Thorn turned down Dooling for Beasley??

[demens]

The big E is back! and delivers two knockout punches.

Demens you are starting to lose me.
Some of your posts seem childish and the broken english you type means you are a teenager or a foreigner were english is the second language. But that is niether here nor there with me. I try and read every post with an open mind. But your take on Beasley is no good. Trust me if it took the big E to respond to your post then your in trouble. But your entitled to your opinion.

Is my English really that bad?

[Preludepunk27]

http://netsarescorching.com/2010/06/03/the-nets-didnt-trade-dooling-for-beasley-thats-smart/

Check out this great post on Netsarescorching.

Now, I discount some of it because in instances, there is more data for Beasley, but just going off the numbers, Yi is a better player on BOTH offense and defense. I'm honestly shocked by it. Granted I'm not high on Beasley and most people from a few years ago know I remain a Yi supporter (on the team in some capacity, I'd lightened up on the "potential star" part).

It's just interesting to think about though.

[vincecarter4pres]

The big E is back! and delivers two knockout punches.

Demens you are starting to lose me.
Some of your posts seem childish and the broken english you type means you are a teenager or a foreigner were english is the second language. But that is niether here nor there with me. I try and read every post with an open mind. But your take on Beasley is no good. Trust me if it took the big E to respond to your post then your in trouble. But your entitled to your opinion.

Is my English really that bad?

I never thought so.

[vincecarter4pres]

Anywho.. How many of you guy's were high as a kite on beasley before he was drafted??
Come on now don't make me research the old topics cos I will find them!!

So I will give you people one chance to be honest. (I'm starting with you prelude then vc your next)

I was pretty high on Beasley, no doubt about it.
I soured on him to the extent I would have gone Rose 1, with Beasley 2, after his measurements came out and he was obviously undersized for the four, but I wouldn't call thinking he would was fully worthy of the number 2 as truly souring...

I was also very low on Brook. I thought he was too mechanical and unathletic and didn't appreciate his low FG% for a center, supposed lack of defense, I questioned his desire to pass the ball and thought he would be a relatively weak rebounder.

My favorite in that draft was definitely Kevin Love and I remember direly wanting to move up to get him. I thought he was going to be Elton Brand with mediocre defense.

IIRC, I was high on O.J. Mayo, Eric Gordon and Nicolas Batum. Also loved Donte Greene, who has shown flashes, but hasn't been able to put it together.

I hated Bayless, Westbrook and Rush.

For the 21st pick I think my list went Donte Greene, Nicolas Batum, CDR, Darrell Arthur, in that order. I didn't know much about Ryan Anderson though.

I also didn't pay nearly as much attention to college ball at that time.
When I was younger I loved college ball, then the Nets got really good and I almost completely abandoned it. I started paying vague attention to it around the time of the season we drafted Antoine Wright, but still didn't watch it nearly as intently as I do now. I started really getting involved again the year leading up to when we drafted Brook, but didn't immerse myself in it again until last season.

I'm actually kind of interested in what we were saying that year, I think I'm going to have to go back and dig up some old draft threads.

[crazykidd2k6]

I never really paid attention to Beasley. Can he really play 3 well or, is the 4 his natural position? If the Nets, can use him I wouldn't agree on thorn's decision.

[Preludepunk27]

I never really paid attention to Beasley. Can he really play 3 well or, is the 4 his natural position? If the Nets, can use him I wouldn't agree on thorn's decision.

He's a tweener. He gets schooled against any back to the basket PF or true sized PF.

As athletic as he is, he's not even fast enough to guard some SF's.

This could be due to a lack of drive, but again, I'm not helping out Miami until our management believes we have a 0% shot at 2 solid free agents.

[vincecarter4pres]

His upside is probably an Antawn Jamison type player, but who knows if he'll even ever become that good at this point...

[halfHAVOC]

thorn knows what hes doing, hes probably very sure hes gonna land a top teir FA.

[next2spike]

What more advantage? The Heat have all the advantage they can handle.

the plan of cap space for FA's

You know who else has this strategy? The Knicks.

Whats the point of cap space anyway, isn't it to get talent here, hopefully at a reasonable price. HELLO, 21 year old #2 pick on a rookie contract.

The Nix didnt have that plan. The Knicks plan was to give AWAY assets to get cap room at all costs. And it cost them talent, picks and prospects to do it.

Ours is to slow build, add and keep high draft picks while doing it and when giving away better talent in a trade to ADD picks and prospects.

The Knicks will go shopping after a season where they will have given away 4 of their top 5 players from the past season (Lee, Harrington, Nate and Jeffries) along with a #8 pick from the last draft who they chose over some pretty impressive guys, they already had given away their 2010 pick years ago, plus they added their 2012 pick, and agreed to take the lesser of the 2011 picks between them and Houston. All they have left to show for it is Gallinari, Douglas, and Chandler and they still have Curry's contract on the books.

Us? For 15 less wins, and only 9 mil less in cap space we still have the 6 most desireble players/contracts on our team coming back with all but one of those guys under their rookie contract. Plus the #3, 27, and 31st picks in the draft. We own all our number ones after this season, plus a future GSW #1 pick. We can easily create the extra 9 mil in cap space.

You want Thorn's head? The guy did EXACTLY what you should do when you want to build a winning team. He set the table with a stocked stable of young talent and draft picks and now he can go shopping for a center piece and more. As timing would have it since he started this adventure 3 seasons ago, he will get to shop with the power of moving to a major market and the richest owner in the sport coming in to back up his sales pitch.

And there is talk of fire him? He pulls this off and he is the executive of the year. The goal isnt to use cap space to add better players. The goal is to use it wisely on the RIGHT players. Better players for the hell of it and you end up with the Knicks of the last decade. Francis, Marbury, Zach, Harrington, Hughes, Q, Curry, and on and on and on...

