. Instead of Melky filling in and giving us solid D and a decent bat off the bench, he is starting. Who is our backup outfielder that fills in for Damon when he's banged up? Our outfield gets drastically worse. Our pitching is already young and deep enough

[Pharmcat]

Lowry will get smashed in the AL East

oh wait, guess that means he'll fit in our rotation just perfectly

[Jitpal]

With some more thought to this I think something like this could and should happen. Let me first set the scene. The NL West is wide open and the only two other teams that are good right now are the Mets and Braves. They have a shot here to win the NL West and go for the world series. Their pitching is all lineup up and Bonds doesn't have that much left in the tank. I think the Giants have to play for this year. So I would present them with something like this:

Abreu, Farnsworth and DeSalvo with the Yankees picking up some salary for Lowry, Sanchez, Linden, and someone in the minor league. I know you will say they need protection for Bonds but Abreu in the lineup will help and will help them reach the world series. They need to build up a little lead here, which this deal will help them. Give them more RBI power and then when it is late june/early july and some teams are out of it like Oakland, Tampa, Baltimore, Chicago, Texas or Seattle they should be able to get a bat to protect Bonds and make a world series run. Farnsworth gives them a fireballer in the pen who just didn't handle NY well. He has experience so he knows what is at stake. I think the deal would help them and I think it will help us. -Jitpal

[34Celtic]

You guys are still missing the point...
Matsui
Damon
Melky
Linden

Is not gonna work

[NYKnSTILL!]

You guys are still missing the point...
Matsui
Damon
Melky
Linden

Is not gonna work

dude check Linden's numbers in the minors he is better than what he has shown and is a superb corner outfielder to boot, he would be a perfect 4 OF option and a decent bat off the bench , and w/ Kevin Long being the hitting instructor why the hell not.

[Jitpal]

You guys are still missing the point...
Matsui
Damon
Melky
Linden

Is not gonna work

I totally see what you are saying. I think of it like this, pitching and defense wins world series. We don't need a top notch player at every position. Beyond what Abreu did in the first week or two we can get with Melky at what he did most of the year last year. Linden can fill in nicely for the defensive replacement. Or if I was in charge and being as trigger happy as I am, I would do that deal with Oakland in a month or so that I've been talking about. Getting Kotsay and one of their three big arms. Kotsay in right, Melky the 4th outfielder, Linden DFA or dealt to Oakland in the Kotsay deal. Additional arm for next year and one in our pen this year. Just putting it out there. -Jitpal

[NYKnSTILL!]

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I totally see what you are saying. I think of it like this, pitching and defense wins world series. We don't need a top notch player at every position. Beyond what Abreu did in the first week or two we can get with Melky at what he did most of the year last year. Linden can fill in nicely for the defensive replacement. Or if I was in charge and being as trigger happy as I am, I would do that deal with Oakland in a month or so that I've been talking about. Getting Kotsay and one of their three big arms. Kotsay in right, Melky the 4th outfielder, Linden DFA or dealt to Oakland in the Kotsay deal. Additional arm for next year and one in our pen this year. Just putting it out there. -Jitpal

[ReggieFULLeffect]

Lowry will get smashed in the AL East

oh wait, guess that means he'll fit in our rotation just perfectly

As it only can be said by you Kandi Man.

[Pharmcat]

Lowry will get smashed in the AL East

oh wait, guess that means he'll fit in our rotation just perfectly

As it only can be said by you Kandi Man.

it was a joke

i laughed

[34Celtic]

i still dont see the point of trading a quality veteran bat for an unproven starter. When we have plenty of young arms in our own system and clemens and hughes coming back. We are not going to get with Melky what we will get with Abreu. Especially not at this point in their careers

[Jitpal]

i still dont see the point of trading a quality veteran bat for an unproven starter. When we have plenty of young arms in our own system and clemens and hughes coming back. We are not going to get with Melky what we will get with Abreu. Especially not at this point in their careers

Thing is we are trading a quality veteran that we have for the rest of the year for a young lefty starter that we can have for a few years. I wouldn't call him unproven, he has been pitching for 3+ years in the majors and has been getting wins and outs. If you want to say he is unproven in the AL then you might have something but I would imagine that he is better right now than Rasner, DeSalvo and Karstens. So right now until the Rocket gets here he will be our 4 for about 3-4 weeks. Then our number 5 in the month between the time the rocket gets here and Hughes gets back from injury. I don't know about you but I don't have much faith in Moose and Pettitte staying healthy for the rest of the year. You put Lowry in there for either one of them when they need that start or two off. Guys like Clippard, DeSalvo, Wright and some of the other guys are more unproven than Lowry. Plus the other thing is, we don't have any young lefties knocking on the door other than Wright. We have seen that he needs more time. What happens next year, when we don't have a lefty in the starting rotation unless Wright flat out dominates for a year or Pettitte decides not to retire and uses that option.

Then we talk about the lineup having issues with Abreu out of there. We didn't have Matsui, Sheffield and Abreu most of the year last year and Arod had an off year by his standards and we still lead the league in runs scored. Losing Abreu won't change that. Put Cano in the 3-hole. He has been working on taking more pitches this year compared to previous years and is a .330+ hitter. Add to that, he is going to get pitches to hit. Damon and Jeter getting on with Arod and Giambi behind him. I doubt there would be a significant difference in terms of OBP with Cano in that 3 spot over Abreu. Cano's OBP last year was .365 and Abreu was .419. I'd imagine that Cano's taking more pitches this year, his average will go back up so I don't think it would be too far-fetched to say Cano would have a .380 OBP this year batting in the 3 hole. Throw Melky into that 9th spot and have him get on in front of Damon and Jeter. Those guys up there would wreak havoc on the bases in front of Cano and Arod. I don't think we would lose much, if anything this year and the future just looks that much brighter. See look at replacing Abreu this way. Cano can replace most of what Abreu can do this year on the offense in the lineup and Melky can exceed what Abreu does in the field. -Jitpal

[34Celtic]

You're arguing that we didn't have Matsui or Sheff last year. We succeeded because we had Abreu, Melky and Bernie. Our bullpen was also a lot better.

A better trade idea would be something like Abreu and $$$$ for Scott Linebrink....we dont need another starter.
Pettitte
Clemens
Moose
Wang
Hughes
Karstens----he proved at the end of last yr and so far this year that he is capable. We have money invested in Igawa and hope our staff can turn him around.
We also have Desalvo who looks legit.

If were gonna downgrade our outfield, we need to get someone who can help us. Not a 2 month fill in