Interested in Kirk Hinrich

[C-Los_Bullsfan]

Hi, Pacer Nation. Just a Bulls fan here, wondering if y'all would have any interest in a fellow by the name of Kirk Hinrich. He's a solid combo guard, and a defensive specialist. Even though he makes almost 9 million dollars a year, his contract is declining and only has two more years left on his deal. Our GM Gar Forman, on friday said that he is shopping our draft pick, #17 overall, only if something else would be packaged with it. Mostly Likely Kirk Hinrch or Luol Deng. I know y'all not interested in Deng, because you have Danny Granger, but what is you guys interest level in Hinrich and our draft pick. Assuming you guys have some cash to spend this summer, and if your interested in Hinrich, we wouldn't want alot in return because, were interested in cutting more cap room for this summer's free agency class that begins in 10 days. The draft is in 5 days. Just let me know about your interest level in this proposal. Thanks!

[fienX420]

tj ford for hinrich & 17 - zdoit.

[basketballwacko2]

Indiana has no Cap space to absorb any salary. I was thinking Dunleavy for Hinrich and #17 would work but if the Bulls are looking to cut salary that's not gonna get it done.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah, at the least, it's going to take the #17 to take him on for our expirings (and we might have to ship out Dahntay Jones in the deal as well - he's our only long-term salary that we might have interest in dropping) just to consider him.


He's not a great PG. He's not even really played well. Part of that is because he's such a consummate teammate and has had to adjust to playing off the ball since Derrick Rose arrived in town, but his value has dropped considerably after he's played consistently worse for 3 straight full seasons and something like 250 straight games. The Bulls are either going to have to pay to dump him, or play him at PG and build his value again.

[jarrettjackfan]

Indiana has no Cap space to absorb any salary. I was thinking Dunleavy for Hinrich and #17 would work but if the Bulls are looking to cut salary that's not gonna get it done.

I know the Bulls are looking to deal Hinrich, but they aren't going to deal him and their first round pick for Dunleavy. I would settle for a straight up deal of Dunleavy for Hinrich myself...but they aren't going to add a top-20 pick along with a player who is better than Dunleavy just for a player who hasn't had the same game since hurting his knee, it's just not happening. If we do pull off that deal somehow some way though, I'll be the happiest NBA fan around.

[fienX420]

well, that's just the price for expiring contracts. if a team doesn't want to give up a decent player and a draft pick then they can go suck on it. someone else will pay up. and if nobody does, we put ourselves in an awesome financial position. and then you can buy picks & players - somebody will come for the money.

[8305]

Hinrich and pick 17 fpr TJ Ford saves the Bulls a little money in the short term and saves them the last year of Hinrich's deal. If the Bulls put this offer on the table the Pacers would have to take it. I can't see the Bulls being that desperate to move Hinrich.

If the Pacers are unable to use pick 10 to acquire a young pg like Collison or Lawson then something like Murphy for Hinrich makes sense to me. That scenario assumes drafting one of Davis, Udoh or Patterson with our first pick. A less effective Hinrich would still be significant upgrade over what the Pacers have been using at pg.

[fienX420]

nah... we got a hold out for murphy. we need a starting/star pg AND pf for murphy. gotta be paul/okafor or sessions/jefferson... something. this is the one year we have our expirings. and next summer is the one year we'll have our cap space. gotta make it count.

[8305]

nah... we got a hold out for murphy. we need a starting/star pg AND pf for murphy. gotta be paul/okafor or sessions/jefferson... something. this is the one year we have our expirings. and next summer is the one year we'll have our cap space. gotta make it count.

Gotta think you are joking or seriously overvaluing Murphy.

[fienX420]

come on. look at some recent trades. you can get a lot for expirings or cap space. on top of that, troy will give you a double-double and can hit the three. i'm not saying you get all a pg/pf combo for just murphy, but the package that includes him needs to have that kind of return.

[basketballwacko2]

nah... we got a hold out for murphy. we need a starting/star pg AND pf for murphy. gotta be paul/okafor or sessions/jefferson... something. this is the one year we have our expirings. and next summer is the one year we'll have our cap space. gotta make it count.

You are not getting Paul/Okafor for Expiring contracts, Murphy is a pretty good player but unless you're adding in Granger, Rush and Hibbertt plus the #10, the Hornets would hang up on you.

[basketballwacko2]

come on. look at some recent trades. you can get a lot for expirings or cap space. on top of that, troy will give you a double-double and can hit the three. i'm not saying you get all a pg/pf combo for just murphy, but the package that includes him needs to have that kind of return.

