Almost Johnny Flynn

pacersrule08 · Post #1 » by **pacersrule08** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:55 pm

T-Wolves turn down Pacers offer of the 10th pick for PG Jonny Flynn.

Well its good to see were active. i wouldnt mind flynn.

kdawg531 · Post #2 » by **kdawg531** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:11 pm

Was just going to post this. Good to see we're being active, but if we can't get Johnny Flynn for the 10th pick, how could we possibly get either Lawson or Collison for the #10? This concerns me a bit...

pacersrule08 · Post #3 » by **pacersrule08** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:14 pm

kdawg531 wrote:Was just going to post this. Good to see we're being active, but if we can't get Johnny Flynn for the 10th pick, how could we possibly get either Lawson or Collison for the #10? This concerns me a bit...

We would probably have to give up ford or murphy for flynn and other picks or people

Dunthreevy · Post #4 » by **Dunthreevy** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:14 pm

kdawg531 wrote:Was just going to post this. Good to see we're being active, but if we can't get Johnny Flynn for the 10th pick, how could we possibly get either Lawson or Collison for the #10? This concerns me a bit...

Flynn put up superior numbers than Lawson and pretty much identical numbers as Collison.

MNRunLeft · Post #5 » by **MNRunLeft** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:41 pm

Dunthreevy wrote:
kdawg531 wrote:Was just going to post this. Good to see we're being active, but if we can't get Johnny Flynn for the 10th pick, how could we possibly get either Lawson or Collison for the #10? This concerns me a bit...

Flynn put up superior numbers than Lawson and pretty much identical numbers as Collison.

Not to mention the fact that Flynn played with less talent around him than Lawson certainly and probably Collison as well even when Paul was out.

Dunthreevy · Post #6 » by **Dunthreevy** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:45 pm

MNRunLeft wrote:
Dunthreevy wrote:
kdawg531 wrote:Was just going to post this. Good to see we're being active, but if we can't get Johnny Flynn for the 10th pick, how could we possibly get either Lawson or Collison for the #10? This concerns me a bit...

Flynn put up superior numbers than Lawson and pretty much identical numbers as Collison.

Not to mention the fact that Flynn played with less talent around him than Lawson certainly and probably Collison as well even when Paul was out.

If I had my choice of the 3, I'd rate them

1. Flynn
2. Collison
3. Lawson

kdawg531 · Post #7 » by **kdawg531** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:13 pm

I apologize, I should start looking up stats more often before I make a post on someone.

Starkiller · Post #8 » by **Starkiller** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:14 pm

Let them have Ford, why the hell not, he is useless to us.

MNRunLeft · Post #9 » by **MNRunLeft** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:25 pm

Starkiller wrote:Let them have Ford, why the hell not, he is useless to us.

I don't see Ford having any real value to the Wolves, if anything he'd make the deal better for Indy who'd get out from under his salary while eating into the Wolves capspace for this summer.

Dunthreevy · Post #10 » by **Dunthreevy** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:34 pm

kdawg531 wrote:I apologize, I should start looking up stats more often before I make a post on someone.

They're pretty good indicators of how good a player is/can be.

funkatron101 · Post #11 » by **funkatron101** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:43 pm

from Shrink on the Wolves Board:

shrink wrote:For example, let me run some guestimations of an Indiana trade. I don't have time to do all the math, and they have a number of partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed deals, which would need to be replaced with roster holds, so let me just make some blanket estimates, and I hopefully won't get IND fans too mad at me.

Let's assume that after IND signs their #10 pick and fills out their roster, they are at $69 mil and the lux threshold is $66 mil. We offer them this "

Sessions + Gomes + #23 for TJ Ford + #10.

If they don't do the deal, their payroll is $75 mil ($69 + $3 for lux + $3 for lus share)

If they do this deal, they:

Save $3.3 mil in salary difference after waiving Gomes
Save $1.0 mil in salary difference from picks (after 120% raises)
Save $3.0 mil in luxury tax
Save $3.0 mil by retaining their lux share
$10.3 mil in total savings.

