Rubio for #3? - Stray Thought

[hotshotschamp]

I mean Turner is nice and I like him. A lot. But Rubio is:
1) younger;
2) more accomplished;
3) more proven;
4) his position holds more value;
5) has more elite level skills;
6) more marketable.

meh.....

He's a couple years younger so what. Either player will give you a decade of good basketball, doesn't much matter

More Accomplished? Turner was the best player in the NCAA this past season put up a record number of triple doubles in the big 10, more than magic did. Who is to say Rubio would have dominated college more than Turner did this year, I wouldn't take that bet

More proven- no

His position holds more value? Why? 3 of the biggest winners in the past 20 years of hardware in the nba have been due to the play of MJ, Shaq and Kobe..... 2 Sg's and 1 center. Lebron James that other guy he's not a PG, although he can bring the ball up.

More elite level skills? NO- He's a better dribbler and passer. Turner is a better scorer, rebounder, and quite frankly his passing skills for his size and positoin are great.

More marketable- No. Turner is well known and in the public eye. Rubio is quite frankly a bit of an enigma now, and been out of the spot light since last years drafts. Lots of people have forgotten about him ( save twolves fans ). Whoever ends up the better player, will be the more marketable player, talent speaks. So we'll see.

[Tirion]

More Accomplished? Turner was the best player in the NCAA this past season put up a record number of triple doubles in the big 10, more than magic did. Who is to say Rubio would have dominated college more than Turner did this year, I wouldn't take that bet

More proven- no

You realize that what Rubio did this year at the age of 19, winning Euroleague, Copa del Rey, Spanish Supercup and being on the way to win national championship trumps anything that Turner did by a mile? And I'm not even mentioning the 2008 Olympics and EuroBasket 2009. Those are all grown-ass tournaments for grown-ass men, i.e. professionals.

His position holds more value? Why? 3 of the biggest winners in the past 20 years of hardware in the nba have been due to the play of MJ, Shaq and Kobe..... 2 Sg's and 1 center. Lebron James that other guy he's not a PG, although he can bring the ball up.

Turner is nowhere near of the level of MJ or Kobe, so drop that comp. Great PG's are rare, great wingmen are more common.

More elite level skills? NO- He's a better dribbler and passer. Turner is a better scorer, rebounder, and quite frankly his passing skills for his size and positoin are great.

When I'm talking about elite, I'm not comparing the two just stating the level of their skills. Turner has one elite skill - he's a great ballhandler for a wing. That's one. It can take you places, but there are similar players out there. Rubio has an elite handles for a point guard plus he has court vision that can rival Kidd/Nash. That's two.

More marketable- No. Turner is well known and in the public eye. Rubio is quite frankly a bit of an enigma now, and been out of the spot light since last years drafts. Lots of people have forgotten about him ( save twolves fans ). Whoever ends up the better player, will be the more marketable player, talent speaks. So we'll see.

He's a rockstar in Spain. He will be a rockstar in Minny, when he comes. He just has it. There will be another Turner next year in the NCAA (Harrison Barnes). Another Ricky Rubio? Yeah, right. Not in the next five years at least.

[Tirion]

I mean Ricky's resume was already mightly impressive last year, espessially for his age. Now, if he wins the national champ? You're be talking about a player who won literally everything possible outside of the NBA (except for Olympics Gold) before he celebrated his 20th birthday. That's unheard of. Nobody did it at that age, not even Sabonis/Petrovic.

[hotshotschamp]

I'd take Evan Turner for ricky rubio 10/10.

I think for one he's a better talent, who can pass and score, not just pass....He has a real shot, mid range game, something I've never seen Ricky do, I don't know if he even has a mid ranger jumper. All I see is 3 pt set shots and flailing lay-ups when I see him, which is often.

Also Turner wanted to come here, Rubio will ditch Minnesota the first chance he can get after his contract is up, who you kidding. You think when he's a FA he's going to stay in Minny, highly unlikely.

I think Turner is a better player, and a better fit in Minnesota, without a doubt.

[GSForever]

Rubio is really a bad fit for your team! Not trying to knock your team but he makes very good passes to guys who can score the basketball..The only athletic player who would be on the recieving end is Brewer..Love is not explosive and Jefferson relies on a post game..You guys would be best off drafting Johnson instead of looking at a big like Cousins..If you guys ended up with Gay and signed another explosive SG then having Rubio might make life easier for u guys..

