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Re: 'Short' time till the Draft 

Post#121 » by Norm2953 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:23 pm

TBpup wrote:
I'm still very skeptical anything will get accomplished for the forces that seem determined
to fire KP might just veto any moves just so they can have their way. They might view
addition by the subtraction of KP is more important than making any trade.


Norm...I'm inclined to agree with you but I've been assured if Kevin is able to get this worked out and bring it to Paul, it would be something he just couldn't turn down. :pray: I so hope that is the case.



The problem is not going to be effort but that the other GM's know they have an advantage and
will raise the price for making a big deal accordingly. Portland is not going to get much sympathy
from the other GM's for the best time to be making a deal is from a position of strength which we
had last summer when Rudy's trade value was at a high.

I'm hoping the reason for all of this KP friction is to shake up KP's mindset of being too attached to
his players. I'm hoping KP if he somehow manages to pull off a deal that helps the team, will get
back to the good graces with Paul and all of this amounted to a providing motivation for KP to
wake up and make deals when its to our advantage to make deals.
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Re: 'Short' time till the Draft 

Post#122 » by Norm2953 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:30 pm

d-train wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I'm still very skeptical anything will get accomplished for the forces that seem determined
to fire KP might just veto any moves just so they can have their way. They might view
addition by the subtraction of KP is more important than making any trade.

If there are forces that can fire KP, why can't they fire KP and make a trade? Or, why can't they fire KP after he makes a trade?



No team would fire their GM before the draft. Higher management knows KP's greatest strength
is the draft and I would agree with the sentiment that KP will do a good job for Portland for its in
his own best interest to do so if he wants to be a GM for another team.

I like the Tony Parker talk for SA might just be one team that might be willing to help KP save his
job as long as Portland sends back what they need.
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Re: 'Short' time till the Draft 

Post#123 » by cucad8 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:57 pm

TBpup wrote:Sounds like a third team may be in the picture. Not sure if it is needed to make a certain proposal work or if it just might work out to be a 3-team deal. Not many details shared on this bit so I don't know in this case either.


TB, would that then imply that there is one main target he is currently going after as a star? Adding a third team makes it sound like there is a specific target, and not just trying for any star.
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Re: 'Short' time till the Draft 

Post#124 » by DusterBuster » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:36 pm

TBpup wrote:Sounds like a third team may be in the picture. Not sure if it is needed to make a certain proposal work or if it just might work out to be a 3-team deal. Not many details shared on this bit so I don't know in this case either.


Can you tell us if the player KP is targeting has been mentioned in this thread?
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Re: 'Short' time till the Draft 

Post#125 » by DusterBuster » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:49 pm

Billy wrote:Not sure about Nash/Hill. Great players, but I'm not entirely sure they fit into saving KP's job. They'd give Portland a very strong team for another 2 years, but after that it would be back to the drawing board.


It would certainly save KP from being fired in the short term future. Nash is still a very high level player and if he's what pushes us over the edge even once, then that's all that matters.
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Re: 'Short' time till the Draft 

Post#126 » by Agenda42 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:49 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
TBpup wrote:Sounds like a third team may be in the picture. Not sure if it is needed to make a certain proposal work or if it just might work out to be a 3-team deal. Not many details shared on this bit so I don't know in this case either.


Can you tell us if the player KP is targeting has been mentioned in this thread?


Apparently the cone of silence has holes :P
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Post#127 » by cucad8 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:52 pm

I dunno if a process of elimination type would work best for this, some stars, available or not, and also which ones might prefer a 3rd team to be involved:

Atlanta: JJ is a S&T, so won't include him. Don't see Josh Smith as a star necessarily, or a job saving move. Although,as infatuated as Allen always seems to be with athleticism, who knows.

