MIN rejects #10 for Flynn

I'm torn as #10 could be Henry and we could always get Bradley or Bledsoe around 23 as a backup until Ricky comes. Maybe we can subsitute Sessions and #23.

pacersrule08 · Post #9 » by **pacersrule08** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:04 pm

sessions gomes 16th and 23rd for ford and 10th?

Post #10 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:05 pm

Klomp to the rescue

funkatron101 · Post #11 » by **funkatron101** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:06 pm

pacersrule08 wrote:sessions gomes 16th and 23rd for ford and 10th?

I think that has been discussed around here as a possibility.

Cyborg21 · Post #12 » by **Cyborg21** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:06 pm

Good...

shrink · Post #13 » by **shrink** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:13 pm

funkatron101 wrote:
pacersrule08 wrote:sessions gomes 16th and 23rd for ford and 10th?

I think that has been discussed around here as a possibility.

I actually used IND as an example of a team that would value Gomes partially-guaranteed deal, when one columnist suggested he was the most likely player in the NBA to be traded. I didn't break down IND's finances perfectly since it was about Gomes, so I hope my estimates are close.

For example, let me run some guestimations of an Indiana trade. I don't have time to do all the math, and they have a number of partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed deals, which would need to be replaced with roster holds, so let me just make some blanket estimates, and I hopefully won't get IND fans too mad at me.

Let's assume that after IND signs their #10 pick and fills out their roster, they are at $69 mil and the lux threshold is $66 mil. We offer them this "

Sessions + Gomes + #23 for TJ Ford + #10.

If they don't do the deal, their payroll is $75 mil ($69 + $3 for lux + $3 for lus share)

If they do this deal, they:

Save $3.3 mil in salary difference after waiving Gomes
Save $1.0 mil in salary difference from picks (after 120% raises)
Save $3.0 mil in luxury tax
Save $3.0 mil by retaining their lux share
$10.3 mil in total savings.

Now, its never fun to trade down a pick, but getting a young PG to grow with the team, moving TJ Ford to create the minutes, getting the #23 and saving over $10 mil might be worthwhile.

For MIN, it costs them $3.3 mil in raw cap space (if they waived Gomes themselves) and Sessions as a prospect, but we need to move either Foye or Sessions before 2011 Rubio anyway.

collin_k41 · Post #14 » by **collin_k41** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:24 pm

Honestly, I'd rather have Flynn than anybody available @10, including George.

horaceworthy · Post #15 » by **horaceworthy** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:26 pm

pacersrule08 wrote:sessions gomes 16th and 23rd for ford and 10th?

Not both of the picks and Sessions. One of them would be okay, both plus Sessions is too much.

Foye · Post #16 » by **Foye** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:32 pm

Glad, we do not trade Flynn for #10.
I seriously think we would regret it horribly. :dontknow:

LordBaldric · Post #17 » by **LordBaldric** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:37 pm

#10 for our future back up PG seems like a good deal to me, unless something better is lined up, which I doubt, or the rights to Rubio are destined to be traded.

Post #18 » by **Calinks** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:45 pm

I'm happy with keeping Flynn over the 10.

younggunsmn · Post #19 » by **younggunsmn** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:03 pm

Unless he absolutely blows up this is the best deal we are likely to get for him in the next 13 months before rubio has to make his decision.
This is the perfect storm where a team in his value range has a desperate need for a PG, and we like several players in that range who are better long-term fits.
We don't know what the filler was though. It could be Flynn+gomes for 10+ford (worse), or Flynn+hollins for 10+foster (better).

I can see Kahn wanting to explore all other opportunities to move up for a wing, but if this is our only opportunity to do so, and henry or george is on the board at 10, you have to pull the trigger.

Johnny's D was so bad that I am honestly just as comfortable with Sessions running the point full time next year.

I love to see something we've speculated about at length come out as a rumor (one we turned down no less).
If this was still on the table on draft day I'd do it in a heartbeat, grab henry at 10 and another good player either at 16 or with a trade-up. Cousins/henry/George would be an awesome draft.
Perhaps we have a trade-up already arranged not involving Indy?

If I were Kahn, dealing with Indy, these would be my priorities:
1. Granger
2. 16+23 for 10
3. Flynn for 10.

Kahn is obviously going to try all other options before dealing Jonny.

LordBaldric · Post #20 » by **LordBaldric** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:22 pm

Things would be different if not for Rubio, but in 1 year when Rubio comes over, Flynn gets penciled in to fill the Nate Robinson role. Who in their right mind would use a #10 pick to fill that role?

Sessions was much better than Flynn last season and is perfectly capable of holding down the fort until Rubio arrives. Draft Cousins and George/Henry, plus one or two other pieces with our 16+23 assets.

#10 is fair value for Flynn. Doubt anyone will offer that once his role gets downgraded. Not to mention it's factoring "potential" that he may never reach even if he did remain a starter.

Seems like a no brainer to me to pull the trigger on that deal.