O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::.

[richardhutnik]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqoKEyvdjv8[/youtube]

Just saying...

I figured if this thread is going to go all over the place, the Black Eyed Peas before Fergie would be appropriate.

- Rich

[richardhutnik]

By the way, my take on the Illuminati is this: If they are around doing this, the signs they leave are meant to drive you insane if you follow them. I have seen a sheer level of insanity spoken of by individuals who end up going to try to find them.

And I offer you this as your first step down the road to madness:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=175

It looks at the song Umbrella by Rihanna.

I believe the song was done in 2007, and people are seeing it as a hinting at the upcoming financial crisis that happened. You can also see Rihanna is rendered as an image of Satan in one of the clips. This was referenced in the earlier video someone posted on here, done by a Muslim.

- Rich

[TrueWarrior]

By the way, my take on the Illuminati is this: If they are around doing this, the signs they leave are meant to drive you insane if you follow them. I have seen a sheer level of insanity spoken of by individuals who end up going to try to find them.

And I offer you this as your first step down the road to madness:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=175

It looks at the song Umbrella by Rihanna.

I believe the song was done in 2007, and people are seeing it as a hinting at the upcoming financial crisis that happened. You can also see Rihanna is rendered as an image of Satan in one of the clips. This was referenced in the earlier video someone posted on here, done by a Muslim.

- Rich

How do you explain it then? What about the constant covering Lady Gaga does of her eye? Or flashing the "6" signs everywhere? Even LeBron is seen in a video in this thread flashing the pyramid and then TWO "6" signs right after. Just a coincidence? Also a coincidence that he hangs out with Jay Z all the time who is seemingly the ring leader of it all? What about Eminem? His new Recovery album seems like a direct attempt to stand up to the Illuminati. Have you also heard DMX's interviews? Hes not a crackhead now like everyone suggests. He has just been speaking up against the Illuminati like Tupac and Michael Jackson did before they magically disappeared.

I suggest you watch all 6 parts to my video before you make a decision. Not that you have to believe any of it. Buts its very interesting stuff when you have a free hour of time.

This New World Order stuff is driving me a little crazy. You're right. But its not even like I believe it all, its just very cool to hear. It makes sense in a weird way.

[TrueWarrior]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl8KE45jU-Y[/youtube]

ODB too. Even Cudi and BOB are seen in this video spouting off about the devil and pointin to a pyramid in vegas.

IS ALL THIS COINCIDENCE? All these guys who spoke out ended up dieing randomly? I think not.

Illuminati is very real and they're everywhere, from the President to movies, to music, to television, to magazines. Everywhere.

Take from it what you want, but this sh*t cant all be a coincidence.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676

Lady Gaga too. Prob the most obvious one. Along with Beyonce, Rihanna, Madonna, Katy Perry, all these girls.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otti-82jEAc[/youtube]

This is from the 70s, guy John Todd used to work in the music business and speaks all about Classic Rock and satan worshipping practices. After a few years of preaching against the Illumati he all of the sudden gets jailed and ends up vanishing.

He also spoke of oil prices rising, economic downfall, and possibly putting chips in us. This was back in the 70s!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7qgTjGEyg[/youtube]

More symbols from Gaga, Beyonce, Cudi, Jay Z, and others. This just keeps on going and going. Its so obvious. They all just happen to flash pyramids and the "6" signs? Showing images of horns everywhere and covering their left eyes? Performing on black and white checkered floors? Even Gagas song Bad Romance starts off saying "Ra Ra", Ra means the sun God aka The All Seeing Eye.

Ok I gotta stop. I feel like Im gonna get hunted down myself haha

[TrueWarrior]

LeBron throwin up the Illuminati pyramid and then double 666 signs after the national anthem. He does this before every game now and it just started to happen lately. It also looks like the guy cant stand still and wants nothing to do with the national anthem. But hey look for yourself.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8rSexNF4Ts&feature=related[/youtube]

Does the same thing when he goes on stage with Jeezy

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Y9pKnddUc[/youtube]

Im guessing normal people just do that huh? And you wonder why him and Hova are so close.... Dude is corrupted...

