2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[enetric]

Jersey Generals I would love to hear your response the question I asked of you. As that your response didnt make sense to me or VC4pres.

You utterly fail to see that the max contracts are going to be sign and trades, that's all. By taking on rookie scale contracts, you're not hurting yourself, you're helping your cause by the fact that now you can trade them. That's not to say you should take on crap along with those rookie contracts, but if you get Love without any other salary, I don't see how you turn that down. As long as a trade does not disrupt one slot for a max contract, that's all that really matters.

Oh, and I would appreaciate it if you didn't say "it didn't make sense to Vince," he's a big boy, he can speak for himself. And posting a Highlander picture makes it seem like he understood it, don't you?

First off, I havent looked closely to who woulfd end up with what trade restrctions if we were to actually make some of these move now here in June, 3 weeks prior to free agency...I will leave that to someone else. Next, turning long term contracts into rookie scale contracts or short term expiring deals is a good thing. No argument there. But turning ones that are coming off the books, now? Is not the absolute sure why not move you are making it sould like.

Next, I think something was lost in translation from all the back and forth. I am not against having trade assets...you know again if they can actually be re-traded right away and do not get in the way of signing someone better on our own.

I was dead set agains the Prince trade, which was simply put awful. The Love deal, I said simply wouldnt happen. First off the trade idea was far fetched, we were getting way too much with Rubio, etc. And my comments were from there more about did we make our best use of cap space?

Why? I believe we can get a better second free agents in the 10-13 mil range range than give up chips we have now, and flexibility we have now. I am not against a Love. Hell, I said a while back had we landed Wall go after a Marc Gasol for Devin....similar thought althought I was trying to fill a need and create more cap space not less But, turning guys we can take off the books like Dooling for a medicore player like Beasley? Yeah...wouldnt do that in June of 2010. Big picture that is not a better move. if it were, why is evey GM is doing the opposite?


As for the notion that all moves will be S&T...no dont agree with that. I do believe certain guys yeah you will need to S&T to get there...but again I happen to think we can do better going for the second guy making less than the max...especially among the big men.

In addition you are assuming the other team will take what you are offering for the S&T...and again that those pieces can be dealt right away.

As for the last part of what you said about referencing other comments by other posters...if they are relavent I will reference them. And the Hghlander comment...or picture...did you really just ask me if that told me anything relavent whatsoever to this conversation?

BTW...i dont think we disagree completely here. You took a specific comment out of context...or rather took it too litteral. There are trades I would make. But when you say you disagree with me in the trade giving up the #3 for the #7, Yi, CDR, Humphries, for the chance to get a veteran 11mil SF before going after Lebron...and saying that after a trade that had us getting a fortune more from Minny...I mean...sheesh that sends a mix signal.

One last thing. You cant just say OK get rook contract and bam S&T. You still have to check restrrictions and salary matching for the plan. A hey...lets just trade and figure it out later can end up costing you not only the second max guy...which by the way is the one thing I have not argued against once...but can get you out of the running to sign that 13 mill guy you could have done without anyone's help had you kept your flexibility.

I have my doubts we can sign a second max guy is my point...and where I think we agree. I just feel we can do better with the cap space that we can with trading it away in many of these issues at this point of the year.

[enetric]

You really are a fool.

Get it through your head. Why in the world would we give 11 mil in cap plus other assets to add a veteran guy who will not spread the floor and plays the same position as the guy we want to go after? Bigger question...why would HE have an extra enticement to come here after that rediculously BAD TRADE?

Its 11mil in cap space. Yes, 7-8mil in the exchange...but 11 mil of OUR TEAM's CAP committed to that guy. Which means instead of us trying to move out Yi, Humphries and CDR to get to the 12-13 mil in space for a MUCH BETTER free agent than we would have in Tay Prince...you know a guy who might play another spot...while KEEPING the VASTLY better #3...and yes in this draft...if you told me you were trading #7 for #17 I would be less upset than #3 for #7!!!!!! It is a MAJOR change for a player...NO ONE WANTS...NO ONE NEEDS...and you did absoluitely NOTHING to help this team long term. NOTHING. You made a horrible trade. Your entire justification is about not getting two max guys this year.

