Anthony Randolph

[old rem]

During Tinsley's rookie season he had a couple of 20/20 games and I bought it hook line and sinker for the next five mediocre seasons. AR has shown rare glimpses of playing at a high level, followed by long-stretches of average play. Indy's next PF must be really tough.

and you watched how many GSW games this year?

[8305]

Whoever plays power forward for the Pacers will have to cover some of Roy Hibbert's weaknesses. Roy will never be a real strong rebounder and as result the guy playing next to him will have to be a physically tough. Anthony Randolph may be a uniquely skilled player but I don't think anyone will ever call him physically tough. Hansbrough while less talented in many ways than Randolph does bring that toughness element. That's why I wouldn't trade him even up for Randolph. This deal calling for value beyond Hansbrough and bringing back Randolph is a complete non starter for me.

[Boneman2]

During Tinsley's rookie season he had a couple of 20/20 games and I bought it hook line and sinker for the next five mediocre seasons. AR has shown rare glimpses of playing at a high level, followed by long-stretches of average play. Indy's next PF must be really tough.

and you watched how many GSW games this year?

I follow the stats and Randolph always seems to be injured. Out of a possible 164 games, he has missed 68 games. Roy Hibbert on the other hand has missed just 13 games out of the same 164, producing very similar stats. I just don't get it. How can AJ play such a vital role for GS, when he's always in a suit? And when he is healthy his output is slighty above Tyler Hansbrough, so I just don't know where all this greatness talk is deriving.

I heard the same rhetoric about Biedrins, and GS fans can't admit that Murphy was their best big. Between the Pacers and Warriors Murphy is hands-down the best big on either roster. IMO the Pacers have two bigs that are superior to AR. AR is nothing to get all excited about, like I said, I'd rather draft Udoh, Davis, Patterson,Monroe, Sanders, Aldrich, Whiteside etc.....

[floppymoose]

AR had a serious ankle sprain which could happen to any player. Aside from that his missed games have been DNP-CD's for the most part, instead of injury.

There is no reason to consider AR injury prone.

As for Murphy being our best big.... ummm, glad you feel that way, I guess?

[Boneman2]

^^^ Exactly. Why do we need AR from GS when we already fleeced them of Murphy.

Take Mike Dunleavy for example, when healthy he is a 19/5/4 player. But because of his injuries we cannot expect that if we trade him that we'll get 19/5/4 value, even though we know Mike is a very good player.

Basically when you're on the Pacer board saying it will cost the #10, future 1st, and Hansbrough just to acquire AR, you're going to hear about it.

Would you give a similar package for Hansbrough? If I put that crap on the GSW board I'd fully expect to get blasted, there is no justification to it.

[floppymoose]

If I'm going to get "blasted" just because of what team I'm a fan of, I expect it to at least be factual, rather than made up stories of AR always seeming to be injured.

[Boneman2]

DNP cds might even be worse than injuries. Why isn't he playing?

[floppymoose]

They were rookie season.

[Scoot McGroot]

I suggested Blake Griffin who "hasn't proven ...etc" in fact,hasn't played. I mentioned "hasn't proven" Hansborough and obviously unproven,unnamed picks. With AR top 50 in scoring + Reb per min,top 20 in blocks...there is a degree of "proven". I'd suggest having his "career game" playing C vs Dwight Howard is something beyond just "pretty good". I'd say Dwight was undeniably impressed.

Ungodly price? Ungodly ought to at least be a bonafide starter...even a fairly good one. Ungodly just ain't what it used to be.Fine. Nothing I'm seeing on the table is a STARTER who gets be jazzed up...and I LIKE TH more than any of those tools on the GSW board. Fact is, Randolph..age TWENTY is already a damn good player ON THE FLOOR.

Scoot...you wanna compare BENDER to Randolph? You think topping Dwight Howard head to head does not even indicate potential? NEVER FRICKIN' MIND. I misjudged you. You are either telling me you are dumber than hell or a faker tossing out total BS and knowing it. Either way, I expected better.

Bender?

Anyhow...I'd just say "ain't trading Randolph,but you can call us next summer". GSW has not been looking to trade him for a lesser prospect,a less usable player or a truckload of bench guys. GSW has backcourt,and basically wants a few more guys like AR who rebound,defend,have some offensive impact. Small group of possibilities,nothing much on the Pacers makes sense.

You suggested essentially 3 lotto picks for Anthony Randolph. The number 10 this year, Tyler Hansbrough last year, and a future pick (which will likely be lotto as well).

That may not be "ungodly" to some people, but to a team with limited resources and for a guy who you're extolling the virtues of based on per minute averages (which guys like Jon Bender and David Harrison used to DOMINATE!!) and one game against Dwight Howard, that's a bit pricey.

Do you see why I might be skeptical? Sure, he might hold a ton of value to GS because they invested a top pick on him, but it just doesn't seem to translate yet, until he can actually play consistently well. Yeah, even if it's Nellie's fault, that does hurt his trade value as it eventually appears like it might be AR's fault if it's been 3 or 4 years of the same.

Scoot...are you trying to compare Randolph to BENDER? Seriouisly? to Harrison? Really?