[TrueWarrior]

No responses? Is it because most of you dudes are big into hip hop and dont wanna accept this as truth? . Look I just got into this yesterday but the evidence is overwhelming.

I pretty much figured this out on my own but Eminems new album Recovery doeant mean hes just getting sober from drugs, but also breaking free from the Illuminati. Why the drastic change in sound from Relapse? Just 1 year ago? Where most of the songs dealt with murder, rape, and drugs? Songs like Going Through Changes, Not Afraid, Cinderella Man, Almost Famous, 25 To Life, and Love The Way You Lie really standout to me as Illuminati filled.

Take a look at Not Afraid. You think its just about getting sober? Ha.. There are so many anti illuminati elements to this song and video its not even funny. Whats he not afraid and had enough of? Whats he taking a stand against? What cage is he breaking out of? What "demons" is he facing and doing jumping jacks? Tearing down balconies? His gift is a curse? Married to the game? In the video why does he start in a dark basement and ends up looking like an angel with the bright white background? Why when he looks into mirrors his face morphs into a demon-like figure? Why does he say he got clean "subliminally" for us? Is he tired of feeding us satanic messages without us knowing? He says we dont even realize what we did but we helped him...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s[/youtube]

Now take a look at his song My Darling, a bonus song off of Relapse. Again you think its just a metaphor for drugs? Hes speaking to the devil (who he sees in the mirror just like in Not Afraid) who is promising him riches and fame again. Something Em doesnt want back for the wrong reasons. This song is so anti-illuminati and speaks for itself. Why was it left off the album? Yet crap like We Made You and 3AM were littered with Illuminati and satanic message in the videos and lyrics and were singles to boot. Same with Insane, which was by far the most unnecessary song on Relapse.

His other bonus song Careful What You Wish For also seems anti Illuminati. These two songs were both great and deep yet didnt make the cut. Why?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaCyEi_xMsE[/youtube]

Em sold his soul to the devil. It was great at first but it f*cked with him and he wants out now. Only thing is he better keep his mouth shut or he'll end up like Tupac, Michael Jackson, Pimp C, ODB, and eventually DMX if he keeps talking.

Now heres two articles explaining the blatant Illuminati references in Jay Z's Run This Town and On To The Next One videos and lyrics. Even Empire State of Mind shows flashes of a Bull with horns and Satans eyes.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3073
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1948

Still not convinced? Heres more info on your favorite pop star Rihanna. Who all of the sudden changed into different person. Same with Beyonce.

http://24hourhiphop.com/article.php?id=5909

Katy Perry, same thing. She actually tried to make it as a gospel singer but when she couldnt make it she sold her soul to the devil. She freely admits it here. Why would she joke about something like this? The Illuminati flaunt their status as a way of mocking God, then when questioned just laugh it off (listen to Jay Zs interview on Hot 97 about Illuminati). Perry came out of nowhere and isnt even a good singer. Shes manufactured like Lady Gaga is (who is the queen of the Illuminati). Not to mention her song I Kissed A Girl has her with checkered walls and floors (good vs evil. these black and white checkered floors and walls are found all over music videos), all the while her right eye is covered the whole time signaling the All Seeing Eye (which Gaga does more than anybody).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O3M4bRXU3A[/youtube]

Heres Chris Brown, Soulja Boi, and other acts. You think "Fallen Angel" was about a female? NOPE. You think Pimp C just overdosed on lean and that was it? NOPE. He was speaking out so they shut him up. Some of these entertainers dont even know they're doing these things (they just rap and sing what the record companies say) but most do.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmbN_-rK12Y&feature=related[/youtube]

