2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[AQuintus]

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This is my exact thinking. I personally think it's been Favors all along with the Nets at #3. Thorn has something up his sleeve in my opinion. He's gonna make the Wolves think he's taking Johnson. That would kill the Wolves since the 2 BPA at #4 would be big men.

It really wouldn't at all. One of Love or Jefferson is almost certainly on their way out anyways, so getting Favors would be awesome for Minnesota and has likely been Minnesota's target all along.

[mikhailjordan]

What's bothering me is that Wes Johnson is such a Thorn pick... Thorn tends to like players who have multiple years of college experience...

I guess the only positive thing I can say about Wes though is that he's a workhorse... When he began his college career he wasn't that good but faced with adversity he transformed his game and really took it to the next level.

If that can carry over to the NBA level I can understand Johnson being in discussion for the third pick in the draft but regardless... I want Favors.

[Preludepunk27]

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This is my exact thinking. I personally think it's been Favors all along with the Nets at #3. Thorn has something up his sleeve in my opinion. He's gonna make the Wolves think he's taking Johnson. That would kill the Wolves since the 2 BPA at #4 would be big men.

It really wouldn't at all. One of Love or Jefferson is almost certainly on their way out anyways, so getting Favors would be awesome for Minnesota and has likely been Minnesota's target all along.

Thank you for ignoring the rest of my post where I mentioned we could steal something from you guys. That didn't just mean a pick or Rubio. Kevin Love's name has been thrown around our boards for 2 months now too. Next time I'll spell out exactly what I mean by "something.". My bad.

But to be back on topic, as far as right now, Johnson was your guy. If Minny truly believes he's our guy, that may force their hand a little to try and work out a deal with us. Yes, the could take favors, but don't expect to get dollar for dollar in trading Love or Al Jeff after draft night since teams will know you need to get rid of one.

[mikhailjordan]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... _to_slide/

I feel better that what I initially thought may still be true...

[AQuintus]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67356/20100622/nets_may_want_picks_from_wolves_to_allow_johnson_to_slide/

I feel better that what I initially thought may still be true...

DraftExpress
Minnesota sounds ecstatic to be in the position they're in. "We're in great shape." They won't try to move up to 3 to get Johnson from NJ.

[JKiddy]

Nets trade the #3 and #27 for the #4 and #16?

[mikhailjordan]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67356/20100622/nets_may_want_picks_from_wolves_to_allow_johnson_to_slide/

I feel better that what I initially thought may still be true...

DraftExpress
Minnesota sounds ecstatic to be in the position they're in. "We're in great shape." They won't try to move up to 3 to get Johnson from NJ.

I don't believe it for a second we're talking about a franchise that wasted a draft pick on Jonny Flynn when Curry and Jennings were clearly the better prospects.

Now to be fair, I wouldn't expect them to say anything else.

Everything is all smoke and mirrors right now...

[AQuintus]

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Thank you for ignoring the rest of my post where I mentioned we could steal something from you guys. That didn't just mean a pick or Rubio. Kevin Love's name has been thrown around our boards for 2 months now too. Next time I'll spell out exactly what I mean by "something.". My bad.

Historically moving up from 4 to 3 involves something like a late 1st round pick. There's absolutely no way you'd get Love, Rubio, or anything else especially valuable.

But to be back on topic, as far as right now, Johnson was your guy.

Wes Johnson has never been "our guy." Everything officially coming from the Wolves' FO says that they haven't made up their minds at all. In fact, Assistant Gm Tony Ronzone said a few days ago that anyone saying that Minnesota locked in on anyone is just media talk.

Despite that, based on insider reports, there's strong reason to believe that Minny likes Favors more than Johnson.

Edit:

I don't believe it for a second we're talking about a franchise that wasted a draft pick on Jonny Flynn when Curry and Jennings were clearly the better prospects.

Yep, Jennings was so much better as a prospect that he fell past 5 more teams after Minnesota didn't draft him.

