Let's Make a Deal!

[SpeedyG]

If he has lost body fat, then it makes sense. Muscle weights more than fat, so if he's developed more muscle, it's possible for him to drop in body fat while retaining his weight.

I swear sometime it feel like people dont even read the comment they quote.

i dont quite understand how it is you drop in body fat % (and 3% in a month is pretty significant) yet loose zero lbs. while not doing weight training.

No **** muscle weights more then fat, how is he developing more muscle without lifting is what i wanna know. You dont grow muscle without lifting weights period. Maybe if he was a construction worker lifting bricks all day, or a farmer shoveling ****, but thats not what he is doing.

Or perhaps you're just too stupid to comprehend what people say in their response.

Next time you admit to not being an expert, how about you just leave it at that and not make comments (especially incorrect ones) and then try to act like you are an expert when someone responds to it?

[enetric]

I don't necessarily agree with that assessment. True, naturally, when you see a guy who is more polished, you think right away lower ceiling, because most of the time, when you have a young guy, that's the thing that improves the most is their skill. So a young guy who already has skill, you'd say "higher floor, lower ceiling".

But in this case, I think Cousins' case is the exception because of the fact that he's been such a fat slob that his body has never been right. Drop to maybe 10% body fat, a little more muscle, pick up a little more athleticism, agility, and explosiveness...and you add that to the skill...it's a damn interesting scenario. And I think that's why people say his potential is higher...because if he does get his body right, and gets his attitude right...he really can be imposing in the paint.

Most reviews i have read say Favors has the highest upside in the draft...and I agree. But, I do understand your point. I just think its a lot less likely at this stage of the game...a guy who has shown so little care...that he goes to the combine and has no problem saying...I dont lift weights and no thanks the the bench press? Who does that????

To me that added to the feedback of a bad atitude...doesnt really give me confidence. But I will repeat...i really want to be wrong. I just dont want to risk our pick to find out.

[ecuhus1981]

Are we drafting a triathlete, a politician, a Strongman, or a basketball player? Last I checked, DeMarcus Cousins was the best basketball playing 6'11 dude in this draft. Sure, he has 14% body fat (according to his Sacramento interview; down from 16.2% at the combine). Normally, I would be concerned, because it usually means that that player is not able to slide his feet well, defend the pick-and-roll or do a myriad of other basketball related functions. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE WITH COUSINS! He has the ability to guard PFs just fine, more than fine, really, even at 290lbs.

Moreover, he left the Kings' facility as the best shooter that has done a workout with them this year, canning 78% of his jumpers!

I won't sit here and tell you that I'm not concerned with how his attitude would mesh with Avery. I am. But Avery likes big bodies who can play physically and have skill. They are few and far between, but there is one in this draft. Many question DC's work ethic and passion for the game, but he competes so well, is so dominant with the ball in his hands AND YET is willing to accept any role he is given, that he seems bound to make it big in the league.

[demens]

Or perhaps you're just too stupid to comprehend what people say in their response.

Next time you admit to not being an expert, how about you just leave it at that and not make comments (especially incorrect ones) and then try to act like you are an expert when someone responds to it?

Stupid heh. I'm glad you can at least articulate your own comments but i guess its still too much to ask that you understand what someone else is saying.

I admit to not being an expert, that doesn't mean i'm totally clueless on the subject like you seem to be if you think you add muscle without lifting. I'm sure there are some people that have the sort of freak genetics that can gain muscle through the right daily routine but thats rare. So IF you are an expert on the particular subject of weight lifting then please say so and tell me how i'm wrong, instead of sounding clueless and calling my comments incorrect without providing any bases for it whatsoever.

[enetric]

Are we drafting a triathlete, a politician, a Strongman, or a basketball player? Last I checked, DeMarcus Cousins was the best basketball playing 6'11 dude in this draft. Sure, he has 14% body fat (according to his Sacramento interview; down from 16.2% at the combine). Normally, I would be concerned, because it usually means that that player is not able to slide his feet well, defend the pick-and-roll or do a myriad of other basketball related functions. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE WITH COUSINS! He has the ability to guard PFs just fine, more than fine, really, even at 290lbs.

Moreover, he left the Kings' facility as the best shooter that has done a workout with them this year, canning 78% of his jumpers!

I won't sit here and tell you that I'm not concerned with how his attitude would mesh with Avery. I am. But Avery likes big bodies who can play physically and have skill. They are few and far between, but there is one in this draft. Many question DC's work ethic and passion for the game, but he competes so well, is so dominant with the ball in his hands AND YET is willing to accept any role he is given, that he seems bound to make it big in the league.

