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Post#241 » by JCizzle » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:49 am

Would love to see a replay of the Gasol board at the very end where he seemed to clothesline Rondo, if anyone has it on youtube.
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Post#242 » by jsimon » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:53 am

Ben-N1ce wrote:That's was a manufactured win. Period.


Perfectly put my friend.

They just couldn't do it could they? They just couldn't let the game play out on the court. So let's break this down...

After calling a fairly good game for three quarters, all of a sudden the whistles come flying left and right. Not for both teams mind you, just for the Lakers. And it's not just the continued absurdity of total FTA, in this game a comical 35-17 (adjusted for the intentional), but they almost all came in the fourth quarter. The Lakers shot something like 19-21 of their free throws to our 6 or so in the 4th. What??? Are you saying that all of a fuc*k*ing sudden the Celtics started fouling uncontrollably? But of course the Lakers just played shut down defense in the 4th. right? Just locked us up. They weren't shoving and grabbing and holding for the entire quarter...

For three quarters Gasol and Odom and Bynum were coming over our backs with no calls. In the 4th Gasol picks up a key foul on Wallace on a questionable over the back. Gasol then gets his usual throw the arms up flop call on KG who is defending him no differently than Artest was defending Pierce the whole quarter. Kobe gets the bogus three shot foul on Allen. Gasol goes up and down with the ball and scores, but of course no call.

The Lakers trailed this game for three quarters until the refs came to the rescue, like they've done all series. The worst part is I actually thought for a while there they were going to let them play, you know, make it seem like the refs haven't been carrying the Lakers all series long. But when the puss*y Lakers showed up for the 4th quarter trailing they couldn't hold back any longer. Kobe is well defended and cold all game, don't worry we'll put you on the line. Gasol can't score consistently all game, no problem here's a parade of free throws for you big fella.

Only a 16 year old fan boy would be proud of this win. If there are any Laker fans reading this post you should be embarrassed right now. Yes, you did out rebound us all game, but you shot like crap and jumped over the back on almost all of them. Yes, Ray Allen was ice cold, but so was Kobe. There is absolutely no way you win a 7 game series without the refs carrying your sad flopping puss*y asses all series long.

That fourth quarter was the final nail in the NBA coffin for me. And you know what's the worst thing? Even though they let 'em play for about 38 minutes, I fuc*k*ing knew it was coming...

Gawd Dam*n you to hell David Stern!

Final free throw tally adjusted for intentionals, 198-133 Lakers. 19-6 in the 4th quarter of game 7.

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Post#243 » by kevin_405 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:03 am

U do realize thats how we(Lakers) felt in 2008...

This was redemption..


jsimon wrote:
Ben-N1ce wrote:That's was a manufactured win. Period.


Perfectly put my friend.

They just couldn't do it could they? They just couldn't let the game play out on the court. So let's break this down...

After calling a fairly good game for three quarters, all of a sudden the whistles come flying left and right. Not for both teams mind you, just for the Lakers. And it's not just the continued absurdity of total FTA, in this game a comical 35-17 (adjusted for the intentional), but they almost all came in the fourth quarter. The Lakers shot something like 19-21 of their free throws to our 6 or so in the 4th. What??? Are you saying that all of a fuc*k*ing sudden the Celtics started fouling uncontrollably? But of course the Lakers just played shut down defense in the 4th. right? Just locked us up. They weren't shoving and grabbing and holding for the entire quarter...

For three quarters Gasol and Odom and Bynum were coming over our backs with no calls. In the 4th Gasol picks up a key foul on Wallace on a questionable over the back. Gasol then gets his usual throw the arms up flop call on KG who is defending him no differently than Artest was defending Pierce the whole quarter. Kobe gets the bogus three shot foul on Allen. Gasol goes up and down with the ball and scores, but of course no call.

The Lakers trailed this game for three quarters until the refs came to the rescue, like they've done all series. The worst part is I actually thought for a while there they were going to let them play, you know, make it seem like the refs haven't been carrying the Lakers all series long. But when the puss*y Lakers showed up for the 4th quarter trailing they couldn't hold back any longer. Kobe is well defended and cold all game, don't worry we'll put you on the line. Gasol can't score consistently all game, no problem here's a parade of free throws for you big fella.

Only a 16 year old fan boy would be proud of this win. If there are any Laker fans reading this post you should be embarrassed right now. Yes, you did out rebound us all game, but you shot like crap and jumped over the back on almost all of them. Yes, Ray Allen was ice cold, but so was Kobe. There is absolutely no way you win a 7 game series without the refs carrying your sad flopping puss*y asses all series long.

That fourth quarter was the final nail in the NBA coffin for me. And you know what's the worst thing? Even though they let 'em play for about 38 minutes, I fuc*k*ing knew it was coming...

Gawd Dam*n you to hell David Stern!

Final free throw tally adjusted for intentionals, 198-133 Lakers. 19-6 in the 4th quarter of game 7.

Total - Fuc*k*ing - Joke.
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Post#244 » by DRose4MVP » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:09 am

Bulls fan here...

