Bring Back the Fro

CAM · Post #1 » by **CAM** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:12 am

It seems to me that the energy and versatility of J Chill could really help re-ignite this team.

I really miss watching this guy play and I'd hate it if were to be on a team other than the Hawks. I know in the past that Josh has seeked s&t options with other teams and not really shown any desire to be re-signed by the Hawks, but has anyone heard anything contrary to this since the front office/ coaching changes?

I think he'd be a great re-addition, let he and Marvin fight it out for the starting position (my money is on Josh).

Please come back to the Hawks Josh.

D21 · Post #2 » by **D21** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:32 am

Two reasons for it (even a sign-and-trade) not happening:
- OLY improved as a team and Josh improved as a player, and they nearly win it all, but ended loosing in Euro Finals. With one more year, they can do it, and he could want to try it.
- With ATL not doing any major move until Joe's case is set (stays, sign-and-trade and walking for nothing make lots of scenarios), it would need to know at least some days before July 15 what Joe is doing. Joe could want to wait and see what James, Wade, Bosh,... are doing.

If Joe stays, and signs as early as he can, it's a different story.

azuresou1 · Post #3 » by **azuresou1** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:28 pm

I thought Chill specifically hated playing for Woody and with Joe? Woody's gone, and if Joe leaves I think we have a decent chance of luring Chill back.

geeman · Post #4 » by **geeman** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:37 pm

I have no problem with Josh starting at the 2 spot and swinging to the 3 at times and just get what we can in a s&T for joe or just let him walk if thats what he wants. This way Crawford can still come off the bench. Hell I'd take S&t JOE FOR THAT FAT BOY CENTER FROM NYN AND A SECOND!!!

evildallas · Post #5 » by **evildallas** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:14 pm

D21 wrote:Two reasons for it (even a sign-and-trade) not happening:
- OLY improved as a team and Josh improved as a player, and they nearly win it all, but ended loosing in Euro Finals. With one more year, they can do it, and he could want to try it.

On the other hand the Greek economy has crashed and even spurned some riots

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Might not be a great time to be an outsider "have" as the "have-nots" become more numerous and angry.

It's a different environment than what he joined just 2 years ago.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #6 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:05 pm

azuresou1 wrote:I thought Chill specifically hated playing for Woody and with Joe? Woody's gone, and if Joe leaves I think we have a decent chance of luring Chill back.

I think it had more to do with the ASG. The ASG low balled the crap out of both Joshes and basically forced them to go sign offersheets w/ other teams. There were no actual negotiations. Sekou reported that the Hawks didn't even offer the MLE to Childress prior to realizing that he was considering going overseas.

Post #7 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:41 am

I never heard Josh Childress having any problems with Joe Johnson. I do know Josh wanted to start at the 3 and felt Woodson never gave him a real chance to win it over Marvin Williams. He also had a problem with how Sund handled free agency because he felt Sund never rolled out the red carpet for him.

raleigh · Post #8 » by **raleigh** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:53 am

D21 wrote:- With ATL not doing any major move until Joe's case is set (stays, sign-and-trade and walking for nothing make lots of scenarios), it would need to know at least some days before July 15 what Joe is doing. Joe could want to wait and see what James, Wade, Bosh,... are doing.

This is the most important issue, although the uncertainty regarding 2011 will factor into his decision, too.

evildallas · Post #9 » by **evildallas** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:20 am

HMFFL wrote:I never heard Josh Childress having any problems with Joe Johnson. I do know Josh wanted to start at the 3 and felt Woodson never gave him a real chance to win it over Marvin Williams. He also had a problem with how Sund handled free agency because he felt Sund never rolled out the red carpet for him.

This is exactly how I remember the situation. Woodson didn't even start him when Marvin got hurt and that really upset Childress. The other sticking point I remember was that Childress felt there were teams that wanted to do a S&T deal for him (without cap space) and the Hawks were unwilling to even listen to the pitch.

CAM · Post #10 » by **CAM** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:43 am

So what does anyone see likely happening?

