Mo williams to the Raps?

provecy15 · Post #1 » by **provecy15** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 8:59 pm

http://twitter.com/SamAmico

Taking back possibly jose calderon, thoughts?

twix2500 · Post #2 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 9:19 pm

provecy15 wrote:http://twitter.com/SamAmico

Taking back possibly jose calderon, thoughts?

LOL, Im pretty sure that the new GM is getting a feel for Mo's Value right now. The Cavs biggest task next to resigning James is trading for a second go too player and then building around those two. Trading for role players at this point is moot. You have to add role players to compliment your go too players, right now they dont have their go too players set. Everybody is on the market right now so you will likely hear everyones name come up.

provecy15 · Post #3 » by **provecy15** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 9:27 pm

twix2500 wrote:
provecy15 wrote:http://twitter.com/SamAmico

Taking back possibly jose calderon, thoughts?

LOL, Im pretty sure that the new GM is getting a feel for Mo's Value right now. The Cavs biggest task next to resigning James is trading for a second go too player and then building around those two. Trading for role players at this point is moot. You have to add role players to compliment your go too players, right now they dont have their go too players set. Everybody is on the market right now so you will likely hear everyones name come up.

Yes but say this happens, what would you think of it?

Post #4 » by **B Mac** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 9:46 pm

It clearly wont happen the way it is being reported. Mo for Calderon straight up? Not even a chance of that.

First of all this probably just a rumor thrown out there for only God knows what reason, BUT if it wasnt then this trade would probably look something more like:

Mo for Calderon and 13
Mo for Caldreon and Derozen
or much less likely
a bigger trade involving Bosh

Still, its likely just a rumor.

twix2500 · Post #5 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 9:47 pm

provecy15 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
provecy15 wrote:http://twitter.com/SamAmico

Taking back possibly jose calderon, thoughts?

LOL, Im pretty sure that the new GM is getting a feel for Mo's Value right now. The Cavs biggest task next to resigning James is trading for a second go too player and then building around those two. Trading for role players at this point is moot. You have to add role players to compliment your go too players, right now they dont have their go too players set. Everybody is on the market right now so you will likely hear everyones name come up.

Yes but say this happens, what would you think of it?

The new GM for the Cavs should be fired on the spot.

twix2500 · Post #6 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 9:49 pm

B Mac wrote:It clearly wont happen the way it is being reported. Mo for Calderon straight up? Not even a chance of that.

First of all this probably just a rumor thrown out there for only God knows what reason, BUT if it wasnt then this trade would probably look something more like:

Mo for Calderon and 16
Mo for Caldreon and Derozen
or much less likely
a bigger trade involving Bosh

Still, its likely just a rumor.

Two scenerios may have happened if Cleveland did call toronto for Mo Williams. 1st they checking Mo's value, asking what could they get for Mo. 2nd they are working on a package offer for Bosh. Other than that you can use your common sense and say thats just bull crap, like the Dooling for Beasley crap.

Post #7 » by **B Mac** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 10:17 pm

Yup.

Im pretty sure we're going to be hearing many more "rumors" over the next several days and weeks because we are likely going to be the most active team this summer.

heathmalc · Post #8 » by **heathmalc** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 11:02 pm

B Mac wrote:Yup.

Im pretty sure we're going to be hearing many more "rumors" over the next several days and weeks because we are likely going to be the most active team this summer.

I'm not sure we will be the "most" active, as teams like New York, are sure to be every bit as active... just in different ways. I do think we'll be the most active trade team over the next six weeks.

I also donj't think we'll be the most active over the "entire" summer. I believe that most of our dealings (if not all) will be finished over the next 37 days. Over that period, we will be extremely active.... particularly over the first half of that period.

Qhawe · Post #9 » by **Qhawe** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 11:12 pm

Mo and Calderon are the same player IMO. except Calderon. Difference is Calderon performs during playoffs and Mo doesn't. Mo performs during season Calderon doesn't

Wisedude42 · Post #10 » by **Wisedude42** » Sun Jun 6, 2010 11:58 pm

Calderon is not capable of being a starting point guard on an NBA championship team.
He's not that good and not capable enough.

BAD trade idea and speculation. Period.

Post #11 » by **Rise Against** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:07 am

If the Cavs were to trade Mo to the Raps, it should be a package deal, not a swap. There is no way the Cavs would trade Mo for Calderon straight up.

Faithleader · Post #12 » by **Faithleader** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:12 am

Calderon has the better overall better game than MO....better assist and turnover ratio

prekazi · Post #13 » by **prekazi** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:43 am

No Calderon please! He's an headache, so much ego... I'd rather have Mo.

heathmalc · Post #14 » by **heathmalc** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 1:15 am

If this was 2007, Calderon would be taken over just about any PG in the league...just about. If you guys remember correctly, he was at that time regarded as maybe the 2nd or 3rd best PG in the league.

Sometimes things happen that cause players to play differently. Jose was being counted on after TJ Ford was traded to basically be the co-leader of the Raptors... a position he was not ready to take.