You guys got robbed your 18th title by the referees. Get this, the Lakers shot more FT's in the 4th quarter than the Celtics did in the entire game. How can the refs justify that? It makes no sense at all how something like that is possible.

Great game by the Celtics. They shot better from the field than the Lakers, better from 3 point line than the Lakers, and better from the foul line than the Lakers yet they lose the game? Something doesn't sound right about that.

Oh and by the way, Kobe sure didn't deserve the Finals MVP. He didn't shoot over 50% from the field in ANY game. His best of the game of the series his team lost. Gasol was the real MVP of this series, not Kobe. I love how Kobe copied Jordan by jumping on the scores table with the ball in his left hand and his right fist in the air. **** copy cat will never be as good as or better than MJ.

Also, just reported on ESPN that Rasheed tried to talk with the referees outside their room after the game but security told him he was not allowed to talk to them and he boarded the bus with his jersey on. How pathetic. The refs should have to explain their calls. They are the ones that made them, explain them...damn it!
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Post#245 » by azuresou1 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:11 am

DRose4MVP wrote:Bulls fan here...

You guys got robbed your 18th title by the referees. Get this, the Lakers shot more FT's in the 4th quarter than the Celtics did in the entire game. How can the refs justify that? It makes no sense at all how something like that is possible.

Great game by the Celtics. They shot better from the field than the Lakers, better from 3 point line than the Lakers, and better from the foul line than the Lakers yet they lose the game? Something doesn't sound right about that.

Oh and by the way, Kobe sure didn't deserve the Finals MVP. He didn't shoot over 50% from the field in ANY game. His best of the game of the series his team lost. Gasol was the real MVP of this series, not Kobe. I love how Kobe copied Jordan by jumping on the scores table with the ball in his left hand and his right fist in the air. **** copy cat will never be as good as or better than MJ.

Also, just reported on ESPN that Rasheed tried to talk with the referees outside their room after the game but security told him he was not allowed to talk to them and he boarded the bus with his jersey on. How pathetic. The refs should have to explain their calls. They are the ones that made them, explain them...damn it!


Repost because blaming refs is weak unless it's blatantly ridiculous:

Celtics got put into the penalty VERY early in the 4th on some dumb fouls. The Lakers didn't. The foul discrepancy was 6 fouls, which is not a huge amount, especially since the Celtics gave two intentional fouls in the closing minute.

Jordan shot 42.68% and 41.64% in two different Finals, including a 5-19 performance for 22/9/7 with 5 TOs in the final game vs Seattle. He won FMVP for both series. How is that in any way better than Kobe's 6-24 performance for 23/15/2 with 4 TOs?

Celtics played well and physical, but in the fourth they played not to lose instead of playing to win, which is why the Lakers came back and won. Stop drinking the Haterade. The Lakers won fairly in probably the best officiated game all series long.
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Post#246 » by crazytown » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:12 am

I feel bad for you guys. That 4th quarter was Donaghyesque. Especially that missed call on the walk on Gasol late in the game when he scored.
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Post#247 » by jsimon » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:19 am

DRose4MVP wrote:Bulls fan here...

You guys got robbed your 18th title by the referees. Get this, the Lakers shot more FT's in the 4th quarter than the Celtics did in the entire game. How can the refs justify that? It makes no sense at all how something like that is possible.

Great game by the Celtics. They shot better from the field than the Lakers, better from 3 point line than the Lakers, and better from the foul line than the Lakers yet they lose the game? Something doesn't sound right about that.

Oh and by the way, Kobe sure didn't deserve the Finals MVP. He didn't shoot over 50% from the field in ANY game. His best of the game of the series his team lost. Gasol was the real MVP of this series, not Kobe. I love how Kobe copied Jordan by jumping on the scores table with the ball in his left hand and his right fist in the air. **** copy cat will never be as good as or better than MJ.

Also, just reported on ESPN that Rasheed tried to talk with the referees outside their room after the game but security told him he was not allowed to talk to them and he boarded the bus with his jersey on. How pathetic. The refs should have to explain their calls. They are the ones that made them, explain them...damn it!


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Post#248 » by theman » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:22 am

DRose4MVP wrote:Bulls fan here...



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Post#249 » by sub_zero255 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:27 am

Yes, there is a free throw difference.
But did you see the shoot attempts differencial ?
Lakers 103
Boston 87

The lakers has shoot 16 times the ball than you do !!

When you know that a game a basketball comes to one or two possession, that's a lot, lot of possession...
And when you have more possession, you usually have more chances to be fouled...

So, finally, what kills Boston is the REBONDING... Offensive Board.. and that your answer
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Post#250 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:28 am

I couldn't watch the last three minutes of the game. The refs weren't going to allow Boston to win and I didn't want to throw my tv through the window. I'm curious how much money Stern had placed on LA. Nothing would surprise me with that audacious pos.
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Post#251 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:30 am

sub_zero255 wrote:Yes, there is a free throw difference.
But did you see the shoot attempts differencial ?
Lakers 103
Boston 87

The lakers has shoot 16 times the ball than you do !!