But that has NOTHING to do with why pretty much everyone can see your trade ideas SUCK MONKEY NUTS. Why you clearly have no understanding of how this thing works. WHy this trade is TERRIBLE.

As for telling you what you think...I am not. I can see like everyone else, you have been telling us over and over and almost everyone has called you out on it. You are looking for anything rather than nothing. Your are the king of mediocore moves just for the hell of it. All you care about is adding crap pieces because hey they are slightly better than what we have. With 12 wins...how in the world can you justify Tay Prince for a year over a #3 pick, Yi, CDR, Humphries and deliberately filling the position in line up that the guy we most covet plays?????

You area a joke the more you continue to concede nothing. Truly a giant ass clown.

Again, what we're talking about does not take a novel to reply. You can easily put your thoughts that have any relevance to what we're talking about into 2 paragraphs max. Until you do i wont be reading anything you write.

Really? I am crushed. Its your wasted education, not mine.

[enetric]

I keep seeing CDR as a potential player to trade away for cap space.. Not really sure I understand. Sure the guy is a pain in the ass and is inmature as hell, but all of that was noticeable because we didn't have a real coach to call him on it. With Avery that all changes. He still remains a rather talented player.. he could be an elite 6th man one of these days because he CAN score. Despite being thin he can finish inside.. besides, dude is making less than a mil next season. Any trade he's involved in wouldn't really provide much cap space, we'd be practically giving him away, something I sure as hell don't wanna do.

..and if we really do need that extra mil, I'd rather trade Courtney ''can't pass or hit a layup to save his life'' Lee. He's a dime a dozen, there are a ton of players that can be plugged in at the 2 spot and do everything he does but better.

I think CDR was more about...we hold an option so if its getting from 12-13 mil for example...its a eay fix. Could deal the #27 pick away also.

BTW...I think I still prefer Lee to CDR upside wise.

[demens]

I just think you're overlooking the fact that the max contracts are going to be sign and trades, that's all. By taking on rookie scale contracts, you're not hurting yourself, you're helping your cause by the fact that now you can trade them. That's not to say you should take on crap along with those rookie contracts, but if you get Love without any other salary, I don't see how you turn that down. As long as a trade does not disrupt one slot for a max contract, that's all that really matters.

You said neither one of us is right. The above seems like a fair summery of what i would like to see happen, so why i am wrong? You're ok with taking on rookie deals, the only others ideas i had were AK and Prince. Both expiring, so they dont hurt us either. Prince would not disrupt one slot for a max, AK would but there is no reason to get him before trying our luck in Free Agency so it doesn't matter.

[enetric]

The fact that you would want to deliberately take on 1 year overpaid contracts in June when you arent trying to dump salary is the primary issue. The fact that every one of these clowns is also an overpaid SF adds to why these trades are absurd when you look at the free agent market. Last, you actually give up assets to acquire one of these make no difference players.

There are better players to be had as free agents. The fact that you covet the names you covet is bizzare. These trade ideas are terrible.

[lurkingobeiscity]

I keep seeing CDR as a potential player to trade away for cap space.. Not really sure I understand. Sure the guy is a pain in the ass and is inmature as hell, but all of that was noticeable because we didn't have a real coach to call him on it. With Avery that all changes. He still remains a rather talented player.. he could be an elite 6th man one of these days because he CAN score. Despite being thin he can finish inside.. besides, dude is making less than a mil next season. Any trade he's involved in wouldn't really provide much cap space, we'd be practically giving him away, something I sure as hell don't wanna do.

..and if we really do need that extra mil, I'd rather trade Courtney ''can't pass or hit a layup to save his life'' Lee. He's a dime a dozen, there are a ton of players that can be plugged in at the 2 spot and do everything he does but better.

I think CDR was more about...we hold an option so if its getting from 12-13 mil for example...its a eay fix. Could deal the #27 pick away also.

BTW...I think I still prefer Lee to CDR upside wise.

I think after the attention CDR drew to himself on the internet and being relegated to Kiki's doghouse, people have begun to view him as a source of the Nets' problems rather than a victim of problems that already existed. He's young, immature and accessible (the same could be said for Lopez except he doesn't put himself out there on the internet), but all that is readily accepted and changed on a good team, with a good coach and stable management.

