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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#41 » by mnWI » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:57 am

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So Gutta wrote:Can someone give me an example of something positive that Kahn has done in his first year as GM?

As far as I can see, he passed on Curry and Jennings for Flynn and Rubio and then traded Lawson for a future pick. Added Sessions and Pavlovic, and seems like he wants to keep Milicic....

I'm scratching my head on those moves...

Miller/Foye for Rubio
Traded Lawson for a better pick.
Got rid of Songalias contract

Seriously?

I preferred Lawson to Flynn last year (well, pretty much since I saw them both play at the NHS), and I would say the 16th pick in the draft this year is nowhere near a lock to become as good as Lawson.
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#42 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:57 am

So Gutta wrote:Can someone give me an example of something positive that Kahn has done in his first year as GM?

As far as I can see, he passed on Curry and Jennings for Flynn and Rubio and then traded Lawson for a future pick. Added Sessions and Pavlovic, and seems like he wants to keep Milicic....

I'm scratching my head on those moves...


He traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for Ricky Rubio. Despite what the NY media says, Rubio has reiterated he plans to play here next year. Dumping Songalia to the Hornets was brilliant.

The book hasn't been written on Flynn. Not by a long shot. Rookie year is like Kindergarten. That fact that your the best at stacking blocks in kindergarten doesn't prove you're going to be a rocket scientist when you grow up.

We got Darko -- a potential starting center for a guy whose nickname is the janitor. Yet Kahn is an idiot and Walsh is a genius? Okay then...

We traded the #18 pick in last years draft (NOT LAWSON who Denver picked) for the #16 pick in a much deeper draft, that might net us a future stud like Paul George.
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#43 » by Esohny » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:58 am

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So Gutta wrote:Can someone give me an example of something positive that Kahn has done in his first year as GM?

As far as I can see, he passed on Curry and Jennings for Flynn and Rubio and then traded Lawson for a future pick. Added Sessions and Pavlovic, and seems like he wants to keep Milicic....

I'm scratching my head on those moves...


I'm scratching my head on this post....

Nice to see our mod make a smart-ass comment in response to a reasonable question.


Was it reasonable? He mentioned a couple positive moves in his question.
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#44 » by flexbuffchest » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:58 am

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So Gutta wrote:Can someone give me an example of something positive that Kahn has done in his first year as GM?

As far as I can see, he passed on Curry and Jennings for Flynn and Rubio and then traded Lawson for a future pick. Added Sessions and Pavlovic, and seems like he wants to keep Milicic....

I'm scratching my head on those moves...



Miller/Foye for Rubio - You mean the rights for Rubio, which has yet to materialize. If Rubio comes over and shines, Kahn should be given FULL credit.
Traded Lawson for a better pick. - Which has yet to yeild an NBA player. Again, if it DOES materialize, then Kahn should be given full credit.
Got rid of Songalias contract
- I guess that is a good move.

Im sorry but trading Mike Miller and Randy Foye for the type of prospect that Rubio is, is a slamdunk of a trade. Even if Rubio flops whenever you can trade 2 bad role players for that type of prospect is a great deal.
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#45 » by mnWI » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:08 am

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So Gutta wrote:Can someone give me an example of something positive that Kahn has done in his first year as GM?

As far as I can see, he passed on Curry and Jennings for Flynn and Rubio and then traded Lawson for a future pick. Added Sessions and Pavlovic, and seems like he wants to keep Milicic....

I'm scratching my head on those moves...


He traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for Ricky Rubio. Despite what the NY media says, Rubio has reiterated he plans to play here next year. Dumping Songalia to the Hornets was brilliant.

The book hasn't been written on Flynn. Not by a long shot. Rookie year is like Kindergarten. That fact that your the best at stacking blocks in kindergarten doesn't prove you're going to be a rocket scientist when you grow up.

We got Darko -- a potential starting center for a guy whose nickname is the janitor. Yet Kahn is an idiot and Walsh is a genius? Okay then...

We traded the #18 pick in last years draft (NOT LAWSON who Denver picked) for the #16 pick in a much deeper draft, that might net us a future stud like Paul George.

If the CBA negotiations carry into the summer next year and it looks like there might be a lockout, Rubio is expected to not opt out of his deal and spend another year in Europe.
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#46 » by IAWolf » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:08 am

So Gutta wrote:Can someone give me an example of something positive that Kahn has done in his first year as GM?

As far as I can see, he passed on Curry and Jennings for Flynn and Rubio and then traded Lawson for a future pick. Added Sessions and Pavlovic, and seems like he wants to keep Milicic....

I'm scratching my head on those moves...


As far as last years draft, obviously hindsight is 20/20. But a draft can't really be evaluated properly no sooner than 3 years after it's taken place. A lot of people were skeptical of how Curry's game would translate into the NBA going into the draft, but now it's easy to say he should have been the pick over Flynn (though you could argue that we still haven't seen how Curry produces on an ORGANIZED NBA team).

Rubio- obviously we'll have to wait and see.

I was under the impression we made the Lawson pick with the trade already agreed upon, so basically Denver made the Lawson pick, not Kahn.

I don't see what the problem with adding Sessions was. Pavlovic is........ another story.

Darko is really getting his first shot in the league in a situation where we can offer playing time where he can build confidence and maybe reach some of the potential he was once thought to have. Also the Wolves DESPERATELY need his defensive presence in the post.
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Post#47 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:11 am

mnWI wrote:If the CBA negotiations carry into the summer next year and it looks like there might be a lockout, Rubio is expected to not opt out of his deal and spend another year in Europe.