Either I overestimated your smarts or your honesty. I think you are tossing manure about hopeful some sticks. Cheap stunt,Scoot. Bring your A game. Beat's Dwight head to head? That has to be a pretty F*****g good CLUE that the family dog would grasp. At 20, and not a Center...Randolph can't do that trick every time but SO WHAT 95 % of NBA bigs can't do it EVER. i'm THE GSW guy who's a Hansborough fan. Still...he is to us a real cool OFF THE BENCH role guy...as is what we'd HOPE #10 is.
Would Indy trade Granger for 3 GOOD second string guys? If so...lets do it. AS is, Randolph is a good starter at PF, a great fit to the role/needs. GSW has bench. A 2012 pick, or whatever...totally a raffle ticket. I don't see "unprotected " advertised. GSW has 9 guys who averaged 10+ pt,each started games. Obviously,while we do like depth, we have zero reason to think downgrading a key player is sensible.

Read your own damn ****. I'm not comparing Anthony Randolph to Jon Bender or David Harrison. Never was. I was merely disparaging your use of per minute averages to pump up Anthony Randolph. Those same statistics pumped up Jon Bender and David Harrison as well. There is no comparison in terms of ability, quality, etc, merely the fact that per minute averages cannot and should not be used in valuing a player, nor predicting his future production.



Also, you want to use ONE game against Dwight Howard to herald his value? I'm sorry, but that shows you have no idea. Jeff Foster used to hold Tim Duncan to ungodly low numbers every time the Pacers played the Spurs. Doesn't mean that Indy ever used that fact to then demand 3 lotto picks for the guy.

Every superstar is gunned for. It's the Lakers/Yankees/Notre Dame/Duke Basketball mentality. Every now and again, those super teams have a bad night, but EVERY single night some opponent is gunning for them like it's their Super Bowl. That's the reason a 3-13 pre-Payton Manning Colts knocked off a 14-2 Brett Favre Packers team the season the Packers won the Super Bowl. Doesn't mean the Colts were the best, nor guaranteed for future success. Sometimes, a blind squirrel finds an acorn, or has a matchup they can exploit. It's the nature of sports.

[old rem]

Whoever plays power forward for the Pacers will have to cover some of Roy Hibbert's weaknesses. Roy will never be a real strong rebounder and as result the guy playing next to him will have to be a physically tough. Anthony Randolph may be a uniquely skilled player but I don't think anyone will ever call him physically tough. Hansbrough while less talented in many ways than Randolph does bring that toughness element. That's why I wouldn't trade him even up for Randolph. This deal calling for value beyond Hansbrough and bringing back Randolph is a complete non starter for me.

You don't have to buy a Mercedes Benz,but don't expect them to sell you one at half price. GSW is hardly looking to "unload" Randolph. "Rumors" in this case were off Riley responding to a question, would you trade Randolph,and He replies,We'd have to be getting back someone very special. That got "translated" into "Randolph Available" then " GSW shopping Randolph",then to any of several teams getting him for whoever they were trying to deal.

[old rem]

Per minute is not much good if a guy plays typically 6 min of garbage time. Pops Mensa Bonsu has been a good "per min" guy but his minutes are too limited. The point here is that a player who plays 20-27 min. obviously can be playing high level but the "per game" numbers will look low relative to a guy playing 38 min. Bender seldom played 20-30 min. Harrison probably should have turned out better,but
there was never the sense that playing 30,he gets 16/10. Harrison also hit his plateau,and never seemed to want to go further.

Randolph not only contained Dwight, AR had his career high scoring and 13 boards. Soon after,he had an 8 shot block game.....not a lot of those from guys 20 yr old,especially ones with the handles to bring the ball upcourt,play a SF role. When AR got 30+ min he tended to get 10+ bpoards and 15+pt with a couple of blocks. Those of us who SEE him see that it's still tip of the iceberg stuff. Experience will refine skills he has had but can further refine. He's very much a guy now who needs to have some trial and error,to tune in "what works'. He's an apprentice with a deluxe tool kit,a lot of creativity,who's yet to get turned loose to learn what you only learn by doing it.

Spin it however...Those who have seen most of Randolph's game have a good idea that there's some scarce talent there. If at his age...he just levels off, he's still a great fit for what we need at PF

[Boneman2]

^^ If he is a SF then we really don't need him because Granger is working out just fine. Granger is certainly capable of playing in the post too. Randolph has value but not with the Pacers.

[Scoot McGroot]

Spin it however...Those who have seen most of Randolph's game have a good idea that there's some scarce talent there. If at his age...he just levels off, he's still a great fit for what we need at PF

So he has very little talent? He's deficient of talent? Then why are you so high on him? Is it opposite day?

[floppymoose]

It's as if he said you had rare reading comprehension skills. I don't see a problem with his usage.

The talent is not in abundance in the world. That doesn't mean it's not in abundance in the player.

[Scoot McGroot]

It's as if he said you had rare reading comprehension skills. I don't see a problem with his usage.

The talent is not in abundance in the world. That doesn't mean it's not in abundance in the player.

I read it as saying that there's scarce talent in Randolph's game. That would mean he's lacking in talent. At least, I would assume that would read pretty clear.

[floppymoose]

The way he wrote it is fine.