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Gaston Turned Down All-Star Coaching Offer 

Post#1 » by LittleOzzy » Sun Jun 6, 2010 8:06 pm

Blue Jays manager Cito Gaston has reportedly turned down an offer to help coach the American League at next month's All-Star Game.

Gaston was asked by Yankees manager Joe Girardi about being a coach, but Gaston thanked him and declined, according to the Toronto Star's Richard Griffin.

He told the Star on Friday that he prefers the three days off in the middle of the season.



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You may not respect Cito but the rest of the league sure does. Having him at the All Star game would of been a nice send off for his final season as manager.
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Post#2 » by kelso » Sun Jun 6, 2010 11:13 pm

Maybe Girardi asked him because the team is doing well, not because he's a CIto nut-hugger like some people around here.
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Post#3 » by kelso » Sun Jun 6, 2010 11:15 pm

Oh, and I guess this might not be a good place to point out how his managing (or lack there of) cost us another win today in the 8th inning....sorry, I mean "I love Cito"......
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Post#4 » by J-Roc » Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:33 am

kelso wrote:Oh, and I guess this might not be a good place to point out how his managing (or lack there of) cost us another win today in the 8th inning....sorry, I mean "I love Cito"......


People always want to speculate when a move by Cito may have cost us a game, but no one wants to think about how many wins Cito might be responsible for.
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Post#5 » by CapeCrusader » Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:40 am

Personally I like Cito, hes the best bench boss we've had since....Cito lol. Unless we can actually get somebody better...not some random then I'll let Cito go.
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Post#6 » by LittleOzzy » Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:45 am

kelso wrote:Maybe Girardi asked him because the team is doing well, not because he's a CIto nut-hugger like some people around here.


So just because I like Cito and respect what he has done for the Jays I am suddenly a nut-hugger?
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Post#7 » by Randle McMurphy » Mon Jun 7, 2010 3:11 am

LittleOzzy wrote:You may not respect Cito but the rest of the league sure does. Having him at the All Star game would of been a nice send off for his final season as manager.

I'm pretty sure this is a shot at me.

Just because I don't agree with Cito's inane managing tactics doesn't mean I don't respect him as a person or even as a manager. As I've said before, he's one of my favourite people in baseball.
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Post#8 » by Randle McMurphy » Mon Jun 7, 2010 3:13 am

kelso wrote:Oh, and I guess this might not be a good place to point out how his managing (or lack there of) cost us another win today in the 8th inning....sorry, I mean "I love Cito"......

It was decisions like today that eventually led to that player mutiny last year. I really hope it doesn't come to that again.
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Post#9 » by tsherkin » Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:23 am

Most managers regularly do things that piss off the fanbase. Sometimes, they even make the right decision and it backfires... and it pisses off the fanbase. Or they make the "wrong" decision and it works, and it pisses of the fanbase.

Cito's always pissed me off with how he manages pitching. I've never really much cared for pinch hitting all that much unless a guy has huge platoon splits, and pinch runners don't usually mean much unless you're doing it for a pitcher or you've got a noteworthy platoon of catchers and want to sub a guy out... but we have little speed worth mentioning and we don't really do anything but jack the ball out of the park or put it off the wall anyhow, so it's not like it much matters to us one way or the other.

Realistically, the only thing about Cito that bugs me, and always has, even back when I was a wee lad just learning the game is that he's stubborn as Hell about mismanaging the rotation and the pen. That, and his awful lovefests with certain players.

That said, he's still a good manager. He's still a manager who deserves to manage at the ASG if he feels like it. He's not a manager who absolutely maximizes everything and plays every percentage and what-not, but he has his strengths and weaknesses just like anyone else. And after some of the guys we had before Gibbons (who pissed me off even MORE than Cito), I don't know why there's any noise about him, really. As long as he treats the young pitchers with something approaching kid gloves so they don't blow their arms out, I don't really care. The Overbay thing was annoying, but he does seem to be coming around a little of late, and I'm sure Hill will, too.

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Post#10 » by kelso » Mon Jun 7, 2010 5:38 pm

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kelso wrote:Maybe Girardi asked him because the team is doing well, not because he's a CIto nut-hugger like some people around here.


So just because I like Cito and respect what he has done for the Jays I am suddenly a nut-hugger?


"...like some people around here..." isnt calling you a nut-hugger. If you feel that based on your stated positions with respect to discussions relating to the Jays and more specifically Cito Gaston that you tend to lean in that general direction, then thats not me making that connection, that was you. I dont have a problem with you.

As for Cito Gaston, why the hell is no one allowed to question this guy's decisions as a manager?? So just because he won 2 World Series 17 years ago, we have to STFU and not dare mention his inbility to make effective in-game decisions?? We do it to the other Toronto teams all the time.
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Post#11 » by J-Roc » Mon Jun 7, 2010 5:56 pm

kelso wrote:
LittleOzzy wrote:
kelso wrote:Maybe Girardi asked him because the team is doing well, not because he's a CIto nut-hugger like some people around here.


So just because I like Cito and respect what he has done for the Jays I am suddenly a nut-hugger?


"...like some people around here..." isnt calling you a nut-hugger. If you feel that based on your stated positions with respect to discussions relating to the Jays and more specifically Cito Gaston that you tend to lean in that general direction, then thats not me making that connection, that was you. I dont have a problem with you.

As for Cito Gaston, why the hell is no one allowed to question this guy's decisions as a manager?? So just because he won 2 World Series 17 years ago, we have to STFU and not dare mention his inbility to make effective in-game decisions?? We do it to the other Toronto teams all the time.


Well to your point, the other teams didn't win 2 championships since the introduction of colour tv. Question Cito? Absolutely. But then the same people should be pointing out all the times Cito's decisions work. For some reason, that just doesn't happen.
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Post#12 » by kelso » Mon Jun 7, 2010 6:43 pm

To your point, yes I personally haven't come online in this forum to applaud Cito decisions that have worked out, for instance sticking with Lind the year before last until he worked his stuff out. But I also havent really done the same for the Raps and the Leafs either.

I know this is wrong (or I would like to think it is anyways) but it seems sometimes Cito does stuff just because he can, not because its the right thing to do. Thats a ridiculous assertion, however I wonder sometimes.
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Post#13 » by righteous015 » Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:10 pm

As far as I'm concerned, the only bad move he's made was taking out our dominating starting pitchers from the game and ending up losing in the ninth. Even then, how was he supposed to know that the bullpen would blow em up.
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Post#14 » by J-Roc » Tue Jun 8, 2010 7:12 pm

I experienced this for years with Pat Quinn and the Leafs. He did things "his way". And you know, it's hard to quantify how many wins you gain by "showing confidence in your players" vs losses from not "playing the percentages". You can't quantify it. All you can do is look at the overall record and see if the method is working.

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