Boston: no
Charlotte: Gerald Wallace, again, isn't really the star type to save your job, IMO.
Chicago: Deng? No. Rose. Haha
Cleveland: Lebron, or no.
Dallas: Dirk would be a S&T or extend & trade. Doubtful, although would love to see that happen. I imagine he'll be getting a Gasol level extension, though, if not more. At 20 million per, how do you come close to making salaries even match up? Aldridge, Miller and Joel? I doubt it. Can't see Cuban moving Dirk, but I think a move for Dirk would be tremendous. Give us two #1 scorers in Roy and Dirk. Two great finishers/closers. And, with decent health, likely make us a favorite to be #2 in the West.
Denver: Don't see Carmelo moving. Or Billups.
Detroit: Rip or Teyshaun aren't really job saving, IMO.
G.S.: Ellis comes to mind, again, though, is he a no-brainer for management(Vulcan) and a job saver?
Houston: I don't see us being good trade partners at all.
Indiana: Granger is about it. They're a poor team, both financially and on the court. But Granger has a reasonable contract. We've traded with them before(Jack-Bayless). Can't imagine the package it would take to get him, but could almost, almost see them choosing to move him, realizing their rebuilding path, and his age and salary by the time they get to a reasonable point. But with all of their expiring deals, they can possibly turn things around quick. Something including Aldridge would give them the ability to go with George at their pick to replace Granger, and a PG at 22. Pair Aldridge and Hibbert up front. A possibility, if we can give them enough financial savings. A 3rd team could also make sense, as mentioned, if they can move more salary for a cheap PG.
Clippers: Davis was already shot down.
Memphis: I'd like Mayo as or PG alongside Roy. DOubt, again, that that's a job saving move.
Miami: No.
Milwaukee: Who?
Minnesota: Jefferson? Can't see him and Oden as a good pair.
NJ: I think Harris was already nixed.
N.O.: Paul. I'm sure a call was made. I don't see how we'd have any shot, when if they realy wanted to move him, they can go out and find a better package, withmore financial relief. Hey, OKC< how about Westbrook, Harden and cap space for Paul, Peja and another bad contract? We can't compete, IMO, for Paul when there are so many teams with cap space that'd take him and provide better financial relief. Pipe dream.
N.Y.; nothing.
OKC: Not happening.
Orlando: Who outside of Howard is saving your job?
Philly: Iggy. Maybe they'd want a 3rd team, because they already have money invested up front, and would want something instead of Aldridge? Maybe a 3rd team, because they don't want, say, Miller back? Maybe it's not Aldridge, but Batum. Batum, Joel Miller for Iggy. Miller going elsewhere? I dunno. They shed salary and get a young wing alongside Jrue and Turner. Another possibility.
Phoenix: Nash. His defense blows, but for what we'd want out of a point, he seems like a good fit. He is a great creator, for our bigs, but also a great shooter, to play alongside Roy. Longshot, I would think.
Sacramento: Nobody.
San Antonio: Parker, been discussed.
Toronto: Bosh. But he's a S&T.
Utah: Deron. I'd like to see Utah trade within the division like that, crippling themselves, while fortifying us for a decade. Haha.
Washington: Arenas the only one with star power. A high risk to stake your job on, but if healthy...

So who'd I come out of that exercise with? Dirk. Granger. Iguodola. Parker. Nash. Paul.?
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Re: 'Short' time till the Draft 

Post#128 » by Walton'sBeard! » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:59 pm

I've always been a big Parker fan and in spite of his flaws I'd love to get him. But I don't think he is a job-saving get, especially if you give up LMA to get him. For KP to keep his job he will need to think bigger I suspect. Or get a Parker-level player for a bargain price.
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Post#129 » by DusterBuster » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:19 pm

Out of your whole list cucad, I really only think Iggy, Nash and Parker are realistic targets. Dirk has zero chance of leaving Dallas and I really don't agree with Paul being even slightly available.

The Sixers are obviously hard up for cash and they've already been struggling with their wing players Iggy and Thad. Now they have to add Turner into the mix, which means either Iggy or Thad would be coming off the bench. Considering their salary crunch, I'd imagine they'll look to move the biggest contract first, that means Iggy. It also provides them with the opportunity to rebuild through youth with the likes of Holiday/Turner/Young/Splights and whoever they end up with at C.

I really think Nash is a strong candidate here. Reports claim that Amare leaving is a done deal. If Amare is gone, then the Nash/Amare era is done and they'll look to rebuild. Portland is the perfect team for the Suns to deal Nash too. I made a long post on the TB about this and there's really only 2 or 3 teams that need Nash to contend for a title and can give the Suns a competitive rebuilding package in return for him.

Finally there is Parker. The Spurs really like Hill and Giniobli seems to play better next to Hill. The Spurs days of their Big 3 being dominate are coming to a close, so it's time for them to look at rebuilding a little bit, and moving Parker is their best option.
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Re: 'Short' time till the Draft 

Post#130 » by Allright » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:20 pm

With the trade between Sac-Town and Philly, it could mean Iggy will stay for long in Philadelphia and the Sixers to draft Favors. I think you can cut Iggy from the list.
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Post#131 » by Agenda42 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:21 pm

Walton'sBeard! wrote:For KP to keep his job he will need to think bigger I suspect. Or get a Parker-level player for a bargain price.


