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Cousins or Johnson

DeMarcus Cousins
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Wesley Johnson
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Post#101 » by TrentTuckerForever » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:51 pm

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Klomp wrote:Now, I'm not sure if this is a valid comparison, but I certainly see some comparisons. Look back 20 years to the 1990 NBA Draft. Anyone see similarities between Cousins/Johnson and Coleman/Scott?

Coleman was talented, but clearly had some personal and character issues he had to deal with. Meanwhile, while Scott might not have been as talented as Coleman, he was a vital piece of the Magic's success.

Coleman was only on one team with more than 50 wins in a season, in his final season in the league with the Pistons. He played 5 games that year, Darko Milicic played 37. That was also only the 3rd season his teams advanced past the first round of the playoffs, and first time past the conference semifinals. By contrast, Scott was on four 50 win teams and played in the Finals.

Look ahead to now. Cousins is CLEARLY the more talented player. However, there are still many concerns around him off the court. While Johnson might not be as well-rounded as Cousins, he does one thing really well....three point shooting.

New Jersey drafted Coleman because they felt he was the best player on the board. But did they do good enough on their homework, looking at other areas of his life? I'm not saying they should've taken Scott #1, but I don't think its a coincidence that Scott had the better career.

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God bless you for trying. I think you missed the mark by a good amount, but I appreciate the effort.


I like the analysis. Coleman is the best historic comparison to Cousins I've seen, in terms of talent, body style and question marks. He's a very fair comparison. Scott and Johnson is maybe a stretch, but they are the same overall caliber of player. Which is why a rebuilding team like the Wolves takes Cousins.
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Post#102 » by Krapinsky » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:58 pm

What has Cousins done to deserve the "question marks" comparison to Cousins?
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Post#103 » by princeofpalace » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:00 pm

If the Nets pass, the No. 4 Timberwolves will likely do the same, since he didn't work out for them and has sent negative vibes about playing in Minnesota. He performed well in a workout for Sacramento, which picks at No. 5, and declined to go to No. 6 Golden State. His desired location is Detroit (No. 7), especially after spending two secretive days with the Pistons two weeks ago, but Detroit knows it probably will have to trade up to get him.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&page=cousins-100620

Doesnt seem like Cousins is interested in the Wolves or Golden State
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Post#104 » by Klomp » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:04 pm

Krapinsky wrote:What has Cousins done to deserve the "question marks" comparison to Cousins?


Isn't it obvious to compare yourself with yourself?
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Post#105 » by Krapinsky » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:11 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:What has Cousins done to deserve the "question marks" comparison to Cousins?


Isn't it obvious to compare yourself with yourself?


Good point. Maybe he deserves it then.
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Post#106 » by LordBaldric » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:30 pm

ESPN Outside the Lines segment on Cousins:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=529348 ... id=2378529
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Post#107 » by collin_k41 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:10 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
If the Nets pass, the No. 4 Timberwolves will likely do the same, since he didn't work out for them and has sent negative vibes about playing in Minnesota. He performed well in a workout for Sacramento, which picks at No. 5, and declined to go to No. 6 Golden State. His desired location is Detroit (No. 7), especially after spending two secretive days with the Pistons two weeks ago, but Detroit knows it probably will have to trade up to get him.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&page=cousins-100620

Doesnt seem like Cousins is interested in the Wolves or Golden State


We've talked about this before and the conclusion is that at this point there is no reason to workout here because we already have a plethora of bigs so he believes we will take WJ. Doesn't mean he won't come here. He's actually said he'll play anywhere.
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Post#108 » by urinesane » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:14 pm

I really hope we take Cousins at the 4 spot. The more I see of him the more I like and I think he has super star potential, which Wes just doesn't have.
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Post#109 » by Esohny » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:17 pm

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princeofpalace wrote:
If the Nets pass, the No. 4 Timberwolves will likely do the same, since he didn't work out for them and has sent negative vibes about playing in Minnesota. He performed well in a workout for Sacramento, which picks at No. 5, and declined to go to No. 6 Golden State. His desired location is Detroit (No. 7), especially after spending two secretive days with the Pistons two weeks ago, but Detroit knows it probably will have to trade up to get him.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&page=cousins-100620

Doesnt seem like Cousins is interested in the Wolves or Golden State


We've talked about this before and the conclusion is that at this point there is no reason to workout here because we already have a plethora of bigs so he believes we will take WJ. Doesn't mean he won't come here. He's actually said he'll play anywhere.