As far as Curry is concerned, it's been one year. Paul looked like he was waaaay ahead of Deron Williams after their rookie years, but now there is reason to believe that Deron is the better player.

Edit 2:

Wallace Prather: "Writer was trying to make something out of nothing. Spoke to David Kahn about it, he was extremely positive about Derrick"
2010-06-22 15:05:01

Both Minnesota and Favors' camp say that that the article mentioning David Kahn questioning Favors' conditioning was "completely overblown."
2010-06-22 15:04:02

Derrick Favors' agent says he has no problem with Minnesota: "We won't be unhappy at all. Derrick is prepared to play for whoever takes him"
2010-06-22 15:02:01

[demens]

But to be back on topic, as far as right now, Johnson was your guy. If Minny truly believes he's our guy, that may force their hand a little to try and work out a deal with us. Yes, the could take favors, but don't expect to get dollar for dollar in trading Love or Al Jeff after draft night since teams will know you need to get rid of one.

This is where you're not listening to what the Twolves fans are telling you here. If they truly believe Nets are taking Wes they will be sending us thank you cards not 1st round picks.

[Basileus777]

I don't believe for one second that Thorn is trying to get Minnesota to trade. He's always been transparent about who we want in the draft, and I've always believed that the Wolves preferred Favors anyway.

Thorn hasn't been able to draft well without Kiki for years.

[SpeedyG]

I'm higher than most people on Wes Johnson, but don't you think for a second about doing this Thorn. This better be a smokescreen.

Ugh my nightmare is starting to become a reality:

- lose out on Wall/Turner
- not wait on Phil
- pass on two stud big men
- draft a #2 swingman
- overpay on free-agency

[hoopsmaster546]

I truly believe the Nets should pick Cousins. After the workout on Monday, from what I've read, Cousins out powered Favors, and has a better outside shot. Polinsky said he was comfortable from "20 feet out", whereas Favors was comfortable from "15-16 feet," but still is "a work in progress." I know Favors is more athletically gifted, but Cousins is better offensively at this point. I also feel that Cousins will bring more toughness to the team, and fit into Avery's defense game plan every night. Cousins is a gamble, given his attitude problems, but I really think the Nets should take the risk.

[jzmagik]

Thorn knows what he's doing, I trust him to make the right decision. I read some articles that say Minnesota is highly leaning towards Wesley Johnson. If we could land Favors and get something out of Minnesota by trading down 1 spot, I say go for it.

[demens]

Thorn knows what he's doing, I trust him to make the right decision. I read some articles that say Minnesota is highly leaning towards Wesley Johnson. If we could land Favors and get something out of Minnesota by trading down 1 spot, I say go for it.

And i've heard plenty of people saying that those article mean nothing. What makes you think Thorn has any idea Thorn knows what he is doing. A month ago we were talking about Phil Jackson and Coach K.

[jzmagik]

Thorn knows what he's doing, I trust him to make the right decision. I read some articles that say Minnesota is highly leaning towards Wesley Johnson. If we could land Favors and get something out of Minnesota by trading down 1 spot, I say go for it.

And i've heard plenty of people saying that those article mean nothing. What makes you think Thorn has any idea Thorn knows what he is doing. A month ago we were talking about Phil Jackson and Coach K.

I never heard anything about Phil Jackson and Coach K being coaching candidates, and frankly I'd laugh at the idea that either of them would want to coach in NJ. Cmon now.. Whether those articles are true or not, that's up for debate but theres been plenty of evidence to suggest that its possible the Wolves are locked in on Wesley.

Given Thorn's track record, I'll trust in him to make the right decision. I feel confident that at the very least, we will get Derrick Favors out of this.

[enetric]

But to be back on topic, as far as right now, Johnson was your guy. If Minny truly believes he's our guy, that may force their hand a little to try and work out a deal with us. Yes, the could take favors, but don't expect to get dollar for dollar in trading Love or Al Jeff after draft night since teams will know you need to get rid of one.

