Cleveland-Toronto-Portland (Bosh to Cleveland)

[I am Ra]

2 small forwards, an overweight wing, and Toney Douglas? Dream come true.

Gallo is a SF/PF. He is already 6 10 (maybe 6 11). Chandler is versatile. He can be a 2 3 or 4. Toney is the perfect point next to LeBron(defense and shooting ability/can play off the ball). Walker can shoot the three and is a great slasher. All great fits for LeBron.

[I am Ra]

If he wants to be the big thing world wide, he should just push Cleveland to acquire Yao.

In NY he could have a great team and be famous. If Cleveland trades for Yao then they trade some good players and arent very good. (assuming the rumors are true that Yao wont be 100% this season)

It was a joke. Did you not see that McGrady was selected as an All-Star this season?

Yeah. Whoops missed the joke. Kinda hard to pick up internet sarcasm. LOL

[I am Ra]

Im off this LeBron and the Knicks topic though. Dont want to thread hijack.

Forget it not worth going back and forth on this.

[mysticbb]

LOL, Gallo, Chandler, Toney, Walker, plus whoever the second max is. Thats pretty good young talent right there IMO.

I guess James has a lot of interest in playing on a crippled team like this. No center, no rebounding, no defense, nobody who has any kind of leadership and the dream of the 2nd max FA. Walker got no playing time on the Celtics for a reason. One injury to one of those players and that team has a chance to not even make the playoffs. But well, you can dream about getting James, others are doing most likely the same.

[440]

No Gm, No Coach, its rebuild time, James is gone

Actually, the assistant GM, Chris Grant, is taking over.

well obviously someone has to take over for NOW, is he going to be the GM going forward or is it a temp thing?

Grant has a good reputation around the league. Two years ago the Hawks tried to get him to be their GM and he declined and remained assistant GM with the Cavs. As far as Lebron leaving, I'm even more optimistic that he stays now. If Ferry stayed he was going to get his coach, now Lebron will have a say in it.

[440]

I dont think you can argue that in NY or LA he would be bigger than he is now. Not only in America but worldwide.

Unfortunately the Knicks have no team ...

LOL, Gallo, Chandler, Toney, Walker, plus whoever the second max is. Thats pretty good young talent right there IMO.

LOL I like how you act like that is a good team even with Bosh and Bron.

[DowJones]

Short version
Toronto dumps Bosh, Hedo, and Calderon for expiring contracts, Delonte's Dampier type of contract, 3 future first round picks, and Rudy Fernandez/JJ Hickson for the future.

You should take out the Williams for Calderon part, because I think for the Raptors is getting rid of Turkoglu enough. I also don't think that the Trail Blazers really want to make that Miller for Williams swap.

Toronto out: Bosh, Turkoglu
Toronto in: West, Moon, Telfair, Hickson, Szczerbiak (S&T, $2.3m, depends on how much of his trade kicker Turkoglu wants to waive), 2 future 1st and $3m cash (for the Szczerbiak buyout), Przybilla, Fernandez

Cleveland out: Vareajo, West, Moon, Telfair, Hickson, Szczerbiak (S&T, $2.3m, depends on how much of his trade kicker Turkoglu wants to waive), 2 future 1st and $3m cash (for the Szczerbiak buyout)
Cleveland in: Bosh, Turkoglu

Portland out: Przybilla, Fernandez
Portland in: Varjeao

Toronto still saves a lot of money and gets a decent return for Bosh, Cleveland can keep the rights to Shaquille O'Neal, which can be useful, Portland gets another good defensive big.

I can even imagine that Toronto cuts out Portland and takes Varejao instead.

I forgot all about Wally. He could be used instead of Shaq more freely because Wally would take any money that is offered.

Would Toronto fans agree to that though? I included Calderon because I think it would be easier for Toronto to accpet that deal. I would much rather have Mo than Jose though.

[Smooth32]

What about something like this:

CLE In: Bosh
CLE Out: Jamison, Hickson, Powe, Eyenga, future 1sts

POR In: Turkoglu, Powe
POR Out: Fernandez, Pryzbilla

TOR In: Jamison, Hickson, Eyenga, Fernandez, Pryzbilla, future 1sts
TOR Out: Bosh, Turkoglu

[DowJones]

Cleveland obviously agrees, but I tried something like that before and Toronto didn't want the extra year of Jamison's contract.

[DowJones]

btw, I also don't think Portland would want to take on Hedo's deal after he screwed them over and then proceeded to have a very poor season.

[Ducksplatt]

Short version
Toronto dumps Bosh, Hedo, and Calderon for expiring contracts, Delonte's Dampier type of contract, 3 future first round picks, and Rudy Fernandez/JJ Hickson for the future.