He also said at the combine that he got a good vibe from the Wolves. This stuff lately is all his agent.
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Post#110 » by collin_k41 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:53 pm

And to be honest I don't really mind all the so-called "negative vibes" on DMC working out or even being drafted by us. This stuff obviously has Sact. salivating so if WJ is the guy Kahn thinks he wants then a pick swap with added value would be really nice. It'd help with all the pain I'd feel if we don't end up with Cousins.
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Post#111 » by Vega06 » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:13 am

The Kings would be well on their way to being a damn good team if Cousins fell to them. It would be irresponsible for us not to draft him.
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Post#112 » by TRUEwolvesFAN04 » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:16 am

I'm really stuck between the two right now. For some reason i just don't think that DMC is going to be the "superstar" player that everyone is hyping him up to be. I know he is dominant and all, but he also doesn't fit into the running system we're supposedly going to be running. I've been watching youtube vids of both of these guys and Wes Johnson really impresses me. Imagine a fast break led by Rubio with Wes and Corey.

Also agree with one of the previous poters.. Great consolidation for Evan Turner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU3j4RlsZ6E
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Post#113 » by Vega06 » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:37 am

Cousins moves well for a guy his size. And you don't need 5 players to run a fast break anyway.
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Post#114 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:46 am

Vega06 wrote:Cousins moves well for a guy his size. And you don't need 5 players to run a fast break anyway.


That was the excuse we gave last offseason, and look at how little we ran.
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Post#115 » by AQuintus » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:52 am

Klomp wrote:That was the excuse we gave last offseason, and look at how little we ran.


It's kind of hard to run if you can't get a defensive stop.
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Post#116 » by Esohny » Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:24 am

Klomp wrote:
Vega06 wrote:Cousins moves well for a guy his size. And you don't need 5 players to run a fast break anyway.


That was the excuse we gave last offseason, and look at how little we ran.


Shrug. Why don't we trade all of our assets for most of Golden State's d-leaguers? They're great at running. They don't win, but hey, they're great at running.
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Post#117 » by john2jer » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:54 am

Klomp wrote:
Vega06 wrote:Cousins moves well for a guy his size. And you don't need 5 players to run a fast break anyway.


That was the excuse we gave last offseason, and look at how little we ran.


Wolves were 3rd in PACE of play and 3rd in FGA. If that's not running, then I don't know what is. The problem was we couldn't finish those posessions off with a basket. We definitely were a running team last year.
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Post#118 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:07 am

I'm not sure PoP necessarily means we ran all the time though. I remember lots of times when guys would take bad shots early in the shot clock. We weren't running, but we weren't executing our half court offense either.
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Post#119 » by Krapinsky » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:30 am

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Klomp wrote:
Vega06 wrote:Cousins moves well for a guy his size. And you don't need 5 players to run a fast break anyway.


That was the excuse we gave last offseason, and look at how little we ran.


Wolves were 3rd in PACE of play and 3rd in FGA. If that's not running, then I don't know what is. The problem was we couldn't finish those posessions off with a basket. We definitely were a running team last year.


How much of that has to do with teams just scoring on us with ease though.
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Post#120 » by wildvikeswolves » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:37 am

LordBaldric wrote:ESPN Outside the Lines segment on Cousins:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=529348 ... id=2378529


i cant believe were really about to pass on this guy for wes johnson

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