2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[treiz]

Cousins team won the game and both played well, but by all accounts Favors was the standout best player. Stats....

Derrick Favors, 6'9, Power Forward, South Atlanta HS, 2009, Committed to Georgia Tech
36 Points, 19 Rebounds, 4 Blocks

DeMarcus Cousins, 6'10, Power Forward/Center, LeFlore HS, 2009, Considering UAB, Memphis, Washington, Kansas State, NC State, Wake Forest

21 Points, 12 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 5 Blocks, 1 Turnover, 9-13 FG

I always find this fishy, Favors always seems to have better stats but Cousins always just seems to win in any matchups with these two

[enetric]

How many match ups have they had? They played other times? Can we get the box scores?

More than stats...I reacted to what the guys had to say in Chicago and overall impression of scouts around the country that Favors in the game impressed them much more and that overall most scouts feel Favors is the better long term prospect. To me that is what this part of the conversation is really all about. No one debates Cousins is more basketball polished...but they all seem significantly more enamored with Favors for the long term the way they were with Dwight Howard over the much more basketball polished Okafor, and it doesn't sound like its a concession thing...like....people are just turned off by th red flags of Cousins. Those that do this for a living seem to be in the vast majority of liking Favors long term MUCH MORE. The red flags for Cousins seem to be the icing on the cake.

[demens]

I have not seen anything written about anyone being impressed with Favors in his 2 workouts so far. The most impressive display we saw from him since the college season ended was some guy measuring and weighing him. Cousins on the other hand has had some positive feed back from his work outs.

I'm starting to lean over to the dark side these last few days. I said i'd be flopping back and forth from 1 to the other on a daily bases since the lotto, but this whole time i've had Favors up by a point, i think its now 25% Couz 24% Favors 51% trade.

[enetric]

I dont think anyone who has read a post by Demens thinks he has been on the fence about anything. I think its clear its been all Cousins.


I am not surprised to see positive feedback on the two workouts cousins has done so far. we know he is more polished. You will thrive there...its basketball drive, not mental, not physical, not about athletic drills. Not about atitude. I have read...Cousins weghed in 15 poiunds less than he did at Chicago. i have read...he really impressed anyone in coversation. and...I have seen him running full court for 10 minutes and keeping up a level of intensity.

I have read...shooting well and showing his talented footwork. We already know all of this. And he has the MOST to prove. right now because his stock is the lowest of everyone of the top guys.

I want desperately to hear the important good things about Cousins. That he started lifting. That he came into the weigh room and showed them something. That his weight is down. That at dinner he ordered a salad and grilled chicken in a steak house. Whatever! I want to hear the things that we DONT know. I dont need anyone to convince me that he has skills for the game. I am convinced he can play. I am not convinced he can stay on a court. Or that he wont be sucking wind after 5 minutes. Or that he can GUARD anyone outside the paint. That he will be able to keep up with today's NBA faster pace and not be a killer of tempo as a PF because I sure cant see Brook at the 4 either.

You know what? I really WANT a reason to hear that we should take Cousins that shows a change to the reasons we think we should skip him. I really do. So far still havent heard that he changed percpetion or that he is more focused or working to say...hey I can fix those things to. Dont just show me..ignore all those things because I can play. its not enough.


ESPN is doing an OTL on him. Here is the preview. When someone finds a link to the entire thing or knows when it will air..please post it so we can all see it. I am sure it will be prop Cousins, help his stock. So? Good. lets see that.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5288990

[vincecarter4pres]

BTW, is anyone else down on NBATV?
A couple years ago they had multiple hour long shows showcasing the draft, the prospects, the process, the workouts, the camps, etc.
Now?
Almost nothing.

They should take a que from NFL Network and get their ish together instead of running NBA Gametime and Road to the Finals over and over and over in 8 hour blocks...

Boo!

[treiz]

How many match ups have they had? They played other times? Can we get the box scores?