We gave assets because of their CONTRACTS. MDA loved Randolph, but look at his contract. Plus, the "assets" we gave away are career losers. Crawford? Love the guy, but he's a career loser. Your telling me you would keep Harrington and Jeffries and Nate instead of cap room to sign 2 maximum free agents in a free agent class that will come around only once in a blue moon? Please.

Nice job contracting yourself, saying Harrington was a "best" player, yet "Better players for the hell of it and you end up with the Knicks of the last decade. Francis, Marbury, Zach, Harrington, Hughes, Q, Curry, and on and on and on..."

Plus, I didn't know the Knicks gave away Lee. Who did he finish the year with? Gave away Nate? Rather have Bill Walker, who, oh yeah, we got for Nate.

Know your stuff first.

[Preludepunk27]

I've convinced myself we're moving ome combination or Yi/Humphries/CDR/Dooling to clear the space before July 1st.

YI/Humprhies moved for cap room + buying out dooling will clear $10,000,000+ and give us the room for 2 max players.

[nycefnl]

wowwwwww...I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. No free agents are coming here until the Nets actually move to Brooklyn. So you'd be taking a chance on him until then. I think he's just playing out of position. He's not a PF...He's a SF.

[Rich Rane]

However, a look at the two teams' salary structures show that it may be more about cap space. Beasley is scheduled to make $4,962,240 next season while Dooling is only owed a $500,000 buyout on his $3,828,000. The Nets have a team option on Dooling exercisable June 29. So taking on Beasley would have reduced the Nets' cap space by nearly $4.5 million. It would have made the Heat much more competitive in free agency this summer as well, giving them more than $25 million to spend...as well as Dwyane Wade.

http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/6/2/14979 ... ooling-for

[jman3134]

I can understand why he would not fit in because they need some interior defense. But, I sort of feel that Beasley was underutilized on Miami because he did not fit in with Wade. (they could not feed off of each other) He should really break out next season if he plays for another team. Whether or not that should be the Nets is another question altogether though.

I think that the cap space should not be that much of a concern because adding Beasley shows that you are committed to winning by adding solid pieces.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think that the cap space should not be that much of a concern because adding Beasley shows that you are committed to winning by adding solid pieces.

Oh really?
Adding Beasley shows we are committed to winning, yet Miami wants to ship him out for nothing?
I don't get it.
He's not good enough for Wade, but he's good enough for Lebron!

[Preludepunk27]

I don't think non-Net fans understand our organization in any capacity. You don't add pieces, just to add pieces like we would have done in this deal. Obviously our management feels we have bigger fishes to worry about. All non-Net fans would definitely be able to make an excellent argument if this was August or September, but management DOES feel we can get 1, maybe even 2 big free agents. Until they unload all their bullets, this deal would never interest them and I agree with it completely.

[vincecarter4pres]

We gave assets because of their CONTRACTS. MDA loved Randolph, but look at his contract. Plus, the "assets" we gave away are career losers. Crawford? Love the guy, but he's a career loser. Your telling me you would keep Harrington and Jeffries and Nate instead of cap room to sign 2 maximum free agents in a free agent class that will come around only once in a blue moon? Please.

You're kind of missing the point.
NY had to ship out the 8th overall pick in the draft 8 months removed, a future pick swap and an additional future unprotected pick just to ship out one of these bad contracts.
I mean you had to know that's what he meant, you can't be that dense can you?

[Aussie 2point0]

The big E is back! and delivers two knockout punches.

Demens you are starting to lose me.
Some of your posts seem childish and the broken english you type means you are a teenager or a foreigner were english is the second language. But that is niether here nor there with me. I try and read every post with an open mind. But your take on Beasley is no good. Trust me if it took the big E to respond to your post then your in trouble. But your entitled to your opinion.

Is my English really that bad?

Maybe I overstepped the mark on broken english, I'll gladly take that back and assume a couple of typo's.

Cheers

[next2spike]

We gave assets because of their CONTRACTS. MDA loved Randolph, but look at his contract. Plus, the "assets" we gave away are career losers. Crawford? Love the guy, but he's a career loser. Your telling me you would keep Harrington and Jeffries and Nate instead of cap room to sign 2 maximum free agents in a free agent class that will come around only once in a blue moon? Please.

You're kind of missing the point.
NY had to ship out the 8th overall pick in the draft 8 months removed, a future pick swap and an additional future unprotected pick just to ship out one of these bad contracts.
I mean you had to know that's what he meant, you can't be that dense can you?

The Jordan Hill's of the league can be found in the D League. How else will we would have gotten rid of Jeffries? You have to give up to get a maximum slot in FA's, in which if it is used on one of the "Top 4", all of those future picks don't equal to much.

[kasino]

I don't get why they didn't take it. Since Wall is only on the Nets in my dreams there is no reason not to fill the team with young talent.
Harris
CDR/Lee
T-Will
Favors/Beasley
Lopez
Beasley could have been great with this team. Either as the 6th man or starting as the stretch 4 to pair with Lopez. He could have even spen time at the sf position.

[jman3134]

I think that the cap space should not be that much of a concern because adding Beasley shows that you are committed to winning by adding solid pieces.

Oh really?
Adding Beasley shows we are committed to winning, yet Miami wants to ship him out for nothing?
I don't get it.
He's not good enough for Wade, but he's good enough for Lebron!

They want to ship him out because this is about as low as his stock can get. (with the drug business and all) He never fit in with team chemistry and because of recent circumstances, he is less desirable to other teams.

As I said though- I am not sure that he fits the Nets team dynamic either next to Brook Lopez. The post defense would just not be there. When this happens is irrelevant to what I have been saying. I am just commenting on the prospect of this trade and whether or not it should happen in general.