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Re: Beasley available - let's deal 

Post#21 » by fatlever » Sat Jun 5, 2010 8:18 pm

Paydro70 wrote:I don't really get the animosity, Beasley has not come out like gangbusters but he's really had a pretty solid start to his career. With minutes he'd be an 18/8 PF, admittedly not so great on defense, but he's still on his rookie contract so it's not like he's overpaid. He has obviously more potential than Tyrus, and is probably about as good.


i dont think the knocks on beasley are really related to his scoring or stats/mins played. its mainly related to his defense, pot bust, supposed immaturity, his rehab stint and mental breakdown.
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no matter how talented you are, if you cant be a professional, be accountable, no team is going to want to deal with you. it becomes a toxic situation for the entire franchise.

but, like i said before, i would probably take a chance on him given our pf situation and need for a real difference maker on offense.
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Post#22 » by BigSlam » Sat Jun 5, 2010 8:45 pm

A lot of people who nut hugged him at K-State seemed to sour on him when he measured shorter in height than expected at the predraft combine too - which is just crazy.
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Re: Beasley available - let's deal 

Post#23 » by Rich4114 » Sun Jun 6, 2010 2:26 am

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chrbal wrote:Never really followed Beasley, but if he can play SF...how was this not thought of?

Michael Beasley to Minnesota for Ryan Gomes. I don't remember what Gomes is guaranteed for, but thats actually possible.

Because Minnesota isn't in the running to sign two max FA's this summer and in competition with Miami to do so.

Some people seem to be missing the point of this clever trade idea that the Heat came up with and are instead suggesting that a player like Dooling or Gomes is equal to the value of Beasley and some Miami cap space.


I look at it this way, Miami was looking to unload Beasley so they had room to resign Wade and sign Lebron while at the same time, keeping the Nets from doing the same thing.
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Post#24 » by Mezotarkus » Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:13 pm

Beasley would spend 90% of the game on the bench under Larry Brown. Beasley thinks defense is what keeps his dog in the backyard. He certainly doesn't think it has anything to do with basketball.
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Post#25 » by Mezotarkus » Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:14 pm

Rich4114 wrote:I look at it this way, Miami was looking to unload Beasley so they had room to resign Wade and sign Lebron while at the same time, keeping the Nets from doing the same thing.


Miami is wanting to sign Wade, Lebron and Bosh/Amare with them splitting Miami's cap space after releasing all their free agents three ways. They'd take a cut in salary (though not huge) and then work on a Boston-style dynasty while they are on still in their prime. At least that seems to be the plan.
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Re: Beasley available - let's deal 

Post#26 » by BigSlam » Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:59 pm

Mezotarkus wrote:Beasley would spend 90% of the game on the bench under Larry Brown. Beasley thinks defense is what keeps his dog in the backyard. He certainly doesn't think it has anything to do with basketball.

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Post#27 » by dolphinatik » Mon Jun 7, 2010 6:27 pm

from a team that tried to trade crash...tsk tsk tsk.... coming from a team who didnt capatalize and try to land crash (Miami) tsk tsk tsk.

Heat fan here, no doubt there might be some truth to the Heat tryting to unload Beasley. With good coaching and proper offensive sets Beasley can pay dividends. I dont know why you guys would want him as you were building good chemistry last year. Beasley needs to be a first option and does not play off the ball too well. That is his biggest problem on the court. His defense is not that bad if he is also scoring. He doesnt fit Miami's system and does not play off DWade well and Dwade is priority #1 in Miami.

You might be able to get him if you think he fits and can unload cap space or picks.
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Post#28 » by Walt Cronkite » Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:03 pm

dolphinatik wrote:from a team that tried to trade crash...tsk tsk tsk.... coming from a team who didnt capatalize and try to land crash (Miami) tsk tsk tsk.


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Post#29 » by AkiraSendo » Wed Jun 9, 2010 6:01 pm

Mezotarkus wrote:Beasley would spend 90% of the game on the bench under Larry Brown. Beasley thinks defense is what keeps his dog in the backyard. He certainly doesn't think it has anything to do with basketball.


While he did not showed the expected improvements in many areas this last year, he improved by leaps and bounds on defense.

He is not really a "headcase". The only head problem he has is that he is really weak mentally imo, and thats ruining his career. BTW he is still very young and it's too soon to judge the kid. I have high hopes.

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Post#30 » by DY_nasty » Wed Jun 9, 2010 6:26 pm

Beasley's numbers are crap when put beside his usage rate. Miami does almost everything they can to make things easier for him on offense and include him in sets but even then he only manages to put up average numbers. Thats the issue.

If he were to come here, LB would break him like he broke Darko.
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Post#31 » by Paydro70 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:30 am

Do I not understand your point about usage rate? Beasley's is very high, that's not a sign of things being "made easier for him," that's a sign that the team leans very heavily on him for scoring. If he's not asked to produce offense on a level higher than Carlos Boozer, maybe he'd be a bit more efficient.
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Post#32 » by DY_nasty » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:17 am

Paydro70 wrote:Do I not understand your point about usage rate? Beasley's is very high, that's not a sign of things being "made easier for him," that's a sign that the team leans very heavily on him for scoring. If he's not asked to produce offense on a level higher than Carlos Boozer, maybe he'd be a bit more efficient.

His usage rate is very high. His production doesn't match it all - thats what I was talking about. The Heat do a lot to see that he gets opportunities to score and be a part of the offense, still his numbers are average at best. There are tons of young guys in the league that flourish the second they get an offensive set run for them (Roddy B), but Beasley is getting those kinds of opportunities every night and hasn't made the most of them.

Its clear that Miami wants Beasley to step up, and they have every right to ask their top pick to do so. But its even more clear that Beasley either isn't capable or simply isn't ready. If he's not capable, then Miami should cut its losses as soon as possible and try to get something out of him while he still has value. If he's just not ready... geez... that sucks too because you'd be hard pressed to find a better situation for a young 3/4 hybrid to prosper. One could even say that Miami has gone out of its way to make sure that Beasley'd be successful there. I mean, just imagine how Kevin Love would look down in Miami under the same circumstances...

Sorry if I didn't come across clear in my previous post.

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