Cavs now discussing Bosh with Tor

[gflem]

According to Rhoda on WKNR 850 the Cavs are discussing Bosh S&T with Toronto. What took them so long, this should have been their first priority since re-signing Lebron before July 1st wasnt going to happen anyway.
I am not a huge Bosh fan, I think he doesnt solve the D. Howard issue, but he certainly would be better suited to stop Garnett than anyone on the roster currently. Offensively I think he would fit with Lebron (assuming he returns), and would probably ensure that Lebron does indeed come back.

[Triumph36]

Few players solve the Howard problem. But I don't know why he's "reporting" this, anyone with a clue would know the Cavs are going to talk to Toronto. And Phoenix. And Atlanta (though I wish they wouldn't).

I wish we could get Bosh - assuming it doesn't completely gut the team - but I'm not very optimistic about it because LeBron is a **** who probably won't be willing to get involved and his involvement is absolutely necessary.

[TheOUTLAW]

Yeah, this should have gone without saying. I'm not sure that we'd have anything Toronto would want, but we have to make the approach.

[twix2500]

Few players solve the Howard problem. But I don't know why he's "reporting" this, anyone with a clue would know the Cavs are going to talk to Toronto. And Phoenix. And Atlanta (though I wish they wouldn't).

I wish we could get Bosh - assuming it doesn't completely gut the team - but I'm not very optimistic about it because LeBron is a **** who probably won't be willing to get involved and his involvement is absolutely necessary.

You absolutely gut this team to get Bosh or Amare. Otherwise no other addition will make a difference from last year.

[TheOUTLAW]

As is the case with any potential sign and trade, you do have to explore it whether you know how it's going to come out or not.

[Triumph36]

Few players solve the Howard problem. But I don't know why he's "reporting" this, anyone with a clue would know the Cavs are going to talk to Toronto. And Phoenix. And Atlanta (though I wish they wouldn't).

I wish we could get Bosh - assuming it doesn't completely gut the team - but I'm not very optimistic about it because LeBron is a **** who probably won't be willing to get involved and his involvement is absolutely necessary.

You absolutely gut this team to get Bosh or Amare. Otherwise no other addition will make a difference from last year.

I doubt we would need to gut the team for Amare. But with Bosh, if we gut the team then they're much better off just pairing up in NY.

[bcortell]

Is this why RCF is down?

[gflem]

Well, we would probably need to take either Turk or Jose back, maybe both, so I dont think we would have to gut the team to get Bosh. We would have to absorb some heavy contracts and Lux tax, which I believe Gilbert has said numerous times he is willing to do for a title.
We would probably try to re-up Shaq in this scenerio, at least I would, the Rupaul thing notwithstanding, I believe that Bosh and Shaq could work on the court as they operate in different areas and with different styles that I believe would compliment each other. Again though, heavy $$$$ commitment even if Shaq is re-signed for one year.
All this is assuming that Lebron re-signs if a Bosh deal is actually worked out.

[Ballah]

What talent do we have to offer that other teams can't match? I bet you Orlando could go to Toronto and go "anyone but Howard" and it would look much better than anything we can offer.

[bcortell]

Well, we would probably need to take either Turk or Jose back, maybe both, so I dont think we would have to gut the team to get Bosh. We would have to absorb some heavy contracts and Lux tax, which I believe Gilbert has said numerous times he is willing to do for a title.
We would probably try to re-up Shaq in this scenerio, at least I would, the Rupaul thing notwithstanding, I believe that Bosh and Shaq could work on the court as they operate in different areas and with different styles that I believe would compliment each other. Again though, heavy $$$$ commitment even if Shaq is re-signed for one year.
All this is assuming that Lebron re-signs if a Bosh deal is actually worked out.

I don't think Shaq's coming back no matter what by what Max and W&G have said about that situation.

I wouldn't mind Mo, Andy, JJ, Telfair, Rights to Eyenga, Future 1st for Bosh, Calderon. Then I'd try to swing a deal with NOH, something like Delonte, Parker for Posey, Collison. Finally, finish it off with a little Jamison for Chandler deal.

Collison/Calderon/Boobie
MLE/ Posey/Green
Bron/Moon
Bosh/Powe
Chandler/Kaun (?)/Draft

MLE: Morrow, Redick, Childress, Antoine Wright
IF we can get into the draft, there's a ton of big men, so that might be the way to fill in the backup C spot.
/dream

[TheOUTLAW]

If we could somehow get Chandler and Bosh without somehow avoiding giving up either JJ or Varejao this would be a very successful offseason.

[B Mac]

Well, we would probably need to take either Turk or Jose back, maybe both, so I dont think we would have to gut the team to get Bosh. We would have to absorb some heavy contracts and Lux tax, which I believe Gilbert has said numerous times he is willing to do for a title.
We would probably try to re-up Shaq in this scenerio, at least I would, the Rupaul thing notwithstanding, I believe that Bosh and Shaq could work on the court as they operate in different areas and with different styles that I believe would compliment each other. Again though, heavy $$$$ commitment even if Shaq is re-signed for one year.
All this is assuming that Lebron re-signs if a Bosh deal is actually worked out.

I don't think Shaq's coming back no matter what by what Max and W&G have said about that situation.