What happened to DMX? Hes a crackhead now right? NOPE. He couldnt stand the Illuminati no more and started preaching for Jesus. What happened? They framed him with BS counts of cocaine use, dog fighting, and gun posession.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWHiZhl_TBA&feature=fvw[/youtube]

Last but def not least you have Michael Jackson and Tupac who I already posted and have countless videos up on youtube for you to look at yourselves. This whole time I thought MJ was a depressed freak who molested kids and Tupac was a gangster who got killed by other gangsters. Even Biggie was supposedly murdered and was believed to be a retaliation to Tupac because Biggie wouldnt conform with their views, leading the rises of Jay Z and Puff Daddy. Same thing with ODB and Pimp C. It was the exact opposite. These guys knew all about the Illuminati's evil ways and tried to warn us before they got silenced for good. The media is in on this too. Seems like everybody is...

Open your eyes fellas. You guys talk about hip hop more than anybody. I know you're not devil worshipers or going around killing people because of this stuff, but be careful. This seems very real and it seems to mainly be involved with Hip Hop and Pop Stars right now music wise (along with all other forms of entertainment like movies, tv, politics, and everyday companies you buy from).

Keep your eyes peeled.... Or he'll get ya!


This is the thread that got me into this crap. So I would appreciate some feedback ya digggg

[duetta]

This thread has become especially bizarre...

[j4remi]

The illuminati **** gets annoying after a while. I think something's up, but not to the extent most do. I've said it before, but I think a lot of people consciously throw out that illuminati ish to spark controversy. If Em is railing against the Illuminati, what's up with the dual shows he's doing with Jay-Z or working together with Jay to promote DJ Hero or calling Jay a consultant of his? Cudi and BOB drunk talking about being on Satan's doorstep...because they're just outside of the Vegas strip...you know Sin City...but these dudes really believe that they drunkenly but consciously threw out masonic imagery at a random fan with a camera? Come on...reach. I'd rather discuss science and philosophy, not conspiracy theories and symbolism (especially when everything is damned symbol to these guys).

[Deeeez Knicks]

Even Gagas song Bad Romance starts off saying "Ra Ra", Ra means the sun God aka The All Seeing Eye.

I always thought that it was because RaRa ryhmes with GaGa

Or thats just what they want us to believe.....

[richardhutnik]

Here are a few basic about how things work in this world:
1. Men conspire. They get together and attempt to work together to accomplish their own ends.
2. There are things out of the control of men that makes men long to have control over them.

These two things are at work in the universe here. X-Files ended up playing off this a lot, the conspiracy and the X-Files. In this battle, you see people wanting explanations for things and to believe random acts of destruction are caused by something that can be bargained with. People want to believe it is a conspiracy, because this way it is human and they can get into it. To learn more about the real nature of conspiracy groups, check out the book "Them":
http://www.amazon.com/Them-Adventures-E ... 0743227077

3. By appealing to base and destructive desires of people, and making it entertaining, pretty, or captivating, you can end up appealing to large numbers of people, and getting them to get money and give coverage. To engage in this over a prolonged period of time will have an affect on your at eat at your being and personality make up. There will be a time when someone does end up corrupted by all this.
4. If there are supernatural beings at work in a major way in the world, they would likely be FAR smarter than you, and work in ways you couldn't even imagine or comprehend, particularly if they are evil. Anything you get would possibly reveal things, but end up causing you to go down the wrong rabbit hole, feeling you got it. Then, when you reveal it, you end up looking like you are mad.

Ok, I could start spouting Bible here on this, and going into that spin on things. But then that would be one person's spin on things. I will let others figure out what they will. I will say it does say that the love of money is the root of all (kinds) of evil though.

- Rich

[richardhutnik]

You can go mad looking for patterns, which is what the human mind likes to do. For example:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WRf1jA0ucs[/youtube]

[richardhutnik]

Hey, and here we go... down the number 23 rabbit hole:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJW7heKTCTE[/youtube]

- Rich

[j4remi]

Even Gagas song Bad Romance starts off saying "Ra Ra", Ra means the sun God aka The All Seeing Eye.