Like what Hawes and Nocioni for Dally? That's not a lot unless Hawes becomes much better because Nocioni is bearly average!

Now you might be able to get Gilbert Arenas for Murphy and Filler, but we don't want him after what happened last season, or Turkaglu and #13, or Hinrich and #17. You might be able to get Okafor and Collison for Murphy, Rush and #10 but ???

The problem is the guys we have are expiring next season and the huge Free Agents, LBJ, Bosh, Wade, Amare are all gonna be up for bid this summer! Who is gonna be available next summer? Maybe Chris Paul and Tony Parker?

I think you are over valuing expriring contracts.

[Boneman2]

well, that's just the price for expiring contracts. if a team doesn't want to give up a decent player and a draft pick then they can go suck on it. someone else will pay up. and if nobody does, we put ourselves in an awesome financial position. and then you can buy picks & players - somebody will come for the money.

Well put.

Typically I wouldn't give squat for Hinrich, but since we're in a pinch, I'd give them a player that they'd get much more use out of. I'll go on record as saying Dunleavy is better than Hinrich, not because of the expiring, but rather because of skills. Hinrich would only serve us because he can bring it up better than Dunleavy. That's it. Since Hinrich is paid like and all-star for 2 more seasons backing up Rose, I'd say it would be forgiveable for Chicago to give up the 17th pick (Note:Larry hit the jackpot @17).

[8305]

Is Hinrich better than Dunleavy or Murphy for that matter? Depends on what you need. None of them are good enough to make a remarkable difference on an NBA team. For several seasons I have expected the Pacers to evolve into a team where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. It hasn't happened. In fact last year you can argue the team didn't play to its talent level.

I've concluded that the pieces don't fit. Take Murphy and Hibbert. Nice inside/outside combo on offense but defensively it just doesn't work. Both are too slow. Couple that with TJ Ford (below average defender) and Mike Dunleavy (a deficient on ball defender) and you can see why on its best day this team is bad defensively.

Make the Murphy for Hinrich trade and you fix two problems. Now Hansbrough plays the four. He and HIbbert complement one another much better as Tyler brings a degree of toughness and athelticism you don't get from Murphy. You also have a point guard who more instinctively passes rather than dribbles (exactly what O'Brien wants from the position).

Starting line up of
pg Hinrich
sg Rush
sf Granger
pf Hansbrough
c Hibbert
will be much better defensively and probably better offensively.

This trade would also allow the Pacers the luxury of taking the bpa at pick 10 and if the Bulls were to throw pick 17 into this trade you could draft Eric Bledsoe and know he doesn't have to play big minutes immediately.

[fienX420]

Like what Hawes and Nocioni for Dally?

not sure how that trade is relevant. horrible contracts on both sides of that trade.

[fienX420]

oh god, comparing hansbrough to murphy at this point is way beyond putting the cart before the horse. murphy is a legitimate nba player - one of the few on our team. until we have someone else who's proven himself, we've gotta hold onto him for dear life.

[Starkiller]

oh god, comparing hansbrough to murphy at this point is way beyond putting the cart before the horse. murphy is a legitimate nba player - one of the few on our team. until we have someone else who's proven himself, we've gotta hold onto him for dear life.

Why? To win a few more games and once again shoot our draft position down? Murphy is getting shipped for pieces, no sense in letting his contract run out and nothing out of it.

And if we can get Hinrich & #17 for TJ we better do it.

[Wizop]

any TJ trade that doesn't involve blowing all of next year's cap room must be done. if we could get Hinrich for him, I'd keep Murphy and expect to be a playoff team. okay, it's June and as I say every June if you can't be optimistic in the summer you just aren't a fan, but I really think Kirk fits OB's scheme.

[8305]

oh god, comparing hansbrough to murphy at this point is way beyond putting the cart before the horse. murphy is a legitimate nba player - one of the few on our team. until we have someone else who's proven himself, we've gotta hold onto him for dear life.

Hold onto Troy Murphy for dear life??? I don't think I've ever read that on this site before. No arguement his body of work can't be compared to Hansbrough. But its not unusual to create playing time for a lottery pick. In fact its desireable. There's a reason Hansbrough was drafted and that reason trumps a need to keep Troy Murphy. And you still have the very likely drafting of another power forward.

[CircleCitysportsfan]

I can post from my phone......sweet lol