Help a NET REALGMer out

[demens]

The issue wasn't solely Prince or AK as basketball players. The issues with these ideas were 1.) Why give up the cap space BEFORE free agency (in the case of the Prince trades). 2.) In the case of AK47, you were massively overpaying because of how overpaid AK is and the fact that you were saving Utah more than $20 million after the luxury tax.

With so many teams up against it with the luxury tax and revenues down league-wide I have no question these types of deals along with the Harpring/Maynor type trades will be available in late-July, early-August when the dust has settled. While minor in nature, there were like 10 luxury-tax related deals made during the season (2 we were involved in). Being able to spend the money to reach the salary cap floor is not a concern for me in the least.

1) I gave plenty of reasons as to why. The latest one shows that you SHOULD be concerned about reaching the cap floor. You dont know what kind of deals the Nets will hand out to role players to fill the roster, there hasn't even been any hint of a name that we could possible target. Why do you automatically assume we'll find quality guys and not overpay them? I'm willing to bet you will find at least 1 grossly overpaid player on every team in the league. The Nets are gonna have one whether you like it or not. Now what if someone like Krover (who has been mentioned by fans) wants something crazy like 4 years $30mil? Is it better to bring back the role players from last year? Hayes for 3 years at $10mil? I'd would rather have that overpaid player be AK or Prince whos are gone next year.

2) How the hell would we be OVERPAYING for AK? He would cost this team no assets and no flexibility. We'd be spending money that must be spent anyway. He costs nothing.

[vincecarter4pres]

Why do you insist on acting like AK is a hot commodity?

You don't worry about spending cap space until the rest of the chips fall where they may.

[Preludepunk27]

Yeah Demens I can't understand why you won't get off this topic as of today. The first time you brought it up, I flat out said that, though I'm not totally on board with a move like this anymore, this isn't a move you make TODAY. If management feels they have to pull a deal like this, this is worst case scenario move you do in August or September...NOT June 16. Though you feel you're a realist, it's really pessimism that is driving you. You for some reason hate our management even though they have done, in my opinion, and absolutely OUTSTANDING job over their tenure considering the wackjob, cost cutting owner we've had for the better part of a decade. They, as well as 99.9% of Nets fans, feel though it's small that we still have a legitimate shot at Lebron James and possibly another legit player to add to the team. You don't look at deals like Prince or AK unless the door is officially shut on your top priorities (i.e. Lebron signs with another team) unless somehow the Jazz or Pistons present you with a deal you literally cannot refuse. There is nobody on either roster that I feel that logic would come into play if offered to us, so unless they bring a 3 team deal where we get something nuts, you keep looking are Lebron. We can still go hard after a guy like Melo next summer even if we miss out on all big free agents this summer because we put all our effort into Lebron. There is just no point to giving up assets for a guy like Prince or AK and take ourselves out of the game without even playing it.

For the record though, can we stop completely trashing AK? like 4 years ago this kid was a quadruple double threat almost every night between points, rebounds, steals and blocks. He got his long term deal then has battled injuries ever since. You can't fault him for that, but to the Jazz he was worth every penny when he signed that deal. Injuries have just robbed him of his athletic ability to where he is a role player now. It drives me insane when people make it sound like he always was trash.

[enetric]

Good point.
Does Lee's contract impact the ability to sign a max next offseason?

The thing that people seem to miss is that its very likely that it WILL impact our cap for next season, and significantly. Even if we DONT sign someone like Lee, we MUST sign someone. Signing 1 year deals with new teams is not the most common practice in the NBA, so whoever we do sign is more likely to be long term then 1 year. This is why its better to trade for an AK or a Prince, because that room will have to be used for something in any case, and its better to use it for someone that will expire then a long term guy that will effect our off-season next year.

What he is saying makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. We are already under the cap. Larry Coon just answered this in a Q&A and AK was actually an example. Under the cap teams dont trade for overpaid players just beause they are expring since they are already under the cap. There is absolutely no cap understanding to his argument. Why give up asset? he is willing to dilute our pick, and give up tradeable assets to get an expiring player for NEXT year? We absolutely CAN sign league minimum players to fill out the roster for one year if we strike in free agency this summer...keep our higher draft pick, and instead of wasting playing time on a guy we wont bring back in a year....groom the younger prospects who can either help us long term or become more valuable in trades later.

We have signged MANY one year players over the years...this is not hard to do to fill out a roster!!!! I mean seriously...this is just poor understanding of the situation.

[enetric]

The issue wasn't solely Prince or AK as basketball players. The issues with these ideas were 1.) Why give up the cap space BEFORE free agency (in the case of the Prince trades). 2.) In the case of AK47, you were massively overpaying because of how overpaid AK is and the fact that you were saving Utah more than $20 million after the luxury tax.