I always thought that it was because RaRa ryhmes with GaGa

Or thats just what they want us to believe.....

*Points at TW's avatar*

He's one of "them" ...run.

[ezmoney707]

Even Gagas song Bad Romance starts off saying "Ra Ra", Ra means the sun God aka The All Seeing Eye.

I always thought that it was because RaRa ryhmes with GaGa

Or thats just what they want us to believe.....

*Points at TW's avatar*

He's one of "them" ...run.

I guess he didn't notice that

[TrueWarrior]

The illuminati **** gets annoying after a while. I think something's up, but not to the extent most do. I've said it before, but I think a lot of people consciously throw out that illuminati ish to spark controversy. If Em is railing against the Illuminati, what's up with the dual shows he's doing with Jay-Z or working together with Jay to promote DJ Hero or calling Jay a consultant of his? Cudi and BOB drunk talking about being on Satan's doorstep...because they're just outside of the Vegas strip...you know Sin City...but these dudes really believe that they drunkenly but consciously threw out masonic imagery at a random fan with a camera? Come on...reach. I'd rather discuss science and philosophy, not conspiracy theories and symbolism (especially when everything is damned symbol to these guys).

The interviews dont count as anything? Its not like all Im talking about are some signs in music videos. Its in lyrics and its in interviews. All the guys who magically died lately spoke up against them. Nobody else did. They all got their images tarnished first as a warning and then POOF disappeared.

But hey if you wanna turn a blind eye to it thats fine. The Illuminati seem to be very real. I dont think Im pulling evidence out of my ass here. That Cudi sequence was just one little thing. Hes got so much imagery in his videos if you saw all the vids I posted.

What you say about ODB, DMX, Tupac, Michael Jackson, and Pimp C? All a coincidence? Killuminati? Why do ALL these guys throw up the same devil signs? Even LeBron (Jayz' boy)? Whats the point? Why the checkered floors and the covering of ones right eye? Why the constant pyramid flashing? They're mocking you.

Em is obviously still chillin with Jay but he doesnt want a part of the game no more it seems but he cant totally break free yet. All he has to do is not yap about it and he will be fine, for now. Not to mention the Eminem Recovery stuff is more speculation on my part. Even though I think its clear he was in when he started out. 25 To Life is the most obvious example. Why does he have so much hate for the rap game? The same way DMX, Tupac, and ODB talked about it. Em just isnt being as up front with it as they were (again yet). Hes using the whole drugs thing as a front. Not that he wasnt on drugs, but if thats all you think hes been rappin about you're crazy.

And yea Im changing my avatar. Little did I know they been gettin in my head this whole time. Ha.

Its all there bro. Open your eyes.

[j4remi]

The illuminati **** gets annoying after a while. I think something's up, but not to the extent most do. I've said it before, but I think a lot of people consciously throw out that illuminati ish to spark controversy. If Em is railing against the Illuminati, what's up with the dual shows he's doing with Jay-Z or working together with Jay to promote DJ Hero or calling Jay a consultant of his? Cudi and BOB drunk talking about being on Satan's doorstep...because they're just outside of the Vegas strip...you know Sin City...but these dudes really believe that they drunkenly but consciously threw out masonic imagery at a random fan with a camera? Come on...reach. I'd rather discuss science and philosophy, not conspiracy theories and symbolism (especially when everything is damned symbol to these guys).

The interviews dont count as anything? Its not like all Im talking about are some signs in music videos. Its in lyrics and its in interviews. All the guys who magically died lately spoke up against them. Nobody else did. They all got their images tarnished first as a warning and then POOF disappeared.

But hey if you wanna turn a blind eye to it thats fine. The Illuminati seem to be very real. I dont think Im pulling evidence out of my ass here. That Cudi sequence was just one little thing. Hes got so much imagery in his videos if you saw all the vids I posted.