More than stats...I reacted to what the guys had to say in Chicago and overall impression of scouts around the country that Favors in the game impressed them much more and that overall most scouts feel Favors is the better long term prospect. To me that is what this part of the conversation is really all about. No one debates Cousins is more basketball polished...but they all seem significantly more enamored with Favors for the long term the way they were with Dwight Howard over the much more basketball polished Okafor, and it doesn't sound like its a concession thing...like....people are just turned off by th red flags of Cousins. Those that do this for a living seem to be in the vast majority of liking Favors long term MUCH MORE. The red flags for Cousins seem to be the icing on the cake.

Wasn't there a link in this thread (around the time we found out we got the 3rd pick) that showed when they faced each other coming out of high school?

[BasketBrain]

Things are getting interesting. In their individual workouts in Philly, DeMarcus Cousins apparently looked better than Derrick Favors...again

Chad Ford tweeted, "Cousins and Favors went head-to-head in Philly today. Once again, Cousins looked great...There's going to be a lot of pressure on Favors on the 21st in NJ."

[RookieWall]

Tiny Gallon tweeted this to Wes Johnson:

@TINYGALLON24 yea the nets want me at 290 so i'm about 2 get Right... I just ate a salad and I'm still OD Hungry smh

When we tweeted, "Guarantee via Twitter?"

He responded, "Nothing is guaranteed my man." But he'd also deleted the post naming the Nets.

Thoughts?

[enetric]

How many match ups have they had? They played other times? Can we get the box scores?

More than stats...I reacted to what the guys had to say in Chicago and overall impression of scouts around the country that Favors in the game impressed them much more and that overall most scouts feel Favors is the better long term prospect. To me that is what this part of the conversation is really all about. No one debates Cousins is more basketball polished...but they all seem significantly more enamored with Favors for the long term the way they were with Dwight Howard over the much more basketball polished Okafor, and it doesn't sound like its a concession thing...like....people are just turned off by th red flags of Cousins. Those that do this for a living seem to be in the vast majority of liking Favors long term MUCH MORE. The red flags for Cousins seem to be the icing on the cake.

Wasn't there a link in this thread (around the time we found out we got the 3rd pick) that showed when they faced each other coming out of high school?

Would love to see that if its true. If you find it...bump it. I havent been able to find any coverage or stats for other match ups.

[enetric]

Things are getting interesting. In their individual workouts in Philly, DeMarcus Cousins apparently looked better than Derrick Favors...again

Chad Ford tweeted, "Cousins and Favors went head-to-head in Philly today. Once again, Cousins looked great...There's going to be a lot of pressure on Favors on the 21st in NJ."

Looked better is again...not really helpful. he is more basketball ready. Looked impressive wit the ball in his hands isnt what we need covered at this stage. What's his weight? Did they work him out beyond taking shots and dribbling a basketball? Were they guarding each other? Did he get winded quickly? Did they play him full court at all or just half court? Need to know more at this stage.

[enetric]

Here is video coverage of the workouts Cousins and Favors had in Philly. If anyone finds something more detailed than this like the Kings video...please post it.

Cousins looks absolutely exhausted in this video is my one comment from what little they showed.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sixerville/Sixers_work_out_Favors_Cousins.html#axzz0rLXaUzXA

[enetric]

The Kings appear smitten with Georgetown center Greg Monroe, whom they may draft fifth overall.

Anything can happen on or before draft day, but the Kings are expected to add another talented young big man to their frontcourt. Monroe's virtues (besides being 6'11") include a high basketball IQ and solid passing -- DraftExpress.com feels that in a best-case scenario he'll be comparable to Brad Miller.
Source: DraftExpress.com

So if the top 3 hold to prediction....and Minny takes Wes....Cousins could slide to 6...and supposedly they arent high on Cousins either? They have been known to make trades in the past.

No interest in their higher paid assets...and i said not interested in trading down but their rook contracts are awesome talents. Would they have interest in trading up for Favors if they arent interested in Cousins? If Nellie likes a guy he will make something happen. So? is there a deal here that doesnt give up cap room? Could we even make cap room? Curry coming in Devin going out would be awesome and also doubtful....but hey...while I prefer Favors....if a move down still got a guy on that draft tier, improved the team and actually helped or at least didnt take away cap space...now you could talk me into that.