Jose Calderon is the better point guard, without question. Mo Williams is the better overall shooter (except from mid-range, where Jose may be the best in the league).

HOWEVER... Jose's stock has plummeted, and it'd be foolish of the Cavaliers to make a straight, 2-player trade between Jose & Mo. Mo has more value across the league, and Jose has been shopped for the last 12 months.

Post #15 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 1:15 am

Faithleader wrote:Calderon has the better overall better game than MO....better assist and turnover ratio

That is all that Calderon has and that's because he doesn't have an aggressive offensive bone in his body.

heathmalc · Post #16 » by **heathmalc** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 1:24 am

For those of you w/o access to player reviews, here is a partial scouting report & a little bit else about Jose Calderon. While reading this, keep in mind that Jose is only 1 season removed from back to back to back seasons of 19+ PERs

John Hollinger wrote:Offensively, however, he didn't seem to have any problem. Calderon finished second in the league to Chris Paul in pure point rating (see chart) and also landed second in assist ratio. And when he shot, he was unbelievably accurate. Calderon shot 40.6 percent on 3s and 45.8 percent on long 2s, and those jumpers comprised most of his attempts.

On his rare ventures to the bucket, Calderon succeeded beyond any reasonable expectation. He shot 73.1 percent in the immediate basket area, and while he compiled only 120 attempts, that's still an incredible percentage for a slightly built 6-3 point guard. Overall, his true shooting percentage of 61.3 ranked second among point guards and 14th overall.

It probably helped that nobody wanted to foul him. Calderon shot 98.1 percent for the season, an NBA record, and nearly set another mark by making 87 straight at one point. He missed three foul shots the entire season.

Scouting report: An extreme high-efficiency, low-mistake player, Calderon doesn't make as many plays as a lot of his peers at the point, and that might be the one criticism of him. The Raptors could have used somebody who created shots more consistently last season, especially given their shaky wings, and that's not Calderon's thing.

When he gets opportunities, however, he always cashes in. Calderon has become a fantastic spot-up shooter, and virtually never takes a bad shot. When he penetrates it's usually to pass rather than to score, but he rarely makes a bad decision on pick-and-roll plays and doesn't turn the ball over.

Defensively, he had the third-lowest foul rate at his position last season, partly because he was rarely close enough to his man to make contact. At 6-3 he has good size for the position but quick guards give him trouble even when he's at full strength, and for much of last season he clearly wasn't.

Keep all of this in-mind when thinking of Jose, and how bad you think he is....because you've been listening to what others "think" they know.

Triumph36 · Post #17 » by **Triumph36** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 1:28 am

I don't want Calderon because he is **** terrible on defense. Even worse than Mo ffs.

No more awful defenders at PG plz.

edit: unless it's part of a Bosh deal. But even then I might want Hedo instead depending on other possibilities.

heathmalc · Post #18 » by **heathmalc** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 1:36 am

Triumph36 wrote:I don't want Calderon because he is **** terrible on defense. Even worse than Mo ffs.

No more awful defenders at PG plz.

edit: unless it's part of a Bosh deal. But even then I might want Hedo instead depending on other possibilities.

Jose has been bad the last two year on defense due to his quad injury - which he played through most of this past season. If people will look back before the injury, he played MUCH, MUCH better defense (was rated 3rd best defender at PG position in 08). I think that the Cavs would do a MUCH, MUCH better job with him this off-season with rehabbing the strain.

Jose is a possible steal...although, like I said earlier, I wouldn't trade Mo even for him, because Jose's value is at an all-time low, and we could get him for free. So, if Bosh isn't in the deal, then I'd want the #13 pick at-least.... and I'd be VERY happy with that trade!

bcortell · Post #19 » by **bcortell** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:33 am

B Mac wrote:It clearly wont happen the way it is being reported. Mo for Calderon straight up? Not even a chance of that.

First of all this probably just a rumor thrown out there for only God knows what reason, BUT if it wasnt then this trade would probably look something more like:

Mo for Calderon and 13
Mo for Caldreon and Derozen
or much less likely
a bigger trade involving Bosh

Still, its likely just a rumor.

Agree with this. If talks are occurring it's Mo for Calderon and 13, Mo for Calderon and DD, or a larger trade with Bosh. To be honest, I'm not enamored with a Mo for Calderon and 13 trade. I like DD a little more, but still wouldn't be overjoyed with that either.

heathmalc · Post #20 » by **heathmalc** » Mon Jun 7, 2010 1:37 pm

bcortell wrote:Agree with this. If talks are occurring it's Mo for Calderon and 13, Mo for Calderon and DD, or a larger trade with Bosh. To be honest, I'm not enamored with a Mo for Calderon and 13 trade. I like DD a little more, but still wouldn't be overjoyed with that either.

DeMar DeRozan is a long way off ever being worth anything to a winning team. His defense sucks (although he does make a spectacular play now & again, due to his athleticism). I'd have NO INTEREST what-so-ever in DeMar DeRozan coming to Cleveland. The Guy sucked at USC, he was a HUGE reach by the Raptors last year, and my guess is that in five years, you'll not see him anymore because he'll be playing in Turkey.