Operation Beast: Prospect Thread II

Post #581 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:42 pm

Krapinsky wrote:A 22 year old Rudy Gay probably would have averaged 30 points per game at Syracuse though.

If you give anyone enough shots they can average points, but there's really no reason to think that Rudy Gay would have efficiently scored 30 points per game ever in college.

shangrila · Post #582 » by **shangrila** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:43 pm

Foye wrote:
shangrila wrote:
Foye wrote:I'm really not on the Wesley Johnson bandwagon guys.

I wasn't either, but I think if they can walk away with Favors and Johnson then it's a win. Johnson, while he has limitations, still has potential to improve and fills some needs that this team desperately has.

Yes, but I'd be very disappointed if we walked away from the draft with Johnson being the #4 pick.

What if they walked away with Favors at 3?

I'm not saying Johnson is the greatest pick at 4 and if he's all they walk away with then I'd be disappointed as well. But if the team gets another major piece, like Favors, then Johnson is the type of smart, hard working and talented player that the team could use on the wing and to add to their rebuilding project. He won't be a star, but he could be one of the better 2nd or 3rd options in the league.

Post #583 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:02 pm

younggunsmn wrote:Video of the Sacto Cousins/Favors workout:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBSK0hLM ... r_embedded

My impression:
Both players have nice jumpers, but kind of a slow release.
Cousins really struggled with those alley-oops and I really question his
jumping ability and lateral quickness.
Favors has great athleticism. I can see why Kahn thinks he'd be a great fit with Rubio.
I think Favors is going to block a lot more shots in this league than Cousins.

I really question Cousins' fit next to Al or Love. Other than added length and a mean streak he reminds me a lot of Jefferson in his limitations. He's a great space eater, but I question if he has the lateral quickness and anticipation to ever become a true defensive force once he starts playing against guys his own size night in and night out. If you are starting a team from scratch he will be a nice piece to have, but trying to pair him with Love/Jefferson, I don't know if that's the makings of a defensive pairing that can win playoff games. Do you trade both Al and Love off and start from scratch with Cousins or trade Love for Randolph?

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I don't think Cousins is a great fit next Jefferson or Love, but I don't question Cousins lateral quickness. He moves very well for a man his size. If someone like Kendrick Perkins can be a very good defensive player, so can Cousins.

Post #584 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:05 pm

Krapinsky wrote:When Rudy Gay was 22 he was averaging 20 ppg in the NBA that's why.

Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, and Allen Iverson never averaged 30 per game in college.

Dewey · Post #585 » by **Dewey** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:07 pm

shangrila wrote:
Foye wrote:I'm really not on the Wesley Johnson bandwagon guys.

I wasn't either, but I think if they can walk away with Favors and Johnson then it's a win. Johnson, while he has limitations, still has potential to improve and fills some needs that this team desperately has.

I agree, but I just don't see how we could pull this off to get the #3 from NJ while keeping #4. Both players would be great assets for building around Rubio, and it would be much better than taking on Gay's new contract ...

Looking simply at the basic components...
MN would trade Pekovic for #14 (Houston,?), then trade the #14/#23/player for #3? If NJ isn't secure on a FA big man, then maybe Love or Jefferson/14/23 would do them well and then they could pick up 2 players in the middle round. NJ gets Love or Jefferson next to Lopez and adds 2 more good players at 14/16. Pretty decent for NJ short-term and long-term ... MN goes home with Favors, Johnson, and #16.

Post #586 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:15 pm

The tough part about trading with New Jersey is that they won't want to take back any salary in trade. I have to think the only shot we have is trading up with New Jersey, then we can try to get 5,6, or 7 with Jefferson/Love. We'd probably have to be willing to settle for Aminu in that scenario.

Dewey · Post #587 » by **Dewey** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:27 pm

Worm Guts wrote:The tough part about trading with New Jersey is that they won't want to take back any salary in trade. I have to think the only shot we have is trading up with New Jersey, then we can try to get 5,6, or 7 with Jefferson/Love. We'd probably have to be willing to settle for Aminu in that scenario.

They are looking to use their space to get a one of the FA forwards ... my angle is merely the chance they don't feel good about their FA options in the very end, then consider this route. I do assume they'd prefer to sign a FA and draft #3 for BPA unless they have serious interest in adding a couple prospects at 14 & 16....