What you say about ODB, DMX, Tupac, Michael Jackson, and Pimp C? All a coincidence? Killuminati? Why do ALL these guys throw up the same devil signs? Even LeBron (Jayz' boy)? Whats the point? Why the checkered floors and the covering of ones right eye? Why the constant pyramid flashing? They're mocking you.

Em is obviously still chillin with Jay but he doesnt want a part of the game no more it seems. All he has to do is not yap about it and he will be fine.

And yea Im changing my avatar. Little did I know they been gettin in my head this whole time. Ha.

Its all there bro. Open your eyes.

It's all there...maybe. It's all about perception. Like the whole Free Mason thing...yes they exist, but people don't understand or know what's going on there so they assume the worst. You think I'm casting a blind eye, I think a bunch of people have forced square pieces into round holes and put together a patchwork theory.

Bron is Jay-Z's boy...of course he's going to throw up Jay-Z's symbol, especially at a show from an artist Jay-Z put on. This isn't Lebron calling out to the dark fathers, it's Lebron shouting out his boys. I didn't freak out when Q-Rich used to pound his head two times...or when J-Kidd blew a kiss before his FT's...or any of these other rituals players have...but I should flip on Bron for having his own thing?

Em chilling with Jay-Z after challenging the Illuminati according to you...how does that add up? Jay is like the big man, bringing in Rihanna, Kanye and Lebron...but he's cool with Em backing out and he's helping Eminem succeed in a HUGE concert event? It doesn't add up one way or the other.

ODB was crazy...always crazy...It wasn't the illuminati ruining his image when dude went to collect a welfare check on MTV or rushed the Grammy's to point out his expensive suit.

Pac CLEARLY beat up a gang member...right before he got shot. He was notoriously planning a split from Suge Knight...I don't buy the Illuminati thing when Pac was fighting the system since he got outta Digital Underground. He still kicked tracks about sex and thug life, so it's not like he wasn't promoting "evil" habits.

If DMX dies on the 25th of any month, I may change my tune...but even that deaths on 25th thing was really only 2 people and a third guy who happened to be 25.

I do believe that there are men in high places helping each other get one over on us. I don't think they're an evil group out to bring about the Satan movement. I think it's just greedy people doing what suits their character. I own a couple of skull shirts...the design is dope...I'm not hypnotized and I'm not a member of some evil organization. I'm not afraid to enter a triangular building or any other shape of building. I don't run away when someone's repping stars. Nelly's band-aid and Lisa's left eye don't mean anything to me. I do think Gaga knows what she's doing...but I've heard her speak in interviews and she's not an air-head or a robot or seemingly under anyone's control.

[ewing399]

lol the illuminati is a cute idea, but i doubt that it truly exist. its a far too easy of an explanation.

basically four main entities that govern the world.

- big business
- big government
- organized crime
- and organized religion

All four have two things in common;
- they prey on people's fears
- and they all profit from that

you don't need a formal conspiracy of men meeting up when interest converge. they all know what good for them.

[TrueWarrior]

It's all there...maybe. It's all about perception. Like the whole Free Mason thing...yes they exist, but people don't understand or know what's going on there so they assume the worst. You think I'm casting a blind eye, I think a bunch of people have forced square pieces into round holes and put together a patchwork theory.

Bron is Jay-Z's boy...of course he's going to throw up Jay-Z's symbol, especially at a show from an artist Jay-Z put on. This isn't Lebron calling out to the dark fathers, it's Lebron shouting out his boys. I didn't freak out when Q-Rich used to pound his head two times...or when J-Kidd blew a kiss before his FT's...or any of these other rituals players have...but I should flip on Bron for having his own thing?

