Enough for MN to jump to #3?

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Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#1 » by MN Die Hard » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:01 pm

Love and #16 for Humphries and #3?

NJ gets a beastly rebounder to play next to Lopez (although his name isnt Favors) plus a nice asset with the 16th pick.

MN's vision is to get longer and more athletic and can do it now with Favors and Johnson.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#2 » by rpa » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:03 pm

The whole point of getting Favors is to add defense, athleticism, & toughness next to Lopez. Can any of the previous 3 adjectives be used to describe Kevin Love?
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#3 » by MN Die Hard » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:05 pm

rpa wrote:The whole point of getting Favors is to add defense, athleticism, & toughness next to Lopez. Can any of the previous 3 adjectives be used to describe Kevin Love?


That almost seems like a rhetorical question.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#4 » by Krapinsky » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:09 pm

The whole point of getting Love is to get a player that can stretch the floor, play the pick and pop game, and to get a player that can step in and contribute right away. Can any of those descriptions be used to describe Derrick Favors?

BTW defense, athleticism and toughness are all nouns.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#5 » by Trader_Joe » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:21 pm

Krapinsky wrote:The whole point of getting Love is to get a player that can stretch the floor, play the pick and pop game, and to get a player that can step in and contribute right away. Can any of those descriptions be used to describe Derrick Favors?

BTW defense, athleticism and toughness are all nouns.

I don't understand this whole contribute now thing, and why this would matter to NJ.

First off, after today's workout NJ no longer sees Favors as a project, rather ready to play right away.

Secondly, a 12 win team doesn't worry about winning now. The new owner has already made a 5 year goal for a title... about when Favors will be coming into his own.

Third, Yi was a pick and pop player/stretch the floor player.. that got them no where.

Fourth, the Nets needs defense desperately, Love nor Yi, nor any of the FA PFs (other than Bosh) offer that.

Fifth, Favors has Howard like size when he came out, and can play PF or back-up C (a position of need for NJ) Love cannot play C.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#6 » by Winter Wonder » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:24 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
BTW defense, athleticism and toughness are all nouns.


Made me laugh.

MN fan that can't see NJ doing this, though I would not be surprised if something didn't happen with the NJ pick being traded.... My guess would be Detriot wants it the most for Cousins, no idea who they would trade.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#7 » by rpa » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:28 pm

Krapinsky wrote:The whole point of getting Love is to get a player that can stretch the floor, play the pick and pop game, and to get a player that can step in and contribute right away. Can any of
those descriptions be used to describe Derrick Favors?


Except if any of those wants/needs were true NJ wouldn't have been targeting Favors for the past month.

Krapinsky wrote:BTW defense, athleticism and toughness are all nouns.


Yeah, wrote it quickly.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#8 » by Krapinsky » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:32 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:The whole point of getting Love is to get a player that can stretch the floor, play the pick and pop game, and to get a player that can step in and contribute right away. Can any of those descriptions be used to describe Derrick Favors?

BTW defense, athleticism and toughness are all nouns.

I don't understand this whole contribute now thing, and why this would matter to NJ.

First off, after today's workout NJ no longer sees Favors as a project, rather ready to play right away.

Secondly, a 12 win team doesn't worry about winning now. The new owner has already made a 5 year goal for a title... about when Favors will be coming into his own.

Third, Yi was a pick and pop player/stretch the floor player.. that got them no where.

Fourth, the Nets needs defense desperately, Love nor Yi, nor any of the FA PFs (other than Bosh) offer that.

Fifth, Favors has Howard like size when he came out, and can play PF or back-up C (a position of need for NJ) Love cannot play C.


I was more so just making fun of the way he answered the question. Each player has their different advantages.

Although addressing your post, I do find it odd that you believe based on one workout of Favors NOT PLAYING AGAINST ANYBODY that you think the NJ brass was somehow convinced that Favors was ready to contribute right away. That my friend is a very laughable statement.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#9 » by Krapinsky » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:33 pm

rpa wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:The whole point of getting Love is to get a player that can stretch the floor, play the pick and pop game, and to get a player that can step in and contribute right away. Can any of
those descriptions be used to describe Derrick Favors?


Except if any of those wants/needs were true NJ wouldn't have been targeting Favors for the past month.

Krapinsky wrote:BTW defense, athleticism and toughness are all nouns.


Yeah, wrote it quickly.


You don't think it has more to do with Favors being the clear best available player at 3?
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#10 » by rpa » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:40 pm

Krapinsky wrote:You don't think it has more to do with Favors being the clear best available player at 3?