1- The talent and athletcism between this guy and DC is MILES apart for the same age. DC was a 240 pound sleek jump out of the gym, handle the ball end the end super freak coming out of college. DC didnt ballon up until his heart problem 8-9 years into his NBA career. He was an absurd leaper...Cousins has one of the worst verticals in the draft. DC was the best reboudner in NCAA history coming out. His court vision, his shooting range his complete package was off the charts. THis guy is NOT that.

The DC comparison is this perception of lazy,bad atitidue. The underrated side of what people recall DC as. Not the reality. And to be compared to the negative memories of a guy? Not a good thing.

2- Accepts any role given? He has been descirbed as not very coachable by many reports.


3- There are plenty of good playing former NCAA guys in Italay, China, and god knows where as we speak. Doesnt lock in anything.

4- To say that it is simply not the case that he isnt a guy who cant slide, or run the floor or guard 4's based on small stretches in limitted minutes in an 30 game NCAA season VS playing end to end in the NBA 82 games a year, 2 a day practices, plane rides, cash in your pocket a new city every night, being the picked on rook rather than the beloved MAN on your team in a college town...honeslty...its confidence built on nothing.

To believe he will overcome? OK. To make light of it all as if its a non issue? Like he can absolutely guard today's best of the best athletes in the world every night without fouling out in 5 seconds? Or that a guy who often failed to get back down the floor as a freshamn in college is going to convince a coach he should play if he does that in the NBA?


We take him we take him. But to be so cavalier about the red flags? To act like this guy is money in the bank? Nonsense.

[enetric]

Or perhaps you're just too stupid to comprehend what people say in their response.

Next time you admit to not being an expert, how about you just leave it at that and not make comments (especially incorrect ones) and then try to act like you are an expert when someone responds to it?

Stupid heh. I'm glad you can at least articulate your own comments but i guess its still too much to ask that you understand what someone else is saying.

I admit to not being an expert, that doesn't mean i'm totally clueless on the subject like you seem to be if you think you add muscle without lifting. I'm sure there are some people that have the sort of freak genetics that can gain muscle through the right daily routine but thats rare. So IF you are an expert on the particular subject of weight lifting then please say so and tell me how i'm wrong, instead of sounding clueless and calling my comments incorrect without providing any bases for it whatsoever.

You have gotta be some kind of troll to piss Speedy off this much. Me? Not hard...but Speedy??????? I feel bad that this board has been subject to this guy. And I already told JJ...I am sure this guy was banned before.

[jman3134]

^ You're back?

Nice to see.

[enetric]

Thanks. Good to see you. I am making my retired celebrity appearance for the off season.

[jman3134]

I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone (well almost everyone ) when I say that I hope it is an extended appearance. (a permanent one even)

Anyway, enough jock riding. Let me address this thread.

I think that Demarcus Cousins could end up being one of the best players out of this draft class. And, people may very well look back and throw stones at Nets management for not selecting him. However, he is not the right player for this team. If the Nets are committed to the development of Lopez, they are going to go with the player that best compliments him. And, in this case, the choice is clearly Favors. Cousins would be a pretty repetitive pick.

[enetric]

Thanks, I appreciate it.


See, I prefer to take the best player always over need...but yeah same position it is easier to factor fit in.

But for me? My lean isnt the supposed upside...its the monsterous downside and red flags for Cousins that make me not want any part of him.

But, I have said all month. If he can improve his stock before the draft with workouts and interviews and convince people they shouldnt fear a kid who was told he needed to lose weight at 270 after HS, only to see him baloon up to 296 at an elite NCAA program...then so be it.

The head to head workout that is scheduled isnt for Favors. Its for Cousins. Favors has nothing to gain. Its for Cousins to prove he should be moving up not down in this draft.

Hopefully our team gets it right.

[treiz]

I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone (well almost everyone ) when I say that I hope it is an extended appearance. (a permanent one even)

Anyway, enough jock riding. Let me address this thread.

I think that Demarcus Cousins could end up being one of the best players out of this draft class. And, people may very well look back and throw stones at Nets management for not selecting him. However, he is not the right player for this team. If the Nets are committed to the development of Lopez, they are going to go with the player that best compliments him. And, in this case, the choice is clearly Favors. Cousins would be a pretty repetitive pick.

The one problem I see with that logic is that we were a 12-win team. We ABSOLUTELY have to take the BPA in order to make some progress and I think that's what management is thinking and I'm really hoping that Turner drops to us, because to be fair that's a no-brainer compare to Favors v. Cousins as the 3rd pick selection for the FO.