Not if Turner dropped to us somehow...but big for big...yeah. Morrow and Randolph nice talents too.

[Talentfull]

Here is video coverage of the workouts Cousins and Favors had in Philly. If anyone finds something more detailed than this like the Kings video...please post it.

Cousins looks absolutely exhausted in this video is my one comment from what little they showed.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sixerville/Sixers_work_out_Favors_Cousins.html#axzz0rLXaUzXA

Good find. I think if Cousins was about 30 pounds lighter I would have rolled the dice on him but I think the pick has got to be Favors. I may be open to drafting Cousins as he is now but definitely not with the 3rd pick and with Favors available. It's either Favors or some sort of blockbuster trade.

[deviljets7]

The Kings appear smitten with Georgetown center Greg Monroe, whom they may draft fifth overall.

Anything can happen on or before draft day, but the Kings are expected to add another talented young big man to their frontcourt. Monroe's virtues (besides being 6'11") include a high basketball IQ and solid passing -- DraftExpress.com feels that in a best-case scenario he'll be comparable to Brad Miller.
Source: DraftExpress.com

So if the top 3 hold to prediction....and Minny takes Wes....Cousins could slide to 6...and supposedly they arent high on Cousins either? They have been known to make trades in the past.

No interest in their higher paid assets...and i said not interested in trading down but their rook contracts are awesome talents. Would they have interest in trading up for Favors if they arent interested in Cousins? If Nellie likes a guy he will make something happen. So? is there a deal here that doesnt give up cap room? Could we even make cap room? Curry coming in Devin going out would be awesome and also doubtful....but hey...while I prefer Favors....if a move down still got a guy on that draft tier, improved the team and actually helped or at least didnt take away cap space...now you could talk me into that.

Not if Turner dropped to us somehow...but big for big...yeah. Morrow and Randolph nice talents too.

I'd say Curry, #6 and filler for Harris and #3 is a total pipe dream.

Morrow is a RFA so I doubt that works. Randolph/6 for 3 and Hump could make sense, though I'm not sure if either team pulls the trigger on that one.

If we're going to take about pipe dream scenarios, if it reaches that point with Cousins falling, is there a way to trade up into that 5-7 range with Harris as the main (not, but not only) bait? I'm quite sure it would require the assistance of a 3rd team (likely IND) since SAC, GSW and DET all seem happy with their PG situations.

I'm still skeptical that Cousins falls past 4, but I'd be floored if he fell past 6. I think even if GSW was down on him, they'd trade down with a team (DET makes the most sense) that would want Cousins.

[RussellandFlow]

As crazy as Nellie is, he has 1yr left and will not be the head coach for the 2011-12 season. Hell there is a good chance there will be a lockout. With that said, I cannot imagine any scenario where the Warriors would be willing to trade Curry to move up 3 spots to take an unproven, raw (albeit talented) PF in Favors.

[enetric]

The Kings appear smitten with Georgetown center Greg Monroe, whom they may draft fifth overall.

Anything can happen on or before draft day, but the Kings are expected to add another talented young big man to their frontcourt. Monroe's virtues (besides being 6'11") include a high basketball IQ and solid passing -- DraftExpress.com feels that in a best-case scenario he'll be comparable to Brad Miller.
Source: DraftExpress.com

So if the top 3 hold to prediction....and Minny takes Wes....Cousins could slide to 6...and supposedly they arent high on Cousins either? They have been known to make trades in the past.

No interest in their higher paid assets...and i said not interested in trading down but their rook contracts are awesome talents. Would they have interest in trading up for Favors if they arent interested in Cousins? If Nellie likes a guy he will make something happen. So? is there a deal here that doesnt give up cap room? Could we even make cap room? Curry coming in Devin going out would be awesome and also doubtful....but hey...while I prefer Favors....if a move down still got a guy on that draft tier, improved the team and actually helped or at least didnt take away cap space...now you could talk me into that.

Not if Turner dropped to us somehow...but big for big...yeah. Morrow and Randolph nice talents too.