Cutting him/not picking up his option was never an option. He makes about 400,000 more than what an empty roster spot would cost us against the cap.

Between him and Lee, I think CDR is the more talented and valuable player but Lee fits the defender/shooter mold that is useful on any team. I don't think Lee has the length, explosiveness or craftiness to ever be a true scorer with the ball - and I already know he doesn't have great floor vision for passing.



Demens:

What I don't get is that after a 12 win season, after record losing streaks, after multiple coaches, after front office power struggles, after massive injuries, after construction delays and money problems.......... NOW is when you are pessimistic. Now, when the new billionaire owner is certified, when the arena is cleared for construction, when the team has a top 3 pick, when the team has cap space to spend and the players available to spend it on, when Lopez, Lee, CDR, TWill, are entering their 2nd or 3rd years having shown major signs of improvement...... THIS is the time you choose to act all doom and gloom. Its as if it got so dark you convinced yourself that dawn couldn't come.

[lurkingobeiscity]

I just think you're overlooking the fact that the max contracts are going to be sign and trades, that's all. By taking on rookie scale contracts, you're not hurting yourself, you're helping your cause by the fact that now you can trade them. That's not to say you should take on crap along with those rookie contracts, but if you get Love without any other salary, I don't see how you turn that down. As long as a trade does not disrupt one slot for a max contract, that's all that really matters.

You said neither one of us is right. The above seems like a fair summery of what i would like to see happen, so why i am wrong? You're ok with taking on rookie deals, the only others ideas i had were AK and Prince. Both expiring, so they dont hurt us either. Prince would not disrupt one slot for a max, AK would but there is no reason to get him before trying our luck in Free Agency so it doesn't matter.

The reason you don't make the moves for an AK or Prince is because those guys are always available. Sure Prince may be moved in a week and we'd have missed our chance but a SG/SF just as good as him will still be on the market. Getting those guys reduces our cap flexibility and costs assets - the two things that always come in handy when the true stars go on the market. Those stars are usually only available through draft (we're already doing that right now with the 3rd pick) and trade. In those trades for stars (Garnett, R. Allen, Gasol....etc.) the trading team isn't looking for AK or Prince. They are looking for cap flexibility and youth.


Jersey Generals:

I think you are off on all the max deals being S&Traded. The complications of a deal having to simultaneously satisfy more parties will prevent S&Ts that contain talent (because no star wants to deplete the team they are going to), and salary (because no team wants to take on 17 mil of useless contracts when they can get a TE). Additionally teams simply don't want to give guys like Amare that extra money so it behooves them to make half-hearted S&T offers to teams like the Suns, since the player's mindset is that he is leaving anyway, the team should just take what they can get.

Instead a team like TOR is going to to try and parlay a TE from losing Bosh into a good player at SF, PF or C.

In the specific case of Love, his value outweighs any lost flexibility and he is always movable, but what would we be losing in that scenario anyway?

[demens]

I think you're confusing pessimism with realism. We're not getting Lebron, we're not getting 2 max free agents and we're not getting Phil. Thats not pessimism, im very optimistic about the Nets future actually i just know that those particular things are not part of it.

The reason you don't make the moves for an AK or Prince is because those guys are always available. Sure Prince may be moved in a week and we'd have missed our chance but a SG/SF just as good as him will still be on the market. Getting those guys reduces our cap flexibility and costs assets - the two things that always come in handy when the true stars go on the market. Those stars are usually only available through draft (we're already doing that right now with the 3rd pick) and trade. In those trades for stars (Garnett, R. Allen, Gasol....etc.) the trading team isn't looking for AK or Prince. They are looking for cap flexibility and youth.

You are wrong on both accounts and here is why. Trading for AK doesn't cost us cap flexibility or any assets because thats a move you make AFTER Lebron turns us down and the cap flexibility is useless. AK expires the next year so he doesn't cost us any cap flexibility for that year either. I think you've been reading the idiotic responses to my posts too much that misinterpret everything i say to mean something completely opposite.

