Cleveland-Toronto-Portland (Bosh to Cleveland)

LApwnd · Post #21 » by **LApwnd** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:29 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:
LApwnd wrote:No Gm, No Coach, its rebuild time, James is gone

Actually, the assistant GM, Chris Grant, is taking over.

well obviously someone has to take over for NOW, is he going to be the GM going forward or is it a temp thing?

mcfly1204 · Post #22 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:32 pm

LApwnd wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:
LApwnd wrote:No Gm, No Coach, its rebuild time, James is gone

Actually, the assistant GM, Chris Grant, is taking over.

well obviously someone has to take over for NOW, is he going to be the GM going forward or is it a temp thing?

The way that they are talking about it, he will be staying on. This implies that they are looking at bringing in a coach that wants more power than Ferry was willing to give up.

panthermark · Post #23 » by **panthermark** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:38 pm

When the Cleveland get on the Bosh "approved" list?

mcfly1204 · Post #24 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:48 pm

panthermark wrote:When the Cleveland get on the Bosh "approved" list?

When they drafted LeBron in 2003.

I am Ra · Post #25 » by **I am Ra** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:52 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:
panthermark wrote:When the Cleveland get on the Bosh "approved" list?

When they drafted LeBron in 2003.

Too bad LeBron is gone and Cleveland isnt on the list (not that it ever was)

edit: by gone i mean hes going to opt out, not that he definitely wont resign (i dont think he will but idk also)

mcfly1204 · Post #26 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:53 pm

Keep speculating kids...

I am Ra · Post #27 » by **I am Ra** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:55 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:Keep speculating kids...

damn youre quick. I edited right after i posted. LOL

DowJones · Post #28 » by **DowJones** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:58 pm

panthermark wrote:When the Cleveland get on the Bosh "approved" list?

If Toronto is good with this deal, all of a sudden the Cavs can pitch the "LeBron + Bosh" angle to these guys...only Cleveland has a far better roster for them to come and join and all things being equal I think LeBron would like to stay in Cleveland and not close the show without winning titles. Plus LeBron could then sell Bosh on Cleveland+$30 million extra.

I am Ra · Post #29 » by **I am Ra** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:01 pm

DowJones wrote:
panthermark wrote:When the Cleveland get on the Bosh "approved" list?

If Toronto is good with this deal, all of a sudden the Cavs can pitch the "LeBron + Bosh" angle to these guys...only Cleveland has a far better roster for them to come and join and all things being equal I think LeBron would like to stay in Cleveland and not close the show without winning titles. Plus LeBron could then sell Bosh on Cleveland+$30 million extra.

Disagree. If you guys get a S&T with Toronto than you will lose a lot of your team and wont be very good.

Disagree again. I think he wants to be in the news everyday and the focus no matter what. Cleveland cant offer that like some other cities.

DowJones · Post #30 » by **DowJones** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:24 pm

I understand that. Look, you have made your points loud and clear lately. You think LeBron wants the New York lifestyle and you think that any trade like this is pointless because in your mind LBJ is long gone. We all get it.

mcfly1204 · Post #31 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:29 pm

I am Ra wrote:Disagree again. I think he wants to be in the news everyday and the focus no matter what. Cleveland cant offer that like some other cities.

So he is not already? He has not even won a championship yet.

I am Ra · Post #32 » by **I am Ra** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:33 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:
I am Ra wrote:Disagree again. I think he wants to be in the news everyday and the focus no matter what. Cleveland cant offer that like some other cities.

So he is not already? He has not even won a championship yet.

I dont think you can argue that in NY or LA he would be bigger than he is now. Not only in America but worldwide.

mysticbb · Post #33 » by **mysticbb** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:34 pm

DowJones wrote:Short version
Toronto dumps Bosh, Hedo, and Calderon for expiring contracts, Delonte's Dampier type of contract, 3 future first round picks, and Rudy Fernandez/JJ Hickson for the future.

You should take out the Williams for Calderon part, because I think for the Raptors is getting rid of Turkoglu enough. I also don't think that the Trail Blazers really want to make that Miller for Williams swap.

Toronto out: Bosh, Turkoglu
Toronto in: West, Moon, Telfair, Hickson, Szczerbiak (S&T, $2.3m, depends on how much of his trade kicker Turkoglu wants to waive), 2 future 1st and $3m cash (for the Szczerbiak buyout), Przybilla, Fernandez

Cleveland out: Vareajo, West, Moon, Telfair, Hickson, Szczerbiak (S&T, $2.3m, depends on how much of his trade kicker Turkoglu wants to waive), 2 future 1st and $3m cash (for the Szczerbiak buyout)
Cleveland in: Bosh, Turkoglu

Portland out: Przybilla, Fernandez
Portland in: Varjeao

Toronto still saves a lot of money and gets a decent return for Bosh, Cleveland can keep the rights to Shaquille O'Neal, which can be useful, Portland gets another good defensive big.

I can even imagine that Toronto cuts out Portland and takes Varejao instead.

I am Ra · Post #34 » by **I am Ra** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:35 pm

DowJones wrote:I understand that. Look, you have made your points loud and clear lately. You think LeBron wants the New York lifestyle and you think that any trade like this is pointless because in your mind LBJ is long gone. We all get it.

Ok, then why are you mad at me. Youre commenting on the same threads as I am so Im not the only one being repetitive. Im just trying to have a basketball conversation.

mysticbb · Post #35 » by **mysticbb** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:36 pm

I am Ra wrote:I dont think you can argue that in NY or LA he would be bigger than he is now. Not only in America but worldwide.

Unfortunately the Knicks have no team ... ;)

mcfly1204 · Post #36 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:37 pm

I am Ra wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:
I am Ra wrote:Disagree again. I think he wants to be in the news everyday and the focus no matter what. Cleveland cant offer that like some other cities.

So he is not already? He has not even won a championship yet.

I dont think you can argue that in NY or LA he would be bigger than he is now. Not only in America but worldwide.

If he wants to be the big thing world wide, he should just push Cleveland to acquire Yao.

I am Ra · Post #37 » by **I am Ra** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:42 pm

mysticbb wrote:
I am Ra wrote:I dont think you can argue that in NY or LA he would be bigger than he is now. Not only in America but worldwide.

Unfortunately the Knicks have no team ...

LOL, Gallo, Chandler, Toney, Walker, plus whoever the second max is. Thats pretty good young talent right there IMO.

I am Ra · Post #38 » by **I am Ra** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:44 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:If he wants to be the big thing world wide, he should just push Cleveland to acquire Yao.

In NY he could have a great team and be famous. If Cleveland trades for Yao then they trade some good players and arent very good. (assuming the rumors are true that Yao wont be 100% this season)

mcfly1204 · Post #39 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:44 pm

I am Ra wrote:
mysticbb wrote:
I am Ra wrote:I dont think you can argue that in NY or LA he would be bigger than he is now. Not only in America but worldwide.

Unfortunately the Knicks have no team ...

LOL, Gallo, Chandler, Toney, Walker, plus whoever the second max is. Thats pretty good young talent right there IMO.

2 small forwards, an overweight wing, and Toney Douglas? Dream come true.

mcfly1204 · Post #40 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jun 4, 2010 8:46 pm

I am Ra wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:If he wants to be the big thing world wide, he should just push Cleveland to acquire Yao.

In NY he could have a great team and be famous. If Cleveland trades for Yao then they trade some good players and arent very good. (assuming the rumors are true that Yao wont be 100% this season)

It was a joke. Did you not see that McGrady was selected as an All-Star this season?