Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat)

[woosah]

^^^i was thinking the last 3 years, but ok. I don't need to be sold on Deng's defense for sure. He's a good player, but I am not liking the pricetag on the deal.

[J-Ville Smoke]

His midrange game is phenomenal and he could easily repeat what Barnes did from three this past season.

It seems he is twice as good as Barnes I will take him at twice Barnes salary $3mil.

Yeah, that makes sense...

He's 7-10x better than Barnes anyway.

[eyriq]

I'd do it. He would be a good fit in Orlando. We wouldn't rely on his offense (he'd be the 4th or 5th option and would thrive in that role) and he can defend and rebound better than most at that position.

Also, KrazysixersD, please stop trolling on this board/in this thread. Thanks.

[KrazySixersD]

i am not trolling... unbelievable.. i cant comment and give my opinion on trades?

[FFBlitzace]

Not if you're going to be a troll while doing it, no.

[KrazySixersD]

so in otherwords, i should agree with and be ok with ridiculous trade proposals? disagreeing with ridiculous stuff = trolling? ooo ok

[slamjunkie]

as good a trade as this may be, it is too lopsided for the bulls in my taste. some of the more glaring facts - this move allows them to slide noah to the 4, forming a very formidable frontcourt with gortat, this effectively solves the salary cap problem that they caused in the first place.

for the magic, this trade can only be listed as a lateral move. it doesn't significantly upgrade our sf position since we have 3 players from last year's squad that can arguably fill in that position come game time.

also, the magic stand to lose too much for this deal. not to bash deng, i really think he's a fantastic player to have, but i wouldn't trade gortat alone to get him - much less add pietrus in the mix. we have a more pressing need for a big body to back up dwight. its hard to come by quality bigs in today's league. just looking at the draft, you can see the surplus of wing players as opposed to big men. much easier to find a diamond in the rough than to get a player that we would really need.

like most have said already, we can find a better trade for gortat. his contract is just right for a team looking for a starting center. if i was otis, i wouldn't jump the gun on trading marcin...

[eyriq]

so in otherwords, i should agree with and be ok with ridiculous trade proposals? disagreeing with ridiculous stuff = trolling? ooo ok

You think we all agree mindlessly? No, we don't. Your dissension is welcome. Make your posts about content not posters or message board communities and you are good.

[slamjunkie]

so in otherwords, i should agree with and be ok with ridiculous trade proposals? disagreeing with ridiculous stuff = trolling? ooo ok

its the offseason, let people come up with pipedreams all they want - it doesn't hurt the stock of the team to do so. its how people manage to keep themselves sane in an otherwise lazy and slow offseason. its the internet and its called freedom of speech. its the orlando magic board anyway - if you saw the posters on this board going to yours and insulting the posters there, then you have a legit beef - otherwise, pipedown man...

seems to me the only reason why you get so worked up over it is coz you can't stand the fact that other teams are doing due diligence in making their teams better. not trying to rebuild and finally get on a winning run...

[sportsrock37]

so in otherwords, i should agree with and be ok with ridiculous trade proposals? disagreeing with ridiculous stuff = trolling? ooo ok

The whole "ignorant Magic fans" and I'm pretty sure you called our fanbase (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and other stuff like that is trolling and completely unnecessary to your point. If you just disagree and say that the other team won't ever do it and the idea is dumb would be ok. The whole attacking our fanbase because a couple of members won't do it and overrate our players is trolling and what is getting you in trouble. You can easily disagree somewhat respectfully without trolling.

[KrazySixersD]

so in otherwords, i should agree with and be ok with ridiculous trade proposals? disagreeing with ridiculous stuff = trolling? ooo ok

its the offseason, let people come up with pipedreams all they want - it doesn't hurt the stock of the team to do so. its how people manage to keep themselves sane in an otherwise lazy and slow offseason. its the internet and its called freedom of speech. its the orlando magic board anyway - if you saw the posters on this board going to yours and insulting the posters there, then you have a legit beef - otherwise, pipedown man...

seems to me the only reason why you get so worked up over it is coz you can't stand the fact that other teams are doing due diligence in making their teams better. not trying to rebuild and finally get on a winning run...

ur insinuating my team isnt trying to get better? arent we the first and only team to make a trade so far this offseason? o ok

[KrazySixersD]

so in otherwords, i should agree with and be ok with ridiculous trade proposals? disagreeing with ridiculous stuff = trolling? ooo ok

You think we all agree mindlessly? No, we don't. Your dissension is welcome. Make your posts about content not posters or message board communities and you are good.