I would of thought that by now Josh would be wanting to return to the NBA. So in saying that, I hope there is an avenue for him to come back to the Hawks.

As of right now, I'm very low on Marvin and I hope that Josh can come in and take his starting spot while Coach Drew finds a way to get some sort of production out of Marvin.

raleigh · Post #11 » by **raleigh** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:51 pm

My guess? He signs an MLE offer sheet. He'll take the guaranteed money.

jagstang76 · Post #12 » by **jagstang76** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:10 pm

I would love to have Chill back on the roster! It would be great to have him as a change of pace from Marvin and JJ. If he did beat out Marvin, Marvin would be much more effective off the bench (allbeit a very expensive option off the bench). Chill would be a much more flexible option off the bench where he could spell JJ, Marvin or Smoove (Marvin moving to 4). The biggest factor with Chill though is that he does so much more than Marvin in terms of hustle plays and put-backs under the rim.

azuresou1 · Post #13 » by **azuresou1** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:29 pm

Isn't money not an issue for Chill? IIRC he's making something like $9-10M US over there in Greece, when you factor in the conversion ratio and the lack of income tax and all.

parson · Post #14 » by **parson** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:34 pm

Childress is a bench player - a very good bench player - but he'd face some matchup problems if he were a full-time starter. He's a tweener, perfect for special situations at both SG and SF.

Guy does well at Triple A ball in Greece and now he's our answer? Come on, Josh Smith would dominate at CENTER over there.

azuresou1 · Post #15 » by **azuresou1** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:04 pm

I love Smoove, but he'd be terrible at C, Euroleague or not.

Although I'm not sure whether Euroleague's shorter 3 Pt line (Smoove chucking more long Js) would hurt more than the perk of there not being no basket interference, which is lulz.

parson · Post #16 » by **parson** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:44 pm

I think Smoove is a natural center; he's just not tall enough for the NBA. Point is, the Euro players wouldn't be able to push him around. He'd block their shots and they wouldn't be able to stop him.

Look at the skinny, puny "big" men who come out of there: they get abused over here.

azuresou1 · Post #17 » by **azuresou1** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:22 pm

Smoove would also jack up about 8 3PTA's a game if he were in Euroleague, with their 20 ft 3 point line and lack of a restricted area.

Comeon, you know he'd see a clogged paint, and say to himself, "They think they can stop me by packing the paint? I'mma show them with my silky smooth, beautiful jumper." That'd be like taking Eddy Curry and putting him on a basketball court right next to a Chick-Fil-A.

Ricky Business · Post #18 » by **Ricky Business** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:41 am

Childress played terrible in the Greek League Finals in back to back years and lost both times. In Olympiacos he's a very good role player, but that's all he is. He will never be able to advance to anything better than that. He's a championship caliber role player in the NBA or the Euroleague.

But for the money he expects he is way overpaid in Europe and asks for way too much in the NBA. Role players, even very good ones like Childress is, should not expect the huge salary he demands.

Ricky Business · Post #19 » by **Ricky Business** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:44 am

parson wrote:I think Smoove is a natural center; he's just not tall enough for the NBA. Point is, the Euro players wouldn't be able to push him around. He'd block their shots and they wouldn't be able to stop him.

Look at the skinny, puny "big" men who come out of there: they get abused over here.

The centers in Greece are 6-11 to 7 feet plus and very big.

Ricky Business · Post #20 » by **Ricky Business** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:47 am

azuresou1 wrote:Smoove would also jack up about 8 3PTA's a game if he were in Euroleague, with their 20 ft 3 point line and lack of a restricted area.

Comeon, you know he'd see a clogged paint, and say to himself, "They think they can stop me by packing the paint? I'mma show them with my silky smooth, beautiful jumper." That'd be like taking Eddy Curry and putting him on a basketball court right next to a Chick-Fil-A.

Starting next season the 3 point line in Europe is 22 feet 6 inches. Later on, in a few years, it will be moved back to 23 feet 9 inches. So there really isn't going to be much of a difference there anymore.