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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#121 » by WillyJakkz » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:37 am

eyriq wrote:I'd do it. He would be a good fit in Orlando. We wouldn't rely on his offense (he'd be the 4th or 5th option and would thrive in that role) and he can defend and rebound better than most at that position.


Unreal.

You should lose all MOD privileges for even posting that crap.

Like Luol Deng is gonna accept being the 4th or 5th option on offense AND would thrive in that role. :roll:

That motha'ukka was the 4th option on Chicago but played like he was the 1st option.

14.5 FGA's ain't gonna work here. 76.4 FT% ain't gonna get it done either.

Furthest thing from a big game player and I'll straight be pissed if they trade Peaches/ Gortat for Deng.
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#122 » by Hangtime84 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:42 am

WillyJakk7 wrote:
eyriq wrote:I'd do it. He would be a good fit in Orlando. We wouldn't rely on his offense (he'd be the 4th or 5th option and would thrive in that role) and he can defend and rebound better than most at that position.


Unreal.

You should lose all MOD privileges for even posting that crap.

Like Luol Deng is gonna accept being the 4th or 5th option on offense AND would thrive in that role. :roll:

That motha'ukka was the 4th option on Chicago but played like he was the 1st option.

14.5 FGA's ain't gonna work here. 76.4 FT% ain't gonna get it done either.

Furthest thing from a big game player and I'll straight be pissed if they trade Peaches/ Gortat for Deng.


You should lose your posting privileges :). Loul Deng is a type of player that would thrive in a system where he could be 3rd or 4th option he doesn't need the ball in hands to score he is constantly moving and cutting for wide layups and can finish. He is a good fit for the Magic.
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aguifs wrote:Do we have a friggin plan?


If the Bulls do, you would be complaining to much to ever hear it.


NBA fan logic we need to trade one of two best players because (Player X) one needs to shine more.
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#123 » by WillyJakkz » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:51 am

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WillyJakk7 wrote:
eyriq wrote:I'd do it. He would be a good fit in Orlando. We wouldn't rely on his offense (he'd be the 4th or 5th option and would thrive in that role) and he can defend and rebound better than most at that position.


Unreal.

You should lose all MOD privileges for even posting that crap.

Like Luol Deng is gonna accept being the 4th or 5th option on offense AND would thrive in that role. :roll:

That motha'ukka was the 4th option on Chicago but played like he was the 1st option.

14.5 FGA's ain't gonna work here. 76.4 FT% ain't gonna get it done either.

Furthest thing from a big game player and I'll straight be pissed if they trade Peaches/ Gortat for Deng.


You should lose your posting privileges :). Loul Deng is a type of player that would thrive in a system where he could be 3rd or 4th option he doesn't need the ball in hands to score he is constantly moving and cutting for wide layups and can finish. He is a good fit for the Magic.


You should lose your thinking privileges on the strength of this statement alone :).

Who the uck gonna pass him the ball?

Isn't that one of the weaknesses which I see peeps say when they describe our PG Jameer Nelson, his passing ability or willingness to pass?

C'mon man.
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#124 » by WillyJakkz » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:54 am

Btw, Luol Deng is THE definition of black hole.

Watch any old/ recent Bulls game (when he was actually healthy and played) and once ya boy gets the ball, he's looking to score and that's it, like Ben Roethlisberger in a girl's bathroom.
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#125 » by tiderulz » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:58 am

slamjunkie wrote:as good a trade as this may be, it is too lopsided for the bulls in my taste. some of the more glaring facts - this move allows them to slide noah to the 4, forming a very formidable frontcourt with gortat, this effectively solves the salary cap problem that they caused in the first place.

for the magic, this trade can only be listed as a lateral move. it doesn't significantly upgrade our sf position since we have 3 players from last year's squad that can arguably fill in that position come game time.

also, the magic stand to lose too much for this deal. not to bash deng, i really think he's a fantastic player to have, but i wouldn't trade gortat alone to get him - much less add pietrus in the mix. we have a more pressing need for a big body to back up dwight. its hard to come by quality bigs in today's league. just looking at the draft, you can see the surplus of wing players as opposed to big men. much easier to find a diamond in the rough than to get a player that we would really need.

like most have said already, we can find a better trade for gortat. his contract is just right for a team looking for a starting center. if i was otis, i wouldn't jump the gun on trading marcin...


are you serious? The pressing need is a backup? I was all for getting a PF like Bosh or Boozer, but if that doesnt happen, the next thing needed is a wing player that is very good. Deng is very good. He can be a 20/10 player in this system. He can play pick and roll with Nelson, is active, good on fast breaks, has a great mid range game that the team lacks right now. It is either Dwight or bombs away from 3 pt land. And Gortat was a development player. At #29, we could draft another big guy, and pick up someone like Battie to help fill in the minutes.

People may not like Dengs contract, but it isnt as bad as Lewis, and he can be more productive and he is only 25. The contract only goes for about 4 more years, he would be 29, still a great age for a SF.