You should take out the Williams for Calderon part, because I think for the Raptors is getting rid of Turkoglu enough. I also don't think that the Trail Blazers really want to make that Miller for Williams swap.

Toronto out: Bosh, Turkoglu
Toronto in: West, Moon, Telfair, Hickson, Szczerbiak (S&T, $2.3m, depends on how much of his trade kicker Turkoglu wants to waive), 2 future 1st and $3m cash (for the Szczerbiak buyout), Przybilla, Fernandez

Cleveland out: Vareajo, West, Moon, Telfair, Hickson, Szczerbiak (S&T, $2.3m, depends on how much of his trade kicker Turkoglu wants to waive), 2 future 1st and $3m cash (for the Szczerbiak buyout)
Cleveland in: Bosh, Turkoglu

Portland out: Przybilla, Fernandez
Portland in: Varjeao

Toronto still saves a lot of money and gets a decent return for Bosh, Cleveland can keep the rights to Shaquille O'Neal, which can be useful, Portland gets another good defensive big.

I can even imagine that Toronto cuts out Portland and takes Varejao instead.

I agree. Good deal for Toronto but they should take Varejao and maybe package him with expirings (or Hickson) to get another centre as Pryz will expire and will miss the beginning of the season.

Like the bench for Cleveland.

[heathmalc]

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Disagree again. I think he wants to be in the news everyday and the focus no matter what. Cleveland cant offer that like some other cities.

Funny, he seems to be in the news everyday... yet he lives in Akron. He's been in the news non-stop since he was 15...living in Akron, going to a catholic school. Michael Jordan & Shaq came to visit him at his school too.

You better come up with a MUCH better argument than that! He has no problem getting in the news (daily) , on magazines (weekly), getting endorsements (#1 in endorsement contracts), or even making movies...right from Akron. LOL. You have to do much better than that if you want to get LeBron to actually listen to you (your city's team)!

[Cro_Ruption]

portland does this if they keep bayless

[heathmalc]

A trade that I see as a possibility:


Cavaliers send out: Varjao; Jamison; West; Rights to Eyenga, and two future 1sts & cash

Cavaliers get: Bosh, Calderon

Toronto Gets: Varejao, Jamison, West, rights to Eyenga, two future 1st round picks & Cash.

Toronto sends out: Bosh & Calderon.

Why for Toronto: The Raptors save 6 million dollars for 2010/11. Jamison still has two years left on his contract, but he is more productive than anyone not named Bosh, on the Toronto roster. Bargs could move to PF, while Varejao would man the middle. Jamison would either start at SF or back-up both the PF & SF spots. Jamison played SF about 30% of the time he was in Cleveland, and while at Golden State, it was the only position he played. And although Jamison's contract still has 2 seasons left on it, it is only half the size of Calderon's (4 years) contract, and he'll free up money for Toronto for the 2012 free-agent class, that will include Carmelo Anthony. Varejao is signed for the next 5 seasons, but the contract is complex, because the length of the contract is not guaranteed, nor is the maximum salary for any of the seasons. Varejao must play a certain amount of games, and reach certain statistical levels in order for the full amount to be guaranteed for each season. Varejao actually is only guaranteed 5 million for each of the seasons of his contract. Eyenga & the two 1st rounders help Toronto to continue to add to their nucleus. West's contract is not guaranteed, so Toronto could just dump him & save the money.

Why for the Cavs: Calderon's contract sucks...but he is the price the Cavaliers would pay to get Bosh - which is the only purpose of taking on a 2nd high-priced PG, who doesn't produce. Calderon does have some talent, and can hit the mid-range shot consistently. He plays a lot better defense than Mo Williams (which is saying a lot, because Calderon isn't a stopper by any means). The Cavs however, could likely package Mo in a second deal, to fill out their roster. The whole purpose of this trade though, is to put LeBron & Bosh on the Cavaliers, together.

[AZ BLAZER]

Already on the 4th page and not one post referring to Portlands team needs. AV is certainly not needed, and especially at the price. Oden, Camby and Aldridge will be fine up front with Pendergraph and Cunningham as well. Mo Williams is not a good fit in Portland. If he is then Bayless is an even better fit further prroving my point that Williams also is not needed.

What Portland needs is a PG for the future, which will be hard to find. They also need a back up PF banger that only cost $3-4 mil per, not the crazy money AV is getting. And finally, Portland needs Oden healthy. This is what Portland needs. And it would be great if "Toronto just cuts Portland out." And there is no way in hell Turkey Boy will be a Blazer, especially if Fernendez is in the deal.