I'd say Curry, #6 and filler for Harris and #3 is a total pipe dream.

Morrow is a RFA so I doubt that works. Randolph/6 for 3 and Hump could make sense, though I'm not sure if either team pulls the trigger on that one.

If we're going to take about pipe dream scenarios, if it reaches that point with Cousins falling, is there a way to trade up into that 5-7 range with Harris as the main (not, but not only) bait? I'm quite sure it would require the assistance of a 3rd team (likely IND) since SAC, GSW and DET all seem happy with their PG situations.

I'm still skeptical that Cousins falls past 4, but I'd be floored if he fell past 6. I think even if GSW was down on him, they'd trade down with a team (DET makes the most sense) that would want Cousins.

I agree...Curry pipe dream. But I didnt understand where you were going at all. You want keep Favors and then trade Devin to get Cousins???? Is thst what you meant? Is Morrow RFA? Didnt indicate it on HH or the trade checker here. Cant see us dealing Harris in any scenario where we dont get a cheaper starting PG back. Or an elite better more expensive starting PG. No sense otherwise to deal him. Or...as part of an S&T for that second max free agent...but that's it.

As for Cousins...I mean look at it. if Philly doesnt take him, and we go Favors...and he refused to work out for Minny and they seem to want Wes if they cant trade up for Turner and we dont allow Favors to drop. If favors did drop...all accounts they take him over Wes but still not Cousins from what has been written. And honestly I cant se Minny taking him fit wise at all. Will they go BPA? Maybe. But they have so many fit issues and duplicates already.

If Sac loves Monroe as is being reported...then? See what I mean? He couls slide to Detroit. So why NOT try and deal with GSW if he is still on the board was my point if we can interest and not lose cap space? if Morrow is RFA as you said..and we agree...Curry a pipe dream...then Randolph is the one guy left. The only issue is...we would still need to make more cap room. Turniing Humphries into a contract effects the off season plan. it means Yi or Devin has to go if we want to even get to Lee level for the second player.

That's why Devin for Curry is ideal although crazy. No question there.

[enetric]

As crazy as Nellie is, he has 1yr left and will not be the head coach for the 2011-12 season. Hell there is a good chance there will be a lockout. With that said, I cannot imagine any scenario where the Warriors would be willing to trade Curry to move up 3 spots to take an unproven, raw (albeit talented) PF in Favors.

I agree that Nellie is crazy. I agree cant see him doing it either. I agree...if I were a GSW fan the trade would make me angry as hell from your end. Not that Devin isnt a young all star caliber player, he is..... but I absolutely get why that deal wouldnt make you happy on draft night if it got done. And I do i see it happening? No.

But here is the thing. Sentence number 1....Nellie IS CRAZY. He once traded Penny Hardaway a #3 pick and THREE number 1's to get Cweb. Mitch Richmond in his prime to get Billy Owens. If Nellie loves a guy enough...he could make a move and worry about what everyone else thinks later. So the question becomes...what if Nellie looks at this young giant, strong, quick 18 year old and sees the next Dwight Howard and with Cousins he sees fat, lazy tub of goo?

As a fan...putting aside what you think GSW should do...or what you think Nellie WOULD do...if for whatever reason Nellie absolutely LOVES Favors....am I wrong in saying...he absolutely IS crazy enough to say....I AM DOING IT and screw what everyone else thinks????

[mikhailjordan]

Cousins doesn't strike me as being out of shape... But at this point count me out of any further draft discussion for the #3 pick every day I find myself changing who I want the Nets to draft

At 27 I think I'd like Jordan Crawford (his chucking and all) though...

[mikhailjordan]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft ... index.html

L-Frank talks a bit about what he thinks the Nets need to do this offseason at one point he talks about how the Nets need legitimate starting forwards and I get the feeling he was never a big Yi fan.

[Aussie 2point0]

Favours appears to be the SAFE pick. I am wondering if AJ wants to be 'the man" and take the Project in DMC and then instill his toughness to win him over. I think his (aj's) ego will push for DMC so he can say look what i did with this kid.

God I hope that made sense. I've had bugger all sleep.