ok, got ya

[Bensational]

so in otherwords, i should agree with and be ok with ridiculous trade proposals? disagreeing with ridiculous stuff = trolling? ooo ok

would you call the Gasol for Kwame trade ridiculous? i would. did it happen?

the point is, sometimes trades happen for reasons that your team's management decide are more important than basketball or financial reasons that fans might consider.

besides, value is all in the eye of the beholder. Gortat may not seem valuable to you, but an athletic, 25 year old C who plays great D, grabs a crazy amount of rebounds and has trained against the league's best C for the past 4 years has value in my eyes - and probably Detroit's, Toronto's, Dallas', Houston's, Chicago's, Utah's, Sacramento's and [insert any team name that needs a good C]. VC's expiring contract has value in my eyes. if i were a team i'd rather pay VC for a year, and sell some jerseys with his name on it, rather than pay a guy like Brand or Butler who really won't be doing all that much to put my team over the edge. Jameer, an all star PG who just lead his team to the ECFs and averaged near 20ppg and 7apg in the post season and is only on a meager 6mil per season. that's great value for a starting PG. Bass is a 24 year old bruiser PF. Anderson is a 21 year old PF who can knock down the 3 and crash the boards. etc etc. there's value there, it all depends on how bad a team needs it.

you hold your guys with esteem when they're nothing but an underperforming team. value comes from a displayed ability to perform and win, not just put up inflated numbers on a losing team. don't get me wrong, i actually think the 6ers have a buttload of talent - but it's not winning them games. and maybe, just maybe, it's not winning them games because they're not quite as talented as you'd like to believe they are? why pay a lot of money for a losing team? particularly when you're shaping up to be building around a second year PG and a rookie?

[KrazySixersD]

first off... the gasol trade has scam written all over it... west was their GM at the time.. and yes i think the nba has rigged elements to it...

2nd.. gortat has been a career backup.. anyone trading for him is doing so off of upside and hope, not actual performance.

3rd.. i have NEVER talked up my sixers.. not once... but i have said you are not getting a really good iguodala for gortat and pietrus.. because it wont happen, our board has insiders so i have a good idea of what are team is looking for and values rite now

[KrazySixersD]

also, carter is a cancer to teams.. hes a black hole on offense, is a chucker.. and is not a true expiring... a team would still have to pay 4 mill of his salary after this year... that isnt peanuts

[ChocThunder25]

I like Luol Do all Deng in his brief Duke caree, i've watched him play in the league, and I like his skillset. With that said, I'm not sure how happy I am with the trade. I do think his game is a change of pace for a very redundant squad. Not explosive speed but a long first step, long arms, good defender, midrange game. He would instantly be our 2nd best rebounder on the team, at least number wise, barring an unforseen Bass explosion. I think Deng would thrive in a role as a 3rd scorer which is what he would be, and would be one of our few guys that can get points without plays being run for him.

Of scourse I am a lil worried about his health, he seems to pick up nagging injuries that he doesn't play thru very well. And more importantly, his insertion almost assures Shard as or power forward, I'm very against that. If the move happened I wouldn't be mad, especially as the players most covet(Bosh, Booze, Gay, Amare) aren't players I think we have a shot at.

[magicman123]

for the magic, this trade can only be listed as a lateral move. it doesn't significantly upgrade our sf position since we have 3 players from last year's squad that can arguably fill in that position come game time.
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how would deng not be a significant upgrade at sf?

people are overrating gortat, i understand the importance of him but no way we can do better then just gortat for deng..deng is a much better player (ok maybe a team tanking)

[Hotshot Hower]

I was over there on the Bulls forum and this deal seems like a reality as each and every hour passes..

Thing is, I see us swapping 1st's (CHI's #17 for ORL's #29) if it's flat out Gortat and Pietrus for Deng if the deal is made.

There has to be a lateral move in the making for a BIG of some sort via TPE, future 1st, or VC imo if there is any "leg's" to this rumor.

[Hotshot Hower]

for the magic, this trade can only be listed as a lateral move. it doesn't significantly upgrade our sf position since we have 3 players from last year's squad that can arguably fill in that position come game time.
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how would deng not be a significant upgrade at sf?

people are overrating gortat, i understand the importance of him but no way we can do better then just gortat for deng..deng is a much better player (ok maybe a team tanking)

Deng would be a HUGE upgrade at either SG/SF and is still pretty young and has a niiiice mid range game and can finish. Can defend the premier perimeter guards, opens more time for JJ. Injuries, I know but "take the chance while you still have the choice" quote comes in. A Gortat deal has been inevitable since we signed him. If the Bulls were to bite (kinda thought Gortat's value may have not been that high, but take what you can get) if we're the team who "proposed the deal".

[magicman123]

overall i dont see this happening, to many other things need to be done