With so many teams up against it with the luxury tax and revenues down league-wide I have no question these types of deals along with the Harpring/Maynor type trades will be available in late-July, early-August when the dust has settled. While minor in nature, there were like 10 luxury-tax related deals made during the season (2 we were involved in). Being able to spend the money to reach the salary cap floor is not a concern for me in the least.

1) I gave plenty of reasons as to why. The latest one shows that you SHOULD be concerned about reaching the cap floor. You dont know what kind of deals the Nets will hand out to role players to fill the roster, there hasn't even been any hint of a name that we could possible target. Why do you automatically assume we'll find quality guys and not overpay them? I'm willing to bet you will find at least 1 grossly overpaid player on every team in the league. The Nets are gonna have one whether you like it or not. Now what if someone like Krover (who has been mentioned by fans) wants something crazy like 4 years $30mil? Is it better to bring back the role players from last year? Hayes for 3 years at $10mil? I'd would rather have that overpaid player be AK or Prince whos are gone next year.

2) How the hell would we be OVERPAYING for AK? He would cost this team no assets and no flexibility. We'd be spending money that must be spent anyway. He costs nothing.

I cant for the life of me figure out why he thinks that we cant simply give out 1 year deals or a 2year with the second as a team option. We have done it many times. Its not going to be an issue. What's more...we absolutely dont have to weaken our pick to do it!!!

Lets say we are far under the cap and we actually couldnt hit league minimum. fail to sign anyone July 1st. And wow...we cant find any scrubs to take 3 mil for a year. Wont happen but lets just say for argument sake.

We can go to one of thes e teams in cap hell...and get them to give US interest for taking thaeir garbage. Jeffries had a 6 mil contract left for one year and the Rockets got a #8 pick from last year, the right two swap next year and an unprotected (only #1 overall) pick in 2011 for helping the Knicks out.

If we were under the cap..n match required for salary. Send them a second rounder and they give up picks for saving them millions.

His plan is so absolutely 2=@=5 and yet he says it to all of us like we dont know what we are talking about. Trading away our cap space and giving up prospects in June for a 17 mil 2011 expring SF that isnt worth 7 mil??? I really thought this guy must be scrwing with us. He must be thinking let me see if I can get someone to say yeah...lets do that! What's next? he suggests we give Shaq a 5 year 130 million dollar contract and says THAT with a straight face?

What he is saying is so absolutely absurd it should be laughed off.

[enetric]

Yeah Demens I can't understand why you won't get off this topic as of today. The first time you brought it up, I flat out said that, though I'm not totally on board with a move like this anymore, this isn't a move you make TODAY. If management feels they have to pull a deal like this, this is worst case scenario move you do in August or September...NOT June 16. Though you feel you're a realist, it's really pessimism that is driving you. You for some reason hate our management even though they have done, in my opinion, and absolutely OUTSTANDING job over their tenure considering the wackjob, cost cutting owner we've had for the better part of a decade. They, as well as 99.9% of Nets fans, feel though it's small that we still have a legitimate shot at Lebron James and possibly another legit player to add to the team. You don't look at deals like Prince or AK unless the door is officially shut on your top priorities (i.e. Lebron signs with another team) unless somehow the Jazz or Pistons present you with a deal you literally cannot refuse. There is nobody on either roster that I feel that logic would come into play if offered to us, so unless they bring a 3 team deal where we get something nuts, you keep looking are Lebron. We can still go hard after a guy like Melo next summer even if we miss out on all big free agents this summer because we put all our effort into Lebron. There is just no point to giving up assets for a guy like Prince or AK and take ourselves out of the game without even playing it.

For the record though, can we stop completely trashing AK? like 4 years ago this kid was a quadruple double threat almost every night between points, rebounds, steals and blocks. He got his long term deal then has battled injuries ever since. You can't fault him for that, but to the Jazz he was worth every penny when he signed that deal. Injuries have just robbed him of his athletic ability to where he is a role player now. It drives me insane when people make it sound like he always was trash.

Even if we completey strike out. There is no logic to it. None whatsoever for a developing team. To what end? Give up assets for aone year rental of an overpaid player? Why wouldnt you just give those minutes to Twill, Favors and Yi? What value does an AK give us? A prince? What??????? and he wants to dilute our assets to get that guy?

I loved Ak 5 years ago. Loved. But I also loved Shaq. Fault insit the issue here. ITs vsalue and undersatanding the cap. This is aposter who is arguing arogantly for something that isnt just wrong...its absurd. its...hey...I am telling you. You can cure your cold if you shoot this gun at your head...and you are all foolls if you dont see it! And btw...its such a good idea you should give me money if I help you pull the trigger!

This guy is either screwing with you...or he is theleast informed poster with a false sense of confidence I have seen on the boards. Can anyone really be THIS wrong and this obnoxious about it at the same time????