This is where you're not listening to what the Twolves fans are telling you here. If they truly believe Nets are taking Wes they will be sending us thank you cards not 1st round picks.

Yes, Wolves fans will be sending thank you cards after the picks are read...however that doesnt mean they wont be forced to write hate mail 30 minutes later should Stern come to the podium with "we have a trade to announce".

Just because fans want it one way doesnt mean it will go down that way. Sometimes they are right...sometimes they are wrong.

[enetric]

I don't believe for one second that Thorn is trying to get Minnesota to trade. He's always been transparent about who we want in the draft, and I've always believed that the Wolves preferred Favors anyway.

Thorn hasn't been able to draft well without Kiki for years.

We have done fine in the draft per where we were drafting. Overall...Nets have done a great job drafting in the Thorn era...and we broke this down a few weeks ago. You cant really ask for someone head for not finding the lucky easter egg or needle in the haystack in the late teens and low 20's. Sound picks were made for sound reasons. He hasnt done anything in any season that were bizarre or out of whack with the majority of opinions out there. Hard to fault a guy for landing a MArcus Williams a projected lottery pick at 23...a pick after Rondo and say he sucked...like that is on THORN. Or, for being one of MANY teams to let Granger slide to concerns about his knee when 4 prospects drop to you and one fits the bill of exactly what you were looking for.

Really unfair to do the look back when you factor in the reasons. Easier to look at teams who passed on Jenning for other PG's as an example.

[enetric]

I'm higher than most people on Wes Johnson, but don't you think for a second about doing this Thorn. This better be a smokescreen.

Ugh my nightmare is starting to become a reality:

- lose out on Wall/Turner
- not wait on Phil
- pass on two stud big men
- draft a #2 swingman
- overpay on free-agency

I am with your outline on the perfect team nightmare. I like Wes Johnson...but I just dont buy it. Even the free agency argument makes no sense. Because we might sign an elite big man? We have Brook...and beyond him very thin among bigs. We have Devin, Lee and Twil and we are going after Lebron. Now...if you told me there was a wing player who had a great shot...I might buy into it. That we are looking for a guy who can spread the D. OK. But that isnt Wesley. I am not convicned he will be better in the NBA than Twill if given minutes and opportunity.

Ao add it all together...if we get two top free agent...Lebron and big...what would you rather have? Another SF who isnt a shooter mixed in with the supporting cast? Or another big to go with the all star caliber big, and Brook? Big are harder to get. Bigs have more trade value later if you opt to go that way.

And in reverse...say we land no one and end up having to slowp build the next few years in the draft. Would you rather have a true big? Or would you rather have yet another wing player who needs to work on his shot with the guys we already have?

Look, I read and listen to everything from Favors and Cousins workout. They clearly liked both guys and felt both will have good careers. At this point, I think it makes sense to see...can you use the draft to help your team in other ways? Can you get your guy at a lower pick...pay him less, get an extra asset...or create more cap room?

I dont see Minny giving us Love just to swap picks. But what if you gave them Humphries and the #27 with it? Cdr? OR, shouldnt you really test the Rubio thing? See if as I said a week ago...it just might be time for them to accept he doesnt want to come play for them? As much as I respect them for saying too damn bad...it could get to be a game of chicken they decide not worth playing. If you can get Devin Harris and the #3 for the 4 and Rubio...is it really that awful?

I am hopeful that when this is all done, that if we draft Wes at 3...we arent keeping Wes. That he is headed elsewhere as part of the ong term big picture. Othwerwise is just doenst make sense to me.

I like all the chatter. I like that they are looking at things from every end. That's good. And I do happen to think there is incentive for Minny to deal with us even if their fans are sure THEY want Favors or Cousins over Wes. If there is a set target you want, and you can get him...yuou