Should the Cavs rebuild or Re-load?

[heathmalc]

Over the next 78 hours, the NBA draft will be completed, and many teams will have made trades or at-least overtures. Others, like the Cavs, may look to grab a coach, make a player(s) trade, and/or grab 1 or more picks for the draft.

Keep in-mind that a player who is drafted cannot be traded for 30 days (I believe that is accurate...not looking at rule right now ).

So what will the Cavaliers do? Anything?

[Triumph36]

Over the next 78 hours, the NBA draft will be completed, and many teams will have made trades or at-least overtures. Others, like the Cavs, may look to grab a coach, make a player(s) trade, and/or grab 1 or more picks for the draft.

Keep in-mind that a player who is drafted cannot be traded for 30 days (I believe that is accurate...not looking at rule right now ).

So what will the Cavaliers do? Anything?

Actually, it's 30 days after SIGNING with the team, not being drafted.

I don't know what they will do but they better do something. And by something I don't mean buying some pick in the 50s.

[heathmalc]

Over the next 78 hours, the NBA draft will be completed, and many teams will have made trades or at-least overtures. Others, like the Cavs, may look to grab a coach, make a player(s) trade, and/or grab 1 or more picks for the draft.

Keep in-mind that a player who is drafted cannot be traded for 30 days (I believe that is accurate...not looking at rule right now ).

So what will the Cavaliers do? Anything?

Actually, it's 30 days after SIGNING with the team, not being drafted.

I don't know what they will do but they better do something. And by something I don't mean buying some pick in the 50s.

Yeah, that sounds right. But since ALL 1st round picks are stuck in rookie contracts, they are pretty much signed once they are drafted. I'm sure there are loop-holes, as with everything else, but it is about 30 days from the day they get drafted (for 99% of p1st rnd draftees, as they are more likely than not to sign their contract) So, for most 1st rounders, they will likely sign their contracts on Friday, or Monday - or go overseas & sign with European team; making them available approximately 1 month after the draft.

[Rise Against]

Didn't Windhorst say that the Cavs are looking to make a big trade on draft day? And hopefully, the Cavs will have a coach by then, even though that is pretty doubtful.

[heathmalc]

Didn't Windhorst say that the Cavs are looking to make a big trade on draft day? And hopefully, the Cavs will have a coach by then, even though that is pretty doubtful.

Dunno...didn't hear it. But I did judt hear a rumor on 850am in Indy... I posted it in the trades section, since that is what it dealt with.

[SJSF]

I bet the Cavs fans are in a state of shock knowing that their franchise might be in a 180 degree direction. LeBron should stay though.

[TheOUTLAW]

I think Cavs fans are cautiously optimistic.

[heathmalc]

I bet the Cavs fans are in a state of shock knowing that their franchise might be in a 180 degree direction. LeBron should stay though.

It's a good thing you cannot place your life savings & everything you own on that bet... because I am 100% positive you would walk away broke, with nothing to your name. (Which would mean you couldn't post here anymore )

Seriously...

Cavalier fans are in no state of shock. How could they be? All they have heard for the last 5 years is how LeBron would go to New York or some other city. If that actually did happen, where would the "shock" come from? All Cavaliers fans know that if the team they cheer for loses LeBron, that it will not win anywhere near the number of games that it has won with him. No surprise (or shock) there.

What would "shock" Cavalier fans is if Phil Jackson decided to become coach of the Cavaliers...for free, and if Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson, and Dwayne Wade signed with the Cavaliers for the Veteran minimum. THAT would "shock" the fans of Cleveland. The Cavaliers losing 50 games without LeBron on the team is no shock at all.

[TheOUTLAW]

5yrs, people have been saying for 7 yrs that LeBron would leave the Cavs. Of course the do tend to ignore the fact that he's already resigned with the Cavs once.

[heathmalc]

5yrs, people have been saying for 7 yrs that LeBron would leave the Cavs. Of course the do tend to ignore the fact that he's already resigned with the Cavs once.

True that

[BrooklynBulls]

Yeah, that sounds right. But since ALL 1st round picks are stuck in rookie contracts, they are pretty much signed once they are drafted. I'm sure there are loop-holes, as with everything else, but it is about 30 days from the day they get drafted (for 99% of p1st rnd draftees, as they are more likely than not to sign their contract) So, for most 1st rounders, they will likely sign their contracts on Friday, or Monday - or go overseas & sign with European team; making them available approximately 1 month after the draft.

The contract values are set, but the date at which they sign the contract fluctuates. Almost all 1st rounders sign during the offseason in which they are drafted, but there is timing involved. If a team wants to move their draft pick, they merely don't sign him, and that way, they can simply trade his rights. The team that receives him can then sign him.

As for what the Cavs can do, I don't expect there to be much of anything TO do. I think they'll try to purchase a pick if anybody's selling, and since the Cavs have few desirable trade pieces that they'd be willing to give up, a draft night trade of any significance is a long shot.

[tidho]

...and since the Cavs have few desirable trade pieces that they'd be willing to give up, a draft night trade of any significance is a long shot.

We have a new GM, nobody knows who, if anyone (other than LBJ), is off limits.