No. I think you can put Cousins on the same level and maybe even Johnson as far as fit goes (less potential but his floor is SO much higher than Favors is). Not only that but we also haven't heard much about the Nets trying to trade out of that 3rd spot (whereas we've heard a lot about other teams looking to move out of their position--like the Kings). If they really didn't want to put athleticism, defense, & toughness next to Lopez and they wanted a pick and pop kind of guy then wouldn't we have heard about them looking to move the pick?

I think Favors skillset/attributes mesh well with Lopez and it looks like the Nets agree. I don't think Love & Lopez would do all that well to be honest; too soft, too little defense.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#11 » by Trader_Joe » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:45 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:The whole point of getting Love is to get a player that can stretch the floor, play the pick and pop game, and to get a player that can step in and contribute right away. Can any of those descriptions be used to describe Derrick Favors?

BTW defense, athleticism and toughness are all nouns.

I don't understand this whole contribute now thing, and why this would matter to NJ.

First off, after today's workout NJ no longer sees Favors as a project, rather ready to play right away.

Secondly, a 12 win team doesn't worry about winning now. The new owner has already made a 5 year goal for a title... about when Favors will be coming into his own.

Third, Yi was a pick and pop player/stretch the floor player.. that got them no where.

Fourth, the Nets needs defense desperately, Love nor Yi, nor any of the FA PFs (other than Bosh) offer that.

Fifth, Favors has Howard like size when he came out, and can play PF or back-up C (a position of need for NJ) Love cannot play C.


I was more so just making fun of the way he answered the question. Each player has their different advantages.

Although addressing your post, I do find it odd that you believe based on one workout of Favors NOT PLAYING AGAINST ANYBODY that you think the NJ brass was somehow convinced that Favors was ready to contribute right away. That my friend is a very laughable statement.

Clearly Minny (and you) are targeting Favors for a reason. Kahn/Rambis's little decoy of Favors being out of shape, was refuted by Sacramento and NJ, where Favors body fat % has gone down since the pre-draft. Yes Favors, admits he could be in better shape (game shape), but 5% body fat, and 20 dunks in 60 seconds "w/o breaking a sweat" acc. to one reporter, says otherwise.

Meanwhile, I'm going by reports at the work out about Favors and not Thorn. Though.. Thorn is known for not letting his true feelings known (like most GM's) and they have been downplaying Favors readiness for some while, admitting he might take a year or two to develop. And, as I've already pointed out, that really is not an issue for 12 a win team.

And you really did not address my post, rather 1 statement out of 5 all of which I think have merit. But if you want to mock my naivety about believing my team's credibility, feel free. Meanwhile, I hear Minny fans defending Kahn and his decisions and vision left and right, with what seems like blind faith, but I don't consider that laughable, I consider that being a supporter of a team.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#12 » by Trader_Joe » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:48 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:The whole point of getting Love is to get a player that can stretch the floor, play the pick and pop game, and to get a player that can step in and contribute right away. Can any of
those descriptions be used to describe Derrick Favors?


Except if any of those wants/needs were true NJ wouldn't have been targeting Favors for the past month.

Krapinsky wrote:BTW defense, athleticism and toughness are all nouns.


Yeah, wrote it quickly.


You don't think it has more to do with Favors being the clear best available player at 3?

No.. the BPA @ #3 right now is Cousins. I have said this for some time. But fit wise Favors looks to be much better with Lopez, and I've all but conceded Favors is the pick. Though I will be happy with either one.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#13 » by AQuintus » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:57 pm

rpa wrote: Not only that but we also haven't heard much about the Nets trying to trade out of that 3rd spot (whereas we've heard a lot about other teams looking to move out of their position--like the Kings).


Well here you go:

RE: Nets, I talked to Avery yesterday. Sounds like he is high on Cousins but a) Thorn making the call and b) decent chance they trade pick

This is from Chris Mannix' twitter.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#14 » by Trader_Joe » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:01 pm

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rpa wrote: Not only that but we also haven't heard much about the Nets trying to trade out of that 3rd spot (whereas we've heard a lot about other teams looking to move out of their position--like the Kings).


Well here you go:

RE: Nets, I talked to Avery yesterday. Sounds like he is high on Cousins but a) Thorn making the call and b) decent chance they trade pick

This is from Chris Mannix' twitter.

That has been the one and only report, from SI's Mannix no less who also said NJ should trade their pick for Amare.
Thorn, Johnson, D.D'Alsendro, Kerber, Iannazonne and all the other regular NJ beat reporters have said their is a slim chance they trade the pick and have not speculated about that scenario at all. RPA was correct, since that report is not much.
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#15 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:45 pm

Chris Mannix is a tool shed...
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Re: Enough for MN to jump to #3? 

Post#16 » by yungal07 » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:53 pm

That's not going to get it done for the Nets. They'd need way more than Love to move down 13 spots in the draft.

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