In other words, it would take a miracle to save KP's job.

This seems weird, but accurate.
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Post#132 » by DusterBuster » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:24 pm

Allright wrote:With the trade between Sac-Town and Philly, it could mean Iggy will stay for long in Philadelphia and the Sixers to draft Favors. I think you can cut Iggy from the list.


The Sixers aren't drafting Favors, they're definitely taking Turner. I also don't see how this trade makes it less likely Iggy stays. If anything, I think it makes him MORE likely to be traded. They just added to an already tight SF rotation. They've also added a lot of long-term money.
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Post#133 » by Fitz303 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:31 pm

Iggy is overrated. First things first.. HE isnt an all star. He never has been

I would rather stick with Batum than bring in Iguodala. I just dont buy the hype, and I HIGHLY doubt this trade that TB is hinting about has anything to do with Iggy.

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Post#134 » by Walton'sBeard! » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:56 pm

Fitz303 wrote:Iggy is overrated. First things first.. HE isnt an all star. He never has been

I would rather stick with Batum than bring in Iguodala. I just dont buy the hype, and I HIGHLY doubt this trade that TB is hinting about has anything to do with Iggy.

Please dont let me look stupid TBpup


Iggy is far from perfect and he's probably another one of those guys that KP would need to get on the cheap to have a chance to keep his job. I like him though. He is a good defender and gets a lot of assists. He is a solid scorer and I think his %'s would come up on this team.

But again, I think KP probably needs to think bigger.
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Post#135 » by Billy » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:26 pm

Iggy just strikes me as someone that could be part of the equation, but not the big get. Seems like Portland is incredibly fond of Batum, and while Iggy is much better than Batum, Portland may not feel that it would be justified in making a huge deal JUST for Iggy.

The thing that would tilt the scales in favor of Iggy in my mind is if there was something else coming along or he was coming at a bargain price. If you are giving up Miller and Przybilla, does that make it worth it?

I agree with Walton's Beard... maybe it is Iggy, but it seems like KP would need to be looking bigger.
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Post#136 » by DavidSterned » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:54 pm

I don't see how Nash would work in Nate's system.....
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Post#137 » by Blazinaway » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:54 pm

One big problem for me with Parker is that he's a UFA after next season, do we really want to give up much for that?
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Post#138 » by EGame » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:55 pm

Not to rain on anyones parade and while I love rumors, I just wonder if anything will be happening. I feel like KP is obviously trying to make a deal to save himself, but it is so sad that he is doing a trade just to save himself (horrible management we have). However, on the flip side, KP also showed that he was attached to his young guys and would not give up on them and trade them for anything. We will see how this rumor ends, but if I had to guess, I would expect the price to be to high for KP (whatever that is whether he wouldn't give up on Aldridge or Batum was the asking price, etc) and nothing happens. Hope something happens, I would love Tony Parker, but I don't know how you get him without giving something in return that is decent AKA Aldridge. Don't trade Roy or Oden or Batum and dangle with Rudy, Webster, Miller, Aldridge, and possibly Bayless.
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Post#139 » by Soulyss » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:55 pm

Billy wrote:Iggy just strikes me as someone that could be part of the equation, but not the big get. Seems like Portland is incredibly fond of Batum, and while Iggy is much better than Batum, Portland may not feel that it would be justified in making a huge deal JUST for Iggy.

The thing that would tilt the scales in favor of Iggy in my mind is if there was something else coming along or he was coming at a bargain price. If you are giving up Miller and Przybilla, does that make it worth it?

I agree with Walton's Beard... maybe it is Iggy, but it seems like KP would need to be looking bigger.


I wonder if we're the second half of that deal:

LMA
Pryzbilla
Webster
Rudy

for
#2
Iggy
Brand

The math works after July 1st... Brand is an ex-all star fitting the hints we have been getting from TBPup about KP swinging for the fences... Just because the hint says "all-star" doesn't mean All-Star is the target... Plus the real prize is Iggy & #2...

Leaves us with:

Taking Favors at #2, He's a little raw, but the comparisons are D-Howard and Amare... If he ends up as good as Amare it's a home run..

Miller / Bayless
Roy / Iggy
Iggy / Batum (3 guys rotating through two positions, two elite defenders)
Brand / Favors / Camby
Camby / Oden

That is a championship team.
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Post#140 » by magee » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:57 pm

^He's gotta be looking bigger. Batum proved his worth in the playoffs. He's not going anywhere, unless it's for a better SF next to Roy (Melo, Bron). Otherwise can't see Iggy happening.

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