Em chilling with Jay-Z after challenging the Illuminati according to you...how does that add up? Jay is like the big man, bringing in Rihanna, Kanye and Lebron...but he's cool with Em backing out and he's helping Eminem succeed in a HUGE concert event? It doesn't add up one way or the other.

ODB was crazy...always crazy...It wasn't the illuminati ruining his image when dude went to collect a welfare check on MTV or rushed the Grammy's to point out his expensive suit.

Pac CLEARLY beat up a gang member...right before he got shot. He was notoriously planning a split from Suge Knight...I don't buy the Illuminati thing when Pac was fighting the system since he got outta Digital Underground. He still kicked tracks about sex and thug life, so it's not like he wasn't promoting "evil" habits.

If DMX dies on the 25th of any month, I may change my tune...but even that deaths on 25th thing was really only 2 people and a third guy who happened to be 25.

I do believe that there are men in high places helping each other get one over on us. I don't think they're an evil group out to bring about the Satan movement. I think it's just greedy people doing what suits their character. I own a couple of skull shirts...the design is dope...I'm not hypnotized and I'm not a member of some evil organization. I'm not afraid to enter a triangular building or any other shape of building. I don't run away when someone's repping stars. Nelly's band-aid and Lisa's left eye don't mean anything to me. I do think Gaga knows what she's doing...but I've heard her speak in interviews and she's not an air-head or a robot or seemingly under anyone's control.

Look Im not gonna push stuff on you. Just trying to make you think a little bit. This may be hard to swallow no doubt. I didnt realize how deep the rabbit hole went with this. Its Illuminati mania on youtube right now . I just think theres a lot of evidence here. I wouldnt waste my time otherwise. Ive sensed something has been up for a while with the blatant dumbing down of music. We dont know alot of whats going on in the world and are made to believe certain things. In the words of DMX "dont believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see."

Either way we will find out soon, maybe 2012, if this junk is legit or not. Right now they aren't hurting us directly but only god knows what all these people are up to.

With that said LeBron can flash as many 666 signs as he wants if he joins the Knicks. Even if now I think if he does come here it will just be for world domination .

[NYKnick87]

Why would all these rappers even be part of the Illuminati? Why would they even be recruited? How would their inclusion further the Illuminati's goal of a new world order? Ask yourself - does it make sense?

[richardhutnik]

The Illuminati, as it is blown up to be in this thread, and among others on here, is a mental construct people make up to define a group of people who coordinate in the area of maximizing human potential, and have the desire to control things. There are things afoot, but if people think the concepts of "worshipping Satan" or "worshipping evil" involves some sort of rituals and robes and whatnot, then I think people would be sadly disappointed.

I think one can look at the group Anonymous to get an idea how people organize themselves and do things in this manner. What happens via self-organization ends up being what appears to be some sort of clandestine cabal at work:
For more info on self-organization, see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization

Throw in a group of people who share similar values, like in being the New Age Movement, or being rich and powerful and having influence, and you end up with what looks like some secret organization, when it isn't such. Al Qaeda is another example of one of these entities. Remember how there was talk of how al Qaeda would have underground bases with Bin Laden at top, with some sort of world map and him on top, plotting things out. All you had to do was drop bombs on the HQ and it dies. Well, nope. In self-organizing entities, there is no top to kill. You can have leaders that will rally and communicate, but it is too loose to dispose of.

Ok, now maybe I punctured the balloon of those who want to believe in the whole organized cabal with initiation rights and a clear chain of command, and the idea of some master scheme of evil afoot. Well, take heart, all you who want to spin things this way. What I describe is an ideal environment for evil as an entity to function. It remains hidden, is able to influence, but can't be found. And when you think you nail it down in the paradigms you are used to, you look like you are nuts. Also, if you strongly push this, you can very likely go insane... or at least appear to be insane in the process.

Anyone want to spin this entire talk into the area of chaos theory while we are at it, and the mechanics of self-organization? It would end up going back into the area of evolution, by the way.

- Rich