As for a formidable front court, it has yet to be seen if Noah can play for long periods of time at PF and we also dont know how Gortat would last playing every night with full time minutes. Dont forget, Gortat is not exactly an offensive juggernaut either.. Cmon people, dont overrate our players. Pitrus came to us as a defensive specialist and has turned into Bombs Away France. Name someone he has defended lately and done a good job on? Gortat was a project that couldnt even make the 15 man roster 3 years ago.
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#126 » by tiderulz » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:05 am

WillyJakk7 wrote:


That motha'ukka was the 4th option on Chicago but played like he was the 1st option.

14.5 FGA's ain't gonna work here. 76.4 FT% ain't gonna get it done either.

Furthest thing from a big game player and I'll straight be pissed if they trade Peaches/ Gortat for Deng.


first of all, Deng was the second option there behind Rose.

Second, his FT% puts him better than Barnes, Peaches(our SF's this past year) Williams, Gortat, Dwight so dont act like we dont have worse FT shooters.
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#127 » by KrazySixersD » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:31 am

ya a little confused how 76.4 ft% is looked as a negative in any way....
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#128 » by Bensational » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:42 am

KrazySixersD wrote:gortat has been a career backup.. anyone trading for him is doing so off of upside and hope, not actual performance.


upside based off of performance. off the bench he's been a machine on the boards and defense - and he's still young. the guy plays like he's a 30 year old vet, but he's still ridiculously young. i liken his situation to Jermaine Oneil in his last season with the Blazers. a talented young backup stuck behind a great player. (note, i don't liken his talent, but his situation)


KrazySixersD wrote:3rd.. i have NEVER talked up my sixers.. not once... but i have said you are not getting a really good iguodala for gortat and pietrus.. because it wont happen, our board has insiders so i have a good idea of what are team is looking for and values rite now


don't worry, i agree with you that Gortat + MP won't get it done. i never thought it would. but i definitely think the pieces are there that could arrange a deal - if Phili is looking to deal. at this point it's all speculation from anyone's perspective, unless you are the actual insider.

also, just wondering, how much heads up did your insider give you on the Dalembert deal?
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#129 » by MoGrAdY » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:44 am

WillyJakk of all ppl talking about bad trades and fits, but we sure do need to trade 3 key players for KG huh? LOL!!
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#130 » by magicman123 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:02 am

MoGrAdY wrote:WillyJakk of all ppl talking about bad trades and fits, but we sure do need to trade 3 key players for KG huh? LOL!!


:lol: :P but deng would be a good 9th option on this team though :roll:
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#131 » by KrazySixersD » Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:07 am

Bensational wrote:
KrazySixersD wrote:gortat has been a career backup.. anyone trading for him is doing so off of upside and hope, not actual performance.


upside based off of performance. off the bench he's been a machine on the boards and defense - and he's still young. the guy plays like he's a 30 year old vet, but he's still ridiculously young. i liken his situation to Jermaine Oneil in his last season with the Blazers. a talented young backup stuck behind a great player. (note, i don't liken his talent, but his situation)


KrazySixersD wrote:3rd.. i have NEVER talked up my sixers.. not once... but i have said you are not getting a really good iguodala for gortat and pietrus.. because it wont happen, our board has insiders so i have a good idea of what are team is looking for and values rite now


don't worry, i agree with you that Gortat + MP won't get it done. i never thought it would. but i definitely think the pieces are there that could arrange a deal - if Phili is looking to deal. at this point it's all speculation from anyone's perspective, unless you are the actual insider.

also, just wondering, how much heads up did your insider give you on the Dalembert deal?


well i still think magic fans value gortat a bit higher than he should be but thats me... and our insider actually didnt hear of the dalambert trade... but hes legit, as he has called many trades in the past.. he has a source that sits in the draft room with the sixers... so his source is pretty high up
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#132 » by Chris1455 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:36 am

^^^^^^ Tell me how Gortat did in the closeout game against the sixers in Phili two years ago. That is what teams see. Given starter minutes the guy is better than a lot of starting centers in this league. We do not over value him. Young true centers are really tough to come by. He has value.
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Post#133 » by silent4418 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:19 am

I am just not a Deng fan. He strikes me as a run of the mill guy who gets a bunch of minutes and puts up some numbers accordingly. I have never seen anything special out of him.
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Re: Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat) 

Post#134 » by Skin » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:49 am

I like Deng, but he gets paid too much for me to want. He puts up nice scoring numbers, but he really does take a lot of shot attempts. Calling him a black hole isn't that far fetched. If Jameer is our PG, there won't be enough balls to go around to make everyone happy. We need a passing wing player, like a Joe Johnson... but he's too expensive. Iggy would make me thrilled, but I'm dreaming there. If we can't get a passing wing, then getting someone who doesn't need to take a lot of shots to be effective would be good... Ronnie Brewer.
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Post#135 » by slamjunkie » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:59 am

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slamjunkie wrote:as good a trade as this may be, it is too lopsided for the bulls in my taste. some of the more glaring facts - this move allows them to slide noah to the 4, forming a very formidable frontcourt with gortat, this effectively solves the salary cap problem that they caused in the first place.