Prince would cost a little cap, just 7 million to exact which does not hurt us in chasing a max free agent either. It doesn't change our position in any way since we can't afford a 2nd max without a trade whether we trade for him or not. As far as assets, we'd be getting a top 7 pick this year and a top 10(or better) next year. How exactly do you see this as costing us assets? Its ADDING assets, its adding youth, its adding peaces we can later trade. Do you think the 3rd pick is a guaranteed superstar and the 7th pick is gutter trash? I dont. And Prince, like AK, also expires next year so again we can do this free agency dance all over again, expect this time we wont be luring superstars with a team that won 12 games.

I think you are off on all the max deals being S&Traded. The complications of a deal having to simultaneously satisfy more parties will prevent S&Ts that contain talent (because no star wants to deplete the team they are going to), and salary (because no team wants to take on 17 mil of useless contracts when they can get a TE).

This wasn't addressed to me, but i'll put my 2 cents in anyway. You are correct, there can be complications in S&T, but what everyone seems to somehow totally ignore is that those complications exist RIGHT NOW, AS IT IS. We're NOT in a position to sign 2 max guys, we either have to trade someone to clear the cap, or trade someone in the sign and trade. You are using issues that already exists as a negative and a reason to turn down further deals, that seems counter productive.

In the specific case of Love, his value outweighs any lost flexibility and he is always movable, but what would we be losing in that scenario anyway?

What are you saying? You're NOT against trading for Love?

[deviljets7]

Prince would cost a little cap, just 7 million to exact which does not hurt us in chasing a max free agent either. It doesn't change our position in any way since we can't afford a 2nd max without a trade whether we trade for him or not.

It may not directly hurt in chasing a max free agent (since there is still enough cap room), but with that $7 million you have forfeited the ability to acquire long-term assets either through signing secondary free agents (say you actually convinced LeBron to come, you could have used that $7 mil to get a solid PF or some outside shooters, etc.). You have also forfeited the ability to leverage that cap space into prospects and picks (ie: OKC trades for Eric Maynor or Kurt Thomas + 2 1st rounders). I have no problem with sacrificing some of the cap space for a long-term asset (or assets). You're trades gives up that space so we can rent a 31-year-old SF.

As far as assets, we'd be getting a top 7 pick this year and a top 10(or better) next year. How exactly do you see this as costing us assets? Its ADDING assets, its adding youth, its adding peaces we can later trade. Do you think the 3rd pick is a guaranteed superstar and the 7th pick is gutter trash? I dont.

The NBA is a star league. There are few stars and second tier youth/assets are a dime a dozen (see your CDRs of the world). With this supply and demand and star league (with the exception of that one Pistons team, ever title team had a top 5 players and a top 20 player in the league on the roster), as a result a quarter is worth more than 2 dimes and a nickel. It's about adding quality assets. CDR, pick #27, pick #31 are assets, but they aren't quality assets, ones that can become difference makers.

On a separate note, I am not a fan of Aminu at all, but that's another story.

And Prince, like AK, also expires next year so again we can do this free agency dance all over again, expect this time we wont be luring superstars with a team that won 12 games.

Come on, you really think a Carmelo Anthony is going to be wooed by the fact that renting Prince or AK led this team to 30 wins instead of 25? It's all well and good that thanks to guys like David Lee, Al Harrington and Larry Hughes the Knicks won 29 games instead of 15, but what did that accomplish when said players aren't going to be there next year?

The Prince trade idea is an asinine one for multiple reasons. You have traded the Nets 2nd most valuable asset (pick #3) and given up $7 million in cap space while at the same time
1: failing to address the biggest hole on the team (PF).
2. failing to address the second biggest issue on the team (the utter inability to shoot from the outside).
3. you traded for 3 guys which basically play the same position/do the same thing. Prince is slashing SF and Jerebko/Aminu are slashing SF/PF tweeners.

Even in the misguided goal of striving to be 1st round bait for BOS/ORL, it's a flawed way.

[demens]

It may not directly hurt in chasing a max free agent (since there is still enough cap room), but with that $7 million you have forfeited the ability to acquire long-term assets either through signing secondary free agents (say you actually convinced LeBron to come, you could have used that $7 mil to get a solid PF or some outside shooters, etc.). You have also forfeited the ability to leverage that cap space into prospects and picks (ie: OKC trades for Eric Maynor or Kurt Thomas + 2 1st rounders). I have no problem with sacrificing some of the cap space for a long-term asset (or assets). You're trades gives up that space so we can rent a 31-year-old SF.