The Cavaliers do have a couple very solid NBA starters, a 2nd team all-defensive big locked up to a reasonable contract, a young athletic big with upside, about $10M in expiring contracts including a a $4M non guarenteed deal, a few quality role players, two veteran centers that can be used in a sign and trade, a willingness to take on money, and a great reason to get something done.

I think significant is possible.

[BrooklynBulls]

I actually take that back. I forgot to consider Delonte. I think the possibility of a trade is fair now. I gotta get more sleep.

[heathmalc]

Miami would send #18 Plus James jones for West in a quick second. I think the Cavs are trying to get one of the 2nd rounders Miami has too (they have 3 of them).

The Cavs could then send Parker, Gibson, Powe to NOrleans for #11 and Omeka Okafor

Cavs would waive James Jones (6million guaranteed over nest 3 years).

The Cavs could then trade both the #11 & #18 with Varejao, Gibson, & Hickson for Bosh.


The Last one is a dream, but still it's possible. The first two would probably be accepted by the other teams real fast!

[B Mac]

I want no part of Emeka and his contract unless we are getting Collison back in return.

Also, am I reading correctly that you think the Cavs would waive someone with 3 years left on his contract? Cant see that being a possibility.

Finally, that package for Bosh is too much IMO. I really cant see it taking both our talented bigs and two mid-first rounders.

[heathmalc]

I want no part of Emeka and his contract unless we are getting Collison back in return.

Also, am I reading correctly that you think the Cavs would waive someone with 3 years left on his contract? Cant see that being a possibility.

Finally, that package for Bosh is too much IMO. I really cant see it taking both our talented bigs and two mid-first rounders.

Yes, they would.. and yes, he has three years left. WHY would they do it? Because only 1.7 is guaranteed in 2010, 1.8 in 2011, and 1.9 in 2012. IF they waive him by June 30th.
If they do not waive him, then his salary is guaranteed after July 1st for the full 3 years, for the full amount:$4,665,600 in 2010; $5,038,848 in 2011; $5,441,956 in 2012

So if they waive him, they pay 5.8 million dollars over 3 years. If they don't, then they pay $15.1 over the same period.... for a guy who cannot defend, has no handle, defends slightly better than a chair, and has no mid-range shot. His ONLY attribute, is he can shoot the 3-ball at about 38% ... NOT worth the mid-level (which is what we'd be paying him) if we do not waive him....assuming we made the trade.

[Rise Against]

Windhorst just posted this about 2 hours ago. Just took the important parts of the article.

Cleveland Cavaliers still pondering buying a pick in Thursday's NBA draft

At the end of the season, team owner Dan Gilbert said he hoped to get a draft pick by making a trade or buying a pick. According to league sources, those plans are being followed through. Over the last week the Cavs have amped up talks with other teams to set the stage for getting into the bottom half of the first round or in the second round.

The team is believed to be targeting big men who may be available. This draft doesn't have instant-impact centers or power forwards, but is generally regarded as being deep in big men. That is one of the reasons the Cavs may be interested. The team's second priority, it is believed, would be a point guard. There's a chance the team will be altering its backcourt before next season.

Williams update: On Monday, Yahoo! Sports reported the Trail Blazers were interested in trading for Mo Williams. League sources have indicated the Cavs have tested the market but aren't committed to trading him. Williams' three years and $26 million left on his contract make him challenging to trade, however the Cavs aren't believed to be interested in moving Williams unless they can get comparable talent back in return. If the Cavs trade a guard in the next several weeks, it will more likely be Delonte West, who has a contract that is only partially guaranteed for next season.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... _pond.html

[heathmalc]

Seems like Milwaukee is doing all the moves. Chris Douglas-Roberts, and Corey Maggette will revamp their 2/3 positions.

The Cavs could easily have sent AP & West for Maggette and the 44th pick. Let's hope they have something big going on and that's why they didn't make any move with any of the 4 teams that they had better deals for that ended-up trading with another team that was ready and on-the-ball.

I don't know about you guys, but I get the feeling the Cavs are sitting on their hands... Ferry style, and when all is said and done, all we'll have to talk about is "what could have been" and "what we should have done."

[B Mac]

I must admit I'm getting a little nervous that we havent heard much definitive talk yet. It seemed like there was more talk before the last two trade deadlines then what we are hearing now. Of course seeing how the last two deadlines went maybe thats better for us going into the draft. Its also quite possible that Grant keeps things very close to the chest and any rumors on lockdown.

I know one thing though, Im happy that Maggette wasnt our big move. Thats not a move that keeps LeBron.

[heathmalc]

I must admit I'm getting a little nervous that we havent heard much definitive talk yet. It seemed like there was more talk before the last two trade deadlines then what we are hearing now. Of course seeing how the last two deadlines went maybe thats better for us going into the draft. Its also quite possible that Grant keeps things very close to the chest and any rumors on lockdown.

I know one thing though, Im happy that Maggette wasnt our big move. Thats not a move that keeps LeBron.

True... but at-least Milwaukee is doing "something."

I don't particularly care if I "hear" about anything... I just wish they'd "do" something.