for the magic, this trade can only be listed as a lateral move. it doesn't significantly upgrade our sf position since we have 3 players from last year's squad that can arguably fill in that position come game time.

also, the magic stand to lose too much for this deal. not to bash deng, i really think he's a fantastic player to have, but i wouldn't trade gortat alone to get him - much less add pietrus in the mix. we have a more pressing need for a big body to back up dwight. its hard to come by quality bigs in today's league. just looking at the draft, you can see the surplus of wing players as opposed to big men. much easier to find a diamond in the rough than to get a player that we would really need.

like most have said already, we can find a better trade for gortat. his contract is just right for a team looking for a starting center. if i was otis, i wouldn't jump the gun on trading marcin...


are you serious? The pressing need is a backup? I was all for getting a PF like Bosh or Boozer, but if that doesnt happen, the next thing needed is a wing player that is very good. Deng is very good. He can be a 20/10 player in this system. He can play pick and roll with Nelson, is active, good on fast breaks, has a great mid range game that the team lacks right now. It is either Dwight or bombs away from 3 pt land. And Gortat was a development player. At #29, we could draft another big guy, and pick up someone like Battie to help fill in the minutes.

People may not like Dengs contract, but it isnt as bad as Lewis, and he can be more productive and he is only 25. The contract only goes for about 4 more years, he would be 29, still a great age for a SF.

As for a formidable front court, it has yet to be seen if Noah can play for long periods of time at PF and we also dont know how Gortat would last playing every night with full time minutes. Dont forget, Gortat is not exactly an offensive juggernaut either.. Cmon people, dont overrate our players. Pitrus came to us as a defensive specialist and has turned into Bombs Away France. Name someone he has defended lately and done a good job on? Gortat was a project that couldnt even make the 15 man roster 3 years ago.


dwight won't be able to play for extended periods of time. you may want to take into consideration the fact that he is aging as well and may not be able to average 35 to 40 mins a night. also put into account the charlotte series wherein he was frustrated to no end by the defense put up against him by the 'cats. just who are we supposed to play if ever the league has to slap him with suspensions given his penchant for picking up technicals? i've always believed that a smart gm should ensure a 2 to 3 deep rotation for every position - who are we supposed to play if we trade gortat?
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Post#136 » by magic_turk » Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:34 am

Just saw his contract. Ouch. Don't think it's gonna happen, it's WAY to dear for the Magic to afford.
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Post#137 » by Bensational » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:28 am

i'm still torn on the idea. i'm neither for nor against at this point. i can see the advantages of Deng, but his health concerns scare me, particularly with him on the contract he's on. that, and, as happy as i am to use Gortat as trade bait, part of me is going to be sad to see him go no matter what the outcome.

also, this move would just reinforce the stretch 4 lineup, and i'm not convinced the team wants to go in that direction.
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Post#138 » by eyriq » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:46 am

The reason Deng would thrive with less usage is first of all simple sound logic based on the correlation between usage and efficiency. Then you look at his performance as the Bulls 2nd option and you are underwhelmed by his 21.9% usage, sub .500 eFG%, and 106 ORtg, making me think that as a 1st or 2nd option he is only average. We have plenty of guys that can do better in that role, i.e. Nelson, Howard, Carter, and Lewis. So really on our team he would be getting paid to primarily defend and rebound, while using his substantial offensive skill set in only the best situations. He may have been a "black hole" on the Bulls but they've never had really good offensive players around him, here things would be different and I could see Deng fitting in just fine.
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Post#139 » by Magicfan94 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:21 pm

No. He wouldn't be a good fit at SF for this team.
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Post#140 » by tiderulz » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:43 pm

slamjunkie wrote:dwight won't be able to play for extended periods of time. you may want to take into consideration the fact that he is aging as well and may not be able to average 35 to 40 mins a night. also put into account the charlotte series wherein he was frustrated to no end by the defense put up against him by the 'cats. just who are we supposed to play if ever the league has to slap him with suspensions given his penchant for picking up technicals? i've always believed that a smart gm should ensure a 2 to 3 deep rotation for every position - who are we supposed to play if we trade gortat?


1-Dwight is aging? He is 24. He has averaged 34 minutes a night for his career. I wouldnt look for that to change until he is in his early 30's.

2- yes, he does get in foul trouble sometimes. But you cant keep spending large money for a backup on the chance that your star player gets in foul trouble. It isnt smart spending.

3-a smart GM does have a bench, but you also need a very good starting 5. Boston didnt have much of a bench when they won 2 years ago. LA basically had Odom this past year, and even he didnt do very well in the Boston series. Name 1 player that played off the bench during the Michael Jordan years in Chicago. Name one really good bench player in SA besides Ginobli. Orlando doesnt need to have a big bench, just 1 or 2 decent players and other role players that can just hold their own for a few minutes.

As for who you play if you trade Gortat, remember that Gortat was a developed player. He didnt even make the 15 man squad 3 years ago, barely made it 2 years ago. We could draft a player or trust Otis to find another project big to work on.

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