[Tirion]

Also Turner wanted to come here, Rubio will ditch Minnesota the first chance he can get after his contract is up, who you kidding. You think when he's a FA he's going to stay in Minny, highly unlikely.

I think you're jumping to conclusions. Turner never said that he wanted to come here. He just anticipated being taken #2 and Wolves had the highest chances to be #2 team. And chances of Turner/Rubio re-signing here are pretty equal imo. Money trumps everything. Plus you never know. Maybe Rubio will fall in love with Minneapolis like KG did.

[Foye]

I could be talked into #3 for Rubio if Turner is available then but it won't happen...

[Quentin]

Nope...and I wouldn't trade Rubio for pick 2 either. I would consider it for number 1 though.

[Devilzsidewalk]

oh yea, I'd for sure do that. Roll out Favors/Love/Cousins as my front court, shop Biggums/16 for Granger, go sign away Morrow and lets do this

[C.lupus]

Rubio is really a bad fit for your team! Not trying to knock your team but he makes very good passes to guys who can score the basketball..The only athletic player who would be on the recieving end is Brewer..Love is not explosive and Jefferson relies on a post game..You guys would be best off drafting Johnson instead of looking at a big like Cousins..If you guys ended up with Gay and signed another explosive SG then having Rubio might make life easier for u guys..

Which is exactly what we are trying to do. We all know that we need to upgrade our wings. Nothing new there. Why do you think Kahn wants(ed) Turner so bad? The plan all along has been to build a team that works with Rubio. The team this past season was made up mostly of expiring contracts. We have cap space, multiple first round picks, and multiple frontcourt players to move for athletic wings.

[Dewey]

Yes, the Wolves need to upgrade their wings to encourage Rubio that we're moving forward ... IMO, we will acquire 2 of 3 (Turner, Johnson, and Gay) by July 1st.

I'm sensing more and more second-guessing on how teams feel about Turner.
1.) His length is limiting for his height (if that makes sense) ... not a big deal at the collegiate level, but might be a slight concern at the NBA level.
2.) Speed is average ... again, this could be a concern at the NBA level.
3.) Jump-shot is average at best ... if he doesn't have the high-end speed, he may need to rely more on a good jump-shot.

This does potentially help Johnsons cause and gives us reason to think Johnson at #4 is okay. Ball-handling is the biggest debate for Johnson ... he was a PG in high school, but experts claim he did not penetrate as much in college due to limited ball-handling skills ... so maybe he was a poor PG?..

That said, Rubio for #3 makes little sense unless Kahn is concerned about Rubio playing for MN.

[Carpe Diem]

The only question that matters surrounding Turner is whether or not he can play. The answer is a clear yes. The GM that passes on him because of silly measurements to grab "potential" will be fired, unless of course one works for the Raiders who seem to draft the fastest combine player every year.

[horaceworthy]

Ball-handling is the biggest debate for Johnson ... he was a PG in high school, but experts claim he did not penetrate as much in college due to limited ball-handling skills ... so maybe he was a poor PG?..

To be fair, Craig Smith also played PG in high school.

[Krapinsky]

Ball-handling is the biggest debate for Johnson ... he was a PG in high school, but experts claim he did not penetrate as much in college due to limited ball-handling skills ... so maybe he was a poor PG?..

To be fair, Craig Smith also played PG in high school.

Where have you heard this? Smith went to Fairfax High, a pretty competitive high school out here in Los Angeles, so that seems surprising to me. (Neat side point -- I play pick up games in the gym where his high school jersey hangs.) Maybe it was just one of those things where the team lost its point guard to injury or something?

[horaceworthy]

Rhino Cookie said it himself in the interview pieces they showed at halftime and before/after games. The first time I heard him say it he was talking about the first time he dunked in a game. I'm guessing it was a give the best player the ball thing.

[revprodeji]

How much confidence do we have in Flynn?

[Foye]

I miss Craig Smith

[revprodeji]

Pekovic is basically a bigger Craig Smith.

[horaceworthy]

That's not as fun.