When you know that a game a basketball comes to one or two possession, that's a lot, lot of possession...
And when you have more possession, you usually have more chances to be fouled...

So, finally, what kills Boston is the REBONDING... Offensive Board.. and that your answer

How many offensive boards did LA get in the 4th quarter?
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Post#252 » by sub_zero255 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:36 am

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
sub_zero255 wrote:Yes, there is a free throw difference.
But did you see the shoot attempts differencial ?
Lakers 103
Boston 87

The lakers has shoot 16 times the ball than you do !!

When you know that a game a basketball comes to one or two possession, that's a lot, lot of possession...
And when you have more possession, you usually have more chances to be fouled...

So, finally, what kills Boston is the REBONDING... Offensive Board.. and that your answer

How many offensive boards did LA get in the 4th quarter?


Oh because the final score is only based on the 4th quarter ?
You can watch it on any angle, it is just unacceptable to give 16 shoots to your opponent and expect to win.
16 guys !!!!
16 !!!!
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Post#253 » by Banks2Pierce » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:37 am

The Lakers did shoot more shots, but I don't know if one of their free throws came directly off of an offensive rebounding situation.
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Post#254 » by Blad3 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:41 am

sub_zero255 wrote:You can watch it on any angle, it is just unacceptable to give 16 shoots to your opponent and expect to win.
16 guys !!!!
16 !!!!


Just like you can't shoot 33 percent and expect to win. But they did. If we could rebound, this was an easy win, but we couldn't. We could still win, but all those fouls totally made our defense non factor and cost us the game.
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Post#255 » by theman » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:42 am

sub_zero255 wrote:Yes, there is a free throw difference.
But did you see the shoot attempts differencial ?
Lakers 103
Boston 87

The lakers has shoot 16 times the ball than you do !!



Despite the poor grammar the Lakers took 18% more shots than did the Celtics. So had the Lakers taken 18% more free throws I would have said the officiating was okay. But they didn't get 18% more free throws they got 218% more free throw attempt. 218%.
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Post#256 » by sub_zero255 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:46 am

Blad3 wrote:
sub_zero255 wrote:You can watch it on any angle, it is just unacceptable to give 16 shoots to your opponent and expect to win.
16 guys !!!!
16 !!!!


Just like you can't shoot 33 percent and expect to win. But they did. If we could rebound, this was an easy win, but we couldn't. We could still win, but all those fouls totally made our defense non factor and cost us the game.


Yes you cannot shoot 33% and expect to win. But when you find a way to shoot 16 more, it is almost like you shoot 50%.
That's simple.
The celtics have a gorgeous opportunity with LA bad free throws on the first quarters. They should have been up by 20.
And when you start the 4th with silly fouls and you are in penality very early, look for the Lakers to become more aggressive, go and take contact and any call and they will go on the line ...
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Post#257 » by azuresou1 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:46 am

You can't tie FGA to FTA, because you can (and do) get fouled on things other than FGAs. Lets say I tell you that a team took 60 FGAs and drew 16 fouls. How many FTAs do they get? You have no idea. It could be anywhere from 48 FTAs to 0 FTAs.

Boston got put in the penalty very early in the 4th. LA did not. LA shot FTS for every foul for probably 75% of the 4th quarter, whereas that was only true for 25% of the 4th for Boston.
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Post#258 » by sub_zero255 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:47 am

Any team that won the rebounding battle won the game ... and tonight was not different ...
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Post#259 » by Infinite Llamas » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:05 am

Easy for LA to grab all those off boards when they go over the back on every play.

I knew once LA took the lead at like, 65-66 or something that we were not gonna get the lead again. Only way we trump the refs in this game is if Ray hits 60% of his shots. The only way to prevent a loss when a fix is in is to hit your jumpers, because you know damn well if you drive you won't get a whistle. That play when Pierce drove at the end and didn't get a call stood out to me. I didn't watch the Lakers partying in their locker room, but I'd hardly be shocked if the refs were in there drinking champagne with their boys.
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Post#260 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:08 am

sub_zero255 wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:
sub_zero255 wrote:Yes, there is a free throw difference.
But did you see the shoot attempts differencial ?
Lakers 103
Boston 87

The lakers has shoot 16 times the ball than you do !!

When you know that a game a basketball comes to one or two possession, that's a lot, lot of possession...
And when you have more possession, you usually have more chances to be fouled...

So, finally, what kills Boston is the REBONDING... Offensive Board.. and that your answer

How many offensive boards did LA get in the 4th quarter?


Oh because the final score is only based on the 4th quarter ?
You can watch it on any angle, it is just unacceptable to give 16 shoots to your opponent and expect to win.
16 guys !!!!
16 !!!!


Boston lead 57-53 after 3 quarters idiot. Answer the question.

Staples Center and Downtown LA would be on fire now if Boston got 21 free throws handed to them in the fourth. You guys went nuts after game 2 when there was a huge foul disparity but Kobe only played 34 minutes! Disregard all the Celtics in foul trouble that night.

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