Ok now we're getting somewhere. As oppose for using that money on Prince, you suggest 2 alternatives. 1 is to sign a lower tier FA or 2 to use the cap in a trade to like the Maynor trade. The 2nd option is once again, still a possibility if we do trade for Prince.

Option 1 is where its at. So here is my question, with that extra $7 millon, who exactly is it that you think you can sign? Please dont give me the hypothetical "solid PF" or "outside shooter", i'm talking about a specific player here, Tayshaun Prince, are you really that certain you will sign a better player with that money? You sure guys are gonna be lining up? Because Prince has no choice, if he is traded he plays, your alternative is unknown. Then answer my follow question, lets say maybe you do find a player who is better then Prince with that cap money, what kind of deal will you be offering that guy? Because even if you find some quality guy in that price range its very unlikely that player will be looking for 1 year deals wouldn't you agree? That means you'll be locked with this mediocre player long term. So considering that you dont actually have a specific alternative in mind that is a better player then Prince, all you have is an unknown that will likely get a long term deal, i would rather take on Prince as a 1 year rental.

The NBA is a star league. There are few stars and second tier youth/assets are a dime a dozen (see your CDRs of the world). With this supply and demand and star league (with the exception of that one Pistons team, ever title team had a top 5 players and a top 20 player in the league on the roster), as a result a quarter is worth more than 2 dimes and a nickel. It's about adding quality assets. CDR, pick #27, pick #31 are assets, but they aren't quality assets, ones that can become difference makers.

On a separate note, I am not a fan of Aminu at all, but that's another story.

By all means, go chase your star. Go chase Lebron, go chase Melo next year for the millionth time my proposals still leave plenty of room for that to be possible. Not only that, they actually HELP our chances in acquiring one in a trade if this whole Free Agency things leads to nowhere. Rather then talking hypothetical here in who might or might not be willing to come here because of all this cap, we continue to stack up talent, ASSETS that can be used in a trade. Assets like Beasley or Love or Randolph or Aminu or a 10th pick next year. Those are VALUABLE assets, you bring up CDR, #27 and #31, why? Is it the same old apples and oranges argument? I can't stand CDR and i think he is worthless, #27 and #31 picks aren't high value assets, do you really not see a difference between that and the assets that i mentioned?

Come on, you really think a Carmelo Anthony is going to be wooed by the fact that renting Prince or AK led this team to 30 wins instead of 25?

AK can be resigned and retained for a fraction of the cost plus the youth we added would be developing. I dont know where you're getting these win totals from but i can pull a few out of my ass too and they will be just as true. I can tell you what Carmelo wont be impressed by, team supposedly getting ready for a big future being the worst team in the league in back to back years which is something a few of you seem pretty comfortable with.

The Prince trade idea is an asinine one for multiple reasons. You have traded the Nets 2nd most valuable asset (pick #3) and given up $7 million in cap space while at the same time
1: failing to address the biggest hole on the team (PF).
2. failing to address the second biggest issue on the team (the utter inability to shoot from the outside).
3. you traded for 3 guys which basically play the same position/do the same thing. Prince is slashing SF and Jerebko/Aminu are slashing SF/PF tweeners.

I've gotten back tons of value for the Nets #3 pick which may or may not end up a complete bust.

1. Displays some more reading comprehensions issues that seem to be infecting this site.

Do you remember the top Free Agent targets for the summer? I mean the ones we were all excited about back when everyone thought we would get Wall? The ones we sort of forgot about since we are most likely to draft Favors? Yeah i'm not talking about Lebron, im talking about all those PFs we wanted, all those guys address our biggest hole*. And IF we were to draft a SF with the 7th pick instead of a PF with the 3rd it would actually make sense to go and get Amare, or Boozer or Lee. You dont like that option how about you DRAFT a PF with the 7th pick. Ohh, drafting a raw PF with the 3rd address our need but drafting one with the 7th pick doesn't? Is there a double standard of some sort. Ed Davis will be there, Pat Patterson will be there, even Monroe might be there. I asked this before, how exactly is #3 assured to be a superstar and #7 is a future CDR, i mean scrub? You're all acting like you see 5 years in the future and thats exactly how it went down.