If theres a lockout, will it even matter then considering a full season likely wouldn't be played?
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#48 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:12 am

mnWI wrote:
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So Gutta wrote:Can someone give me an example of something positive that Kahn has done in his first year as GM?

As far as I can see, he passed on Curry and Jennings for Flynn and Rubio and then traded Lawson for a future pick. Added Sessions and Pavlovic, and seems like he wants to keep Milicic....

I'm scratching my head on those moves...


He traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for Ricky Rubio. Despite what the NY media says, Rubio has reiterated he plans to play here next year. Dumping Songalia to the Hornets was brilliant.

The book hasn't been written on Flynn. Not by a long shot. Rookie year is like Kindergarten. That fact that your the best at stacking blocks in kindergarten doesn't prove you're going to be a rocket scientist when you grow up.

We got Darko -- a potential starting center for a guy whose nickname is the janitor. Yet Kahn is an idiot and Walsh is a genius? Okay then...

We traded the #18 pick in last years draft (NOT LAWSON who Denver picked) for the #16 pick in a much deeper draft, that might net us a future stud like Paul George.

If the CBA negotiations carry into the summer next year and it looks like there might be a lockout, Rubio is expected to not opt out of his deal and spend another year in Europe.


So Kahn is to blame for that? If the Wolves aren't going to be playing anyway who cares where Rubio plays? Even then he won't be but 22 years old.
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#49 » by mnWI » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:15 am

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mnWI wrote:If the CBA negotiations carry into the summer next year and it looks like there might be a lockout, Rubio is expected to not opt out of his deal and spend another year in Europe.


If theres a lockout, will it even matter then considering a full season likely wouldn't be played?

I'd rather have a chance at winning in a partial 60 game season just as I would with an 82 game season. And it could be a full 82 game season. Rubio has a deadline to decide if he wants to opt out of his deal or not, so if a new CBA is not done by that deadline I don't see him opting out.
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#50 » by mnWI » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:16 am

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He traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for Ricky Rubio. Despite what the NY media says, Rubio has reiterated he plans to play here next year. Dumping Songalia to the Hornets was brilliant.

The book hasn't been written on Flynn. Not by a long shot. Rookie year is like Kindergarten. That fact that your the best at stacking blocks in kindergarten doesn't prove you're going to be a rocket scientist when you grow up.

We got Darko -- a potential starting center for a guy whose nickname is the janitor. Yet Kahn is an idiot and Walsh is a genius? Okay then...

We traded the #18 pick in last years draft (NOT LAWSON who Denver picked) for the #16 pick in a much deeper draft, that might net us a future stud like Paul George.

If the CBA negotiations carry into the summer next year and it looks like there might be a lockout, Rubio is expected to not opt out of his deal and spend another year in Europe.


So Kahn is to blame for that? If the Wolves aren't going to be playing anyway who cares where Rubio plays? Even then he won't be but 22 years old.


Yes, my whole point of this post was to imply that Kahn was to blame for that exact scenario :roll:
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Post#51 » by revprodeji » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:21 am

Deadline?
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Post#52 » by Busch Legion » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:38 am

Pretty sure Pavs was Rambis' idea... figured he'd be someone to space the floor and nail a 3 ball.... lol no. Just a chucker, who couldn't make a shot :/
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#53 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:41 am

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So Kahn is to blame for that? If the Wolves aren't going to be playing anyway who cares where Rubio plays? Even then he won't be but 22 years old.


Yes, my whole point of this post was to imply that Kahn was to blame for that exact scenario :roll:


Sorry, I thought I was responding to Casey there. Didn't realize it was you mn>WI.
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Post#54 » by mnWI » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:45 am

Not sure what the deadline is, but I would guess the end of June. I'll ask my Spanish friends at summer league though. Unless Genjuro sees the post, I'm sure he could answer it correctly.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if the rules for rookie scale salary are kept in place, Rubio wouldn't be bound to rookie scale if he stayed in Europe until the summer of 2012. Just something to keep in mind, though we won't know if we need to think about that or not until the next CBA is signed.
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Re: Adrian Wojnarowski rips Kahn a new one... 

Post#55 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:48 am

mnWI wrote:Not sure what the deadline is, but I would guess the end of June. I'll ask my Spanish friends at summer league though. Unless Genjuro sees the post, I'm sure he could answer it correctly.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if the rules for rookie scale salary are kept in place, Rubio wouldn't be bound to rookie scale if he stayed in Europe until the summer of 2012. Just something to keep in mind, though we won't know if we need to think about that or not until the next CBA is signed.


Yep, Chris Sheridan was all over this scenario back when Rubio originally signed with Barcelona. I think we all just chose to ignore it because it hurts to much to think about it.
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Post#56 » by MattyP » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:33 am

From a poster at Rubechat:

http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=102710#p2043767

johnj2er wrote:Woj and Kahn have an on-going feud since like December. Woj tried to break a rumor, I believe the Granger/Jefferson bit, and Kahn felt betrayed by Woj. Since then the Wolves have pretty much refused to even talk to Woj. It's quite obvious since then that Woj takes nothing but shots at the Wolves, especially Kahn.


Seems obvious that there is some personal vendetta here. As there is with Bill Simmons. Both seem to go out of their way to rip the wolves.

I mean, the video was 4 minutes, and 2 of those 4 were spent discussing how horrible Kahn is. Great draft primer, guys.
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Post#57 » by younggunsmn » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:38 am

Also could be some bad blood going back to Kahn's days as a beat writer, probably a lot of jealousy too.
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Post#58 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:13 am

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Post#59 » by revprodeji » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:14 am

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Post#60 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:18 am

I heard that guy is just a rube bit
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