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Magilla_Gorilla wrote:So Woj still hasn't answered me on why its okay for izzo to play pussy foot, but he calls Thibs a douche for not immediately taking NO's offer.
Winglish wrote:Death once had a near Doug experience.
Being told Cavs players - yes, including that one - are less than thrilled by the process and overall direction post Ferry and Brown.
Winglish wrote:Death once had a near Doug experience.
singal3 wrote:http://twitter.com/samickFanHouseBeing told Cavs players - yes, including that one - are less than thrilled by the process and overall direction post Ferry and Brown.
Things have gone south pretty quickly for the cavs, and lebron has yet to rescue them. I'm starting to believe he's gone.
Being told Cavs players - yes, including that one - are less than thrilled by the process and overall direction post Ferry and Brown.
Cavs coaching search seems close to unraveling. Izzo uncertain, Scott thinking twice, now Woodson and Shaw in mix. Bird in hand... http://twitter.com/samickFanHouse
One more thing sources say Izzo's trying to gauge about chances to re-sign MVP: Who in organization has strong relationship with LeBron?
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA
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Rerisen wrote:Out of all the names mentioned for the Cavs in the last few pages, they couldn't go wrong with coach Wooden. LeBron wouldn't turn a legend down.
singal3 wrote:http://twitter.com/samickFanHouseBeing told Cavs players - yes, including that one - are less than thrilled by the process and overall direction post Ferry and Brown.
Things have gone south pretty quickly for the cavs, and lebron has yet to rescue them. I'm starting to believe he's gone.
PlayoffRose wrote:Tom Thibodeau is a top assistant in the NBA, who is the mastermind of the some of the top defenses in the NBA in the past 10 years. In addition, he has one NBA championship ring, and in on his way to a second NBA championship ring.
What has Tom Izzo done in the NBA. Jack. Nada. Tom Izzo best case scenario is a Scott Skiles, and his other scenarios are the likes of college failures in the NBA. Scott Skiles would smoke Tom Izzo butt in X and O in any day of the week.
Both guys are unproven are head coaches in the NBA. But, I would wager that Tom Thibodeau would get more respect from guys like Kobe, LBJ, and KG than some overrated college coach. If Tom Izzo goes to the NBA, he will fail.
If you want to argue against history, name me a college coach who has made a successful transition to the NBA in the past 20 years.
coldfish wrote:I feel bad for Cavs fans. This looks like a train wreck. Of course, the Bulls looked like a train wreck 10 weeks ago and now look like they are sitting pretty. Things change quickly. Regardless, as others are noting, Cleveland is giving away its edge.
imagge wrote:PlayoffRose wrote:Tom Thibodeau is a top assistant in the NBA, who is the mastermind of the some of the top defenses in the NBA in the past 10 years. In addition, he has one NBA championship ring, and in on his way to a second NBA championship ring.
What has Tom Izzo done in the NBA. Jack. Nada. Tom Izzo best case scenario is a Scott Skiles, and his other scenarios are the likes of college failures in the NBA. Scott Skiles would smoke Tom Izzo butt in X and O in any day of the week.
Both guys are unproven are head coaches in the NBA. But, I would wager that Tom Thibodeau would get more respect from guys like Kobe, LBJ, and KG than some overrated college coach. If Tom Izzo goes to the NBA, he will fail.
If you want to argue against history, name me a college coach who has made a successful transition to the NBA in the past 20 years.
Larry Brown but that was 22 yrs ago
Ben B. wrote:coldfish wrote:I feel bad for Cavs fans. This looks like a train wreck. Of course, the Bulls looked like a train wreck 10 weeks ago and now look like they are sitting pretty. Things change quickly. Regardless, as others are noting, Cleveland is giving away its edge.
Yeah, but again, things really can change quickly. Last Wednesday heathmalc posted an unverified news story--later refuted-- claiming that Izzo would definitely be signing with the Cavs. At that point the few Cav fans on their board felt pretty darned good about their chances of retaining Lebron. Now, a few days later, things are in disarray. But if Izzo accepts or if they get Brian Shaw, who has played in the NBA and can run the triangle, I could see them feeling in control again. They still need to make a significant trade, IMO. We shall see.
PlayoffRose wrote:If you want to argue against history, name me a college coach who has made a successful transition to the NBA in the past 20 years.
DuckIII wrote:PlayoffRose wrote:If you want to argue against history, name me a college coach who has made a successful transition to the NBA in the past 20 years.
Name a college coach that didn't take a **** job on a rebuilding team in the last 20 years. Its about the talent far more than the coaching. I can also make a long list of NBA coaches failing in the NBA in the last 20 years because they were saddled with hot garbage.
This argument - which sadly is emphasized by superficial media analysis as well - is strikingly akin to the "pfft, Garnett isn't a winner and can't close" arguments so popular a few years ago. Talent trumps. Give Izzo LeBron and a comparable roster, and it stays a 60 win team.
Ajosu wrote:DuckIII wrote:PlayoffRose wrote:If you want to argue against history, name me a college coach who has made a successful transition to the NBA in the past 20 years.
Name a college coach that didn't take a **** job on a rebuilding team in the last 20 years. Its about the talent far more than the coaching. I can also make a long list of NBA coaches failing in the NBA in the last 20 years because they were saddled with hot garbage.
This argument - which sadly is emphasized by superficial media analysis as well - is strikingly akin to the "pfft, Garnett isn't a winner and can't close" arguments so popular a few years ago. Talent trumps. Give Izzo LeBron and a comparable roster, and it stays a 60 win team.
I know this wasn't the point you were making, but it really hit the nail on the head for me. It's about talent far more than the coaching. This is why throwing $30mil at Izzo isn't going to convince Lebron to stay. If he stays, it's probably a combination of both feeling that he can win in Cleveland, and loyalty.
Ben B. wrote:imagge wrote:PlayoffRose wrote:Tom Thibodeau is a top assistant in the NBA, who is the mastermind of the some of the top defenses in the NBA in the past 10 years. In addition, he has one NBA championship ring, and in on his way to a second NBA championship ring.
What has Tom Izzo done in the NBA. Jack. Nada. Tom Izzo best case scenario is a Scott Skiles, and his other scenarios are the likes of college failures in the NBA. Scott Skiles would smoke Tom Izzo butt in X and O in any day of the week.
Both guys are unproven are head coaches in the NBA. But, I would wager that Tom Thibodeau would get more respect from guys like Kobe, LBJ, and KG than some overrated college coach. If Tom Izzo goes to the NBA, he will fail.
If you want to argue against history, name me a college coach who has made a successful transition to the NBA in the past 20 years.
Larry Brown but that was 22 yrs ago
But Brown had coached successfully in the NBA before coaching in college, so he really didn't have to make a transition to the NBA after his collegiate national championship.
then he made his first successful transition to the ABA