2. Outside shooting. You fail again. 1st off, how exactly does YOUR plan address outside shooting? Ohh get one in freeagecy? Guess what, we can still do that. Even we get a max there will be around $4mil still left to get a shooter. Reason you're #2, Tayshaun Prince is a 37% career 3 point shooter. Reason your wrong #3 who said we HAVE TO draft Aminu. All you know Wes Johnson could fall there. If you'd like you can grab Paul George with that pick who is a scorching shooter. Ohh and btw you still have those #27 and #31 picks.

3. What? Jerebko and Prince are the same type of players? I dont think this even needs a reply.

*Calling this teams biggest hole the PF spot is very arguable. We have just as big a whole at SF and you need to take that into account when it comes to the draft and free agent targets. We obviously need to fill both whole.

Whats better, draft a PF (Favors), sign a SF (Lebron) or draft a SF (Wes), sign a PF (Amare). The 1st alternative is obviously the better one but which one is more realistic? The said thing is that Wes really is in the discussion for the 3rd pick but thats really reaching. If we trade down we dont have to reach. We can fill the SF spot with a quality VETERAN (also something you seem to be ignoring) and a rookie stud with tons of potential and get our PF in FA like originally planned.

[enetric]

I have to say in all the years...of seeing morons think they know what they are talking about...this guy takes the cake. Truly the least informed, worst understanding of just about anything we have been talking about. He is wrong on basically every single thing that comes out of his mouth. How does he walk and chew gum at the same time?

I feel bad you guys have had to be subjected to this putz thse last couple of months. Cant stress enough...please check the IP address JJ or Rich...he was banned before.

[enetric]

Would love to have feedback on them working out against each other...but it looks like this is the closest we will get.



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Kings Notes: Cousins, Favors slated to work out Saturday
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By Jason Jones
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Published: Thursday, Jun. 10, 2010 - 1:14 am | Page 4C
Last Modified: Thursday, Jun. 10, 2010 - 6:29 pm
Having already hosted six of the premier post prospects this week, the Kings will hold a predraft workout with perhaps the two best big men in this year's class.

Kentucky's DeMarcus Cousins and Georgia Tech's Derrick Favors, both freshmen, will work out for the Kings on Saturday.

The Kings hold the fifth overall pick in the June 24 NBA draft, and there is a chance at least one of those players will be available when Sacramento selects.

The Kings' biggest need is players who can add size, frontcourt scoring, rebounding and a defensive presence. Cousins or Favors could help immediately.

Cousins generally is considered the best center available. Favors is seen as the best power forward available.

The conditioning and maturity of Cousins (6-foot-11, 290 pounds) have been questioned, but not his talent. He averaged 15.1 points and 9.8 rebounds at Kentucky.

Favors (6-10, 245) averaged 12.4 points and 8.4 rebounds with Georgia Tech. His athleticism, which allows him to rebound and block shots, is considered a plus.

The Kings hosted Cole Aldrich, Daniel Orton, Ryan Richards, Ekpe Udoh and Hassan Whiteside on Tuesday. Georgetown power forward Greg Monroe had an individual workout with the Kings on Sunday.



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[enetric]

You know, I havent even had a chance to speak to the silly Ak scenario this doofus keeps metioning.

I havent seen the actual trade proposal so for fun someone ask Demens-iocre to detail it.

But you have ot love that anyone would defend persuing a guy in June who will make more than Lebron will next year at 17.8mil on our books...and this guy does what for us that Twill wouldnt if we dont land Lebron? How long term does this make a miuch better team? if AK were a free agent based on his play the last 3 years...would you give him 8 mil per year let alone 18 for any ONE year????I think Utah would PAY someone to take that contract.

I loved AK. But he has become a hot mess on a bad contract barely worth an MLE. You dont need to trade for that guy if you covet him. Wait a summer. he will be there as a your bench backup for that MLE sized offer....and you know what? give him more than 3 years and you will reget it at that price!

Tis guy has to be pulling our leg. No one can be this horrible at trades. Seriously. This is just comical.

[Pugsley_2491]

Does anyone else feel that since we got Avery, it greatly reduces the chances of us picking Cousins?