I wouldn't mind Mo, Andy, JJ, Telfair, Rights to Eyenga, Future 1st for Bosh, Calderon. Then I'd try to swing a deal with NOH, something like Delonte, Parker for Posey, Collison. Finally, finish it off with a little Jamison for Chandler deal.

Collison/Calderon/Boobie
MLE/ Posey/Green
Bron/Moon
Bosh/Powe
Chandler/Kaun (?)/Draft

MLE: Morrow, Redick, Childress, Antoine Wright
IF we can get into the draft, there's a ton of big men, so that might be the way to fill in the backup C spot.
/dream

I dont normally go too crazy over these dream scenario's but this one looks real nice and not too unbelievable. Would probably have to tweak parts of it but I would be ecstatic with that team. Can we make the SG Mike Miller though? That way we still have a solid 3 point threat on the floor and we would have a lot of versatility with Moon and Posey backing him up. Plus Mike Miller and LeBron are good friends.

[Rise Against]

I wouldn't mind having Mike Miller at the 2 spot.. Much better to have him there than AP. And I won't believe that this Bosh speculation / rumor has any vailidity until there is another source that will confirm it.

[bcortell]

Outlaw- I could see maybe avoiding JJ in a Bosh deal if we're giving up Andy, but I think they would want both.

B Mac- You guys and Mike Miller. I wouldn't mind him, but I wonder what he'd look to make next year. If we can't get a pick in the draft, we'd probably have to split the MLE between SG and backup big with my deals. That might be pretty hard to do if we signed Miller. If we were able to keep one of Andy/JJ, then yes, I'd be all for Mike Miller. I've also thought about trying to work in Songalia from NOH in the deal for Collison if they think just Posey isn't enough. That might mean sending Delonte, Parker, and Moon for Collison, Posey, and Songalia.

That would give us:

Collison/Calderon/Boobie
Mike Miller/Green
Lebron/Posey
Bosh/Powe/Songalia
Chandler/Draft or Kaun or Vet Min

[gflem]

Well, if we needed to give up Andy to make this scenerio happen, then Songaila is a reasonable replacement. I am really high on Collison, maybe one year of good part time production isnt enough proof, but I would still love to see him on our team. Regardless of whether Lebron re-ups or not.

[JustAwesome]

You'd have to find someone that weighs more than 200 pounds if you're looking to stop Howard. Bosh is not that guy. He would cause headaches for opposing defensive coaches, though.

[bcortell]

You'd have to find someone that weighs more than 200 pounds if you're looking to stop Howard. Bosh is not that guy. He would cause headaches for opposing defensive coaches, though.

Agree that Bosh isn't that guy. Did you miss the Chandler part? Albeit, no one fully stops Dwight, but Chandler is a legit center.


The best thing I like about Collison is that he's a pure PG. Now, I think that would cause problems because Lebron likes to have control, but it would ultimately come down to the coach to get Lebron to respect Collison's point guarding abilities. He comes from UCLA, where there was a strong defensive system in place, so you know he's willing to work on that end. Take a look at Collion's DX profile: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dar ... ison-1149/ . You have to like a guy willing to execute the offense and play defense. His negatives? Much about his upside, potential, and scoring, and outside shooting. I think most of those have been disproved already.

Just my 2 cents.

[B Mac]

I didnt realize we were giving both Andy and JJ in that Bosh deal. I dont think they both go, likely just JJ. Especially if Bosh says "I want to go to Cleveland". Then we get a fair amount of leverage.

[bcortell]

I didnt realize we were giving both Andy and JJ in that Bosh deal. I dont think they both go, likely just JJ. Especially if Bosh says "I want to go to Cleveland". Then we get a fair amount of leverage.

The problem is matching up salaries with Bosh and Calderon.

[clockwork247]

Well, we would probably need to take either Turk or Jose back, maybe both, so I dont think we would have to gut the team to get Bosh. We would have to absorb some heavy contracts and Lux tax, which I believe Gilbert has said numerous times he is willing to do for a title.
We would probably try to re-up Shaq in this scenerio, at least I would, the Rupaul thing notwithstanding, I believe that Bosh and Shaq could work on the court as they operate in different areas and with different styles that I believe would compliment each other. Again though, heavy $$$$ commitment even if Shaq is re-signed for one year.
All this is assuming that Lebron re-signs if a Bosh deal is actually worked out.

I don't think Shaq's coming back no matter what by what Max and W&G have said about that situation.

I wouldn't mind Mo, Andy, JJ, Telfair, Rights to Eyenga, Future 1st for Bosh, Calderon. Then I'd try to swing a deal with NOH, something like Delonte, Parker for Posey, Collison. Finally, finish it off with a little Jamison for Chandler deal.

Collison/Calderon/Boobie
MLE/ Posey/Green
Bron/Moon
Bosh/Powe
Chandler/Kaun (?)/Draft

MLE: Morrow, Redick, Childress, Antoine Wright
IF we can get into the draft, there's a ton of big men, so that might be the way to fill in the backup C spot.
/dream

dude, how does that make NO better? Not only that you rip them off their new found talent on a rookie contract... looks like every team in the league wants to make the cavs better on their own expense. I can assure you, u call NO with that proposal and they don't hang up on u within 2 sec u owe u dinner lol.