Now, its never fun to trade down a pick, but getting a young PG to grow with the team, moving TJ Ford to create the minutes, getting the #23 and saving over $10 mil might be worthwhile.

PaceWalker · Post #12 » by **PaceWalker** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:36 pm

I wouldn't get too worried about this. I think a big part of the reason the Wolves didn't do this is that they already have 3 first round picks and adding the 10th would be a LOT of rookie salary to pay out not to mention how young the team would be. They would want a vet or expirings in return.

I don't think this is an indication of we can't get Collison or Lawson.

Post #13 » by **Charcoal Filtered** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:41 pm

@WojYahooNBA: Minnesota offering Jonny Flynn and two first-round picks (16 and 23) to Indiana for a package that includes the 10th pick.
1 minute ago via TweetDeck

kdawg531 · Post #14 » by **kdawg531** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:44 pm

Dunthreevy wrote:
kdawg531 wrote:I apologize, I should start looking up stats more often before I make a post on someone.

They're pretty good indicators of how good a player is/can be.

Yeah obviously, I was just basing my initial comment on Flynn from the few times I have watched him play.

Starkiller · Post #15 » by **Starkiller** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:55 pm

Charcoal Filtered wrote:@WojYahooNBA: Minnesota offering Jonny Flynn and two first-round picks (16 and 23) to Indiana for a package that includes the 10th pick.
1 minute ago via TweetDeck

I like that idea, because the package won't include Danny or Roy. Do it.

kdawg531 · Post #16 » by **kdawg531** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:03 am

Starkiller wrote:
Charcoal Filtered wrote:@WojYahooNBA: Minnesota offering Jonny Flynn and two first-round picks (16 and 23) to Indiana for a package that includes the 10th pick.
1 minute ago via TweetDeck

I like that idea, because the package won't include Danny or Roy. Do it.

What else is in this package?? It couldn't be one of our expirings... Rush perhaps?

pacersrule08 · Post #17 » by **pacersrule08** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:21 am

WTF!!!! BIRD COME ON.

A PG IN FLYNN
TWO DRAFT PICKS WERE WE COULD DRAFT EKPE UDOH IN PAUL GEORGE.
IDC IF RUSH WAS INVOLVED!
WHAT THE HELL IS BIRD THINKING?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

J_Ray · Post #18 » by **J_Ray** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:24 am

It just says a package including the #10 pick. If that is the case, I'm sure there was robbery somewhere along in that package. Also Flynn put up horrible efficiency numbers, and just put up #'s because he was on Minnesota. If you look at the +/- stats, T'Wolves were a winning team with Sessions in with the starters and Flynn on the pine. There's a reason for that, and Flynn was a reach last year. Flynn is a 5'10" combo guard pretty much and wouldn't bring anything different from what T.J. Ford does.

pacersrule08 · Post #19 » by **pacersrule08** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:30 am

yea but look at this starting lineup we would be set for 10 years!

Flynn
George
Granger
Ekpe Udoh
Roy Hibbert

2 WORDS

HOLY SH*T

8305 · Post #20 » by **8305** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:35 am

J_Ray wrote:It just says a package including the #10 pick. If that is the case, I'm sure there was robbery somewhere along in that package. Also Flynn put up horrible efficiency numbers, and just put up #'s because he was on Minnesota. If you look at the +/- stats, T'Wolves were a winning team with Sessions in with the starters and Flynn on the pine. There's a reason for that, and Flynn was a reach last year. Flynn is a 5'10" combo guard pretty much and wouldn't bring anything different from what T.J. Ford does.

The Ford/Flynn comparision is interesting. I can see some similarities too. Two things come to mind that could differentiate the two.

1. Flynn can shoot
2. Flynn is reputed to have leadership skills and be very popular with team mates.

I still like Collison better.