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Re: Who's the new coach? - Speculation thread 

Post#21 » by Rise Against » Fri May 28, 2010 10:22 pm

Baseline Runner wrote:Let's get Mike Fratello and use his bleed the shot clock down to nothing offense.

If that is the case, then I guess the offense won't be that much different compared to last year.

I'm glad the assistants are back, but hoping the Cavs can land a big name like Phil Jackson or Coach K, even though that is very unlikely.. IMO, Byron Scott is someone to consider. I have no idea who Kelvin Sampson is, but I would prefer that we hire a head coach, not an assistant.
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Post#22 » by FGump » Sat May 29, 2010 8:04 am

1 Player-coach is not allowed. Clear rule against it in the CBA. There is no loophole, just an ignorant coach (Rivers) shooting off his mouth without having a clue.

2 You don't want Avery Johnson. He's not a coach, his "skill" is (or, was?) motivating. In Dallas he did well as long as he had Del Harris as his assistant but eventually he decided he was too good to listen to anyone else, had Harris fired, and took over all the coaching duties himself. Disaster. He had more success than he knew how to handle, too quickly, and his ego killed his potential.

3 I understand the conspiracy theories about Calipari, but he never seemed like a pro coach to me. If LBJ is making all the decisions and because of that say-so Calipari gets hired but can't coach, that's a plus in keeping LBJ but it's not good for anyone - especially Lebron who wants titles - to have a crappy coach.
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Post#23 » by heathmalc » Sun May 30, 2010 3:21 pm

The CBA, which governs players, etc, says that there can NOT be a player-coach. The reasoning for this is the circumvention of CBA rules that define what a player's maximum salary can be, and the number of years that contract can be for.

I have been reading the CBA, pouring over that BORING set of documents made available by the NBAPA.

I believe that I have found a loop-hole in CBA. One which were to allow a player-coach.

LeBron is a free-agent - assuming he doesn't take his option year or signs an extension - This basically puts him in the same category that Lindsay Hunter was in last season. Hunter signed as an assistant coach with the Chicago Bulls. Interestingly, I have yet to find a rule that says a coach cannot suit-up for the team. This is likely because it hasn't really been thought of since the league instituted a salary cap, and the "no Player-Coach." rule.

I understand that some of you would say that a Player-coach & a coach who plays is the same thing. However, according to the CBA it is not. You see, it is quite legal for a team to allow a coach to play in a game... there is no rule that forbids it.

There is a second loop-hole in the CBA that I have also found, in which a player could also coach a team (This is to for those of you that thought that Doc Rivers was ignorant on the specifics of the CBA when it came to this particular rule). This 2nd loop-hole is opened when a player is a volunteer coach. A player can be a volunteer coach, and be paid as a player at the same time. A recent instance of this happening (during the current CBA) was when Aaron McKie (who was volunteer coaching in Philadelphia at the time) was used by the L.A. Lakers in the S&T deal for Pau Gasol from Memphis. Although McKie was immediately waived by the Grizzlies, he was paid for that season by Memphis (1st year is always guaranteed), as a player, but after a week in Memphis, returned to Philadelphia and continued his coaching duties, and was paid as a player at the same time.

These two loop-holes are actually related, and if the Cavaliers so chose to do so, they could technically name LeBron as the new Head Coach, as a volunteer, and still pay him as a player. The CBA specifically has a rule that is open for interpretation by the commish, that forbids a team from blatantly making any kind of deal that would circumvent the rules of the CBA. Because this would not be the case (a circumvention of the rules - the rules were put into place so the salary cap couldn't be circumvented, not so players couldn't be player-coaches. The purpose of all of the CBA rules is to maintain the salary cap, and player salaries.), therefore the instance of LeBron being named the head-coach is NOT IMPOSSIBLE! Improbable, and very unlikely.... but it is possible.
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Re: Who's the new coach? - Speculation thread 

Post#24 » by Grime_Wizard » Mon May 31, 2010 4:12 am

I think Byron Scott is the most likely and best fit for the Cavs
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Post#25 » by twix2500 » Thu Jun 3, 2010 2:10 am

Grime_Wizard wrote:I think Byron Scott is the most likely and best fit for the Cavs


Do you think the offensive scheme that Bryon Scott runs, can be successful without a dominate ball handling point guard?
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Post#26 » by M4P » Fri Jun 4, 2010 10:53 am

twix2500 wrote:
Grime_Wizard wrote:I think Byron Scott is the most likely and best fit for the Cavs


Do you think the offensive scheme that Bryon Scott runs, can be successful without a dominate ball handling point guard?

Lebron already fills that role doesn't he?
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Post#27 » by Triumph36 » Mon Jun 7, 2010 1:25 am

bumppppp

Supposedly made an offer to Izzo:

The Cavaliers want to make a big splash with their next coaching hire.

According to a league source, they are centering their efforts on bringing in Michigan State coach Tom Izzo.

In fact, they've already made him an offer to be their coach, the source said. It's going to take a lot of money to convince Izzo to leave the confines of the college ranks.


http://www.news-herald.com/articles/201 ... 604471.txt
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Post#28 » by heathmalc » Mon Jun 7, 2010 2:04 am

Triumph36 wrote:bumppppp

Supposedly made an offer to Izzo:

The Cavaliers want to make a big splash with their next coaching hire.

According to a league source, they are centering their efforts on bringing in Michigan State coach Tom Izzo.

In fact, they've already made him an offer to be their coach, the source said. It's going to take a lot of money to convince Izzo to leave the confines of the college ranks.


http://www.news-herald.com/articles/201 ... 604471.txt


It was reported in Michigan that Izzo was leaving... but channel 43 loves rumors.

Byron Scott or Tom Izzo will be the next coach... UNLESS Phil Jackson agrees to come here... then Scott will coach the Lakers, and Izzo will stay with the Spartans.

I will say this:
With some of the things that are being talked about (Izzo; Mo for Jose,etc) it doesn't sound as if LeBron is coming back...rather it sounds more like a team ready to rebuild.
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