[Preludepunk27]

Yeah but Avery kept the headcase that is named Josh Howard under control during his tenure. I think Cousins would get in line under Avery.

With that said, I still don't want Cousins on this team.

[ChampionRed]

Couldn't have said it better myself, prelude. I haven't really been following all the rumors lately (stupid work and summer night class) but has there been any rumors that have the Nets dangling their 27th and 31st pick?

[Jersey Generals]

You know, I havent even had a chance to speak to the silly Ak scenario this doofus keeps metioning.

I havent seen the actual trade proposal so for fun someone ask Demens-iocre to detail it.

But you have ot love that anyone would defend persuing a guy in June who will make more than Lebron will next year at 17.8mil on our books...and this guy does what for us that Twill wouldnt if we dont land Lebron? How long term does this make a miuch better team? if AK were a free agent based on his play the last 3 years...would you give him 8 mil per year let alone 18 for any ONE year????I think Utah would PAY someone to take that contract.

I loved AK. But he has become a hot mess on a bad contract barely worth an MLE. You dont need to trade for that guy if you covet him. Wait a summer. he will be there as a your bench backup for that MLE sized offer....and you know what? give him more than 3 years and you will reget it at that price!

Tis guy has to be pulling our leg. No one can be this horrible at trades. Seriously. This is just comical.

Doofus? Come on, dude, no need for that.

[enetric]

You know, I havent even had a chance to speak to the silly Ak scenario this doofus keeps metioning.

I havent seen the actual trade proposal so for fun someone ask Demens-iocre to detail it.

But you have ot love that anyone would defend persuing a guy in June who will make more than Lebron will next year at 17.8mil on our books...and this guy does what for us that Twill wouldnt if we dont land Lebron? How long term does this make a miuch better team? if AK were a free agent based on his play the last 3 years...would you give him 8 mil per year let alone 18 for any ONE year????I think Utah would PAY someone to take that contract.

I loved AK. But he has become a hot mess on a bad contract barely worth an MLE. You dont need to trade for that guy if you covet him. Wait a summer. he will be there as a your bench backup for that MLE sized offer....and you know what? give him more than 3 years and you will reget it at that price!

Tis guy has to be pulling our leg. No one can be this horrible at trades. Seriously. This is just comical.

Doofus? Come on, dude, no need for that.

Yeah there really is a need at this point if you read how it all broke down and how many personalized comments he had for oh so many. I reacted and will continue to react as I see fit. get over it.

Now, it would be nice to hear you actually weigh in on something of subtance already rather than just playing hall monitor. Get on with some hoops points beyond, you agree...you disagree...actually contribute something already. Start with the Ak thing, that would be nice. An entire conversation and doofus was all you had a comment on? Unless you are his Mama or wife...and as that you clearly have an issue with anyone speaking for anyone else...maybe its time for you to get off the damn fence already.

And I honestly dont care where you fall. Just make sure you back up your arguments, support a point...debate from the other side...just dear lord SAY SOMETHING already.

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Does anyone else feel that since we got Avery, it greatly reduces the chances of us picking Cousins?

Interesting comment. What makes you say that?

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Yeah there really is a need at this point if you read how it all broke down and how many personalized comments he had for oh so many. I reacted and will continue to react as I see fit. get over it.

React all you want, you just make yourself look like a child.

Now, it would be nice to hear you actually weigh in on something of subtance already rather than just playing hall monitor. Get on with some hoops points beyond, you agree...you disagree...actually contribute something already. Start with the Ak thing, that would be nice. An entire conversation and doofus was all you had a comment on? Unless you are his Mama or wife...and as that you clearly have an issue with anyone speaking for anyone else...maybe its time for you to get off the damn fence already.

I've said you're both wrong numerous times. I've said I would take on salary as long as it doesn't cut into one max slot. I've said that having dreams of two max slots is unrealistic. I've never been on a fence, but then again, it seems like you're the one who hasn't been paying much attention. I've already had thoughts on the "AK thing" over a month ago when we originally talked about it. I'm not going to repeat myself just because someone asks me to.

And I honestly dont care where you fall. Just make sure you back up your arguments, support a point...debate from the other side...just dear lord SAY SOMETHING already.

I could not care less if you cared where I fall. Seriously, dude, get over yourself.