Post #588 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:34 pm

The problem is that free agency is after the draft. I can't imagine they'd give up on their free agency hopes on draft day. I suppose we could make the trade in July or August, but that doesn't happen very often. .

Krapinsky · Post #589 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:43 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:When Rudy Gay was 22 he was averaging 20 ppg in the NBA that's why.

Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, and Allen Iverson never averaged 30 per game in college.

How many of them played in college til they were 22?

Regardless, that wasn't meant to be taken literally, but more so a shot that we're comparing a man to boys here --- there's a big difference between 23 and 20.

Dewey · Post #590 » by **Dewey** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:44 pm

Worm Guts wrote:The problem is that free agency is after the draft. I can't imagine they'd give up on their free agency hopes on draft day. I suppose we could make the trade in July or August, but that doesn't happen very often. .

Yep, the timing is certainly awkward.

Krapinsky · Post #591 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:04 pm

New DX mock: Johnson - Sanders - Whiteside

He has us taking Sanders over George AND Whiteside at 16.

Maybe he knows something we don't?

PeeDee · Post #592 » by **PeeDee** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:16 pm

Favors is at the Target Center right now, I predict Kahn and company fall in love.

Foye · Post #593 » by **Foye** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:39 pm

PeeDee wrote:Favors is at the Target Center right now, I predict Kahn and company fall in love.

I hope we trade up for him. :nod:

AQuintus · Post #594 » by **AQuintus** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:07 pm

jonahballow Wow - Favors is one of the fastest big men I've seen from end to end & almost ran over Laimbeer #Twolves #NBA Draft 7 minutes ago

Well there we go. He has the athleticism to play with Rubio and the toughness to pick fights with Bill Laimbeer. Everything that Rambis and Kahn want.

Post #595 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:55 pm

Apparently Kahn called Favors out of shape, and said it's unlikely he would help any team next year.

PeeDee · Post #596 » by **PeeDee** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:23 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Apparently Kahn called Favors out of shape, and said it's unlikely he would help any team next year.

Is there an actual quote about this? All I see is crappy tweets paraphrasing.

Post #597 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:58 pm

PeeDee wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:Apparently Kahn called Favors out of shape, and said it's unlikely he would help any team next year.

Is there an actual quote about this? All I see is crappy tweets paraphrasing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAIkFsy8qK4

AQuintus · Post #598 » by **AQuintus** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:59 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Apparently Kahn called Favors out of shape, and said it's unlikely he would help any team next year.

I'm probably biased because I really like Favors, but this definitely strikes me as a smokescreen. If Favors was really that out of shape, I'd think that we would have heard something about it after the Sacramento workouts.

On top of that, the only people who have mentioned Favors being out of shape are Doogie and the ESPN guy, and both directly quoted Kahn (who has all sorts of reasons to downplay Favors). Jonah Ballow, on the other hand, has been tweeting about Favors' workout all morning, and he didn't say anything about his conditioning.

In fact, this is the last thing he tweeted :

jonahballow "Quite a specimen for somebody who is 18 yrs old," Kahn on Favors #Twolves

Dewey · Post #599 » by **Dewey** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:01 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:Apparently Kahn called Favors out of shape, and said it's unlikely he would help any team next year.

I'm probably biased because I really like Favors, but this definitely strikes me as a smokescreen. If Favors was really that out of shape, I'd think that we would have heard something about it after the Sacramento workouts.

On top of that, the only people who have mentioned Favors being out of shape are Doogie and the ESPN guy, and both directly quoted Kahn (who has all sorts of reasons to downplay Favors). Jonah Ballow, on the other hand, has been tweeting about Favors' workout all morning, and he didn't say anything about his conditioning.

In fact, this is the last thing he tweeted :

jonahballow "Quite a specimen for somebody who is 18 yrs old," Kahn on Favors #Twolves

or Favors did us no favors by dogging his workout...

AQuintus · Post #600 » by **AQuintus** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:03 pm

Dewey wrote:or Favors did us no favors by dogging his workout...

I might be over thinking this, but if that were the case, I'd think that they'd be going out of their way not to say anything negative about him so that he'll get picked top 3 and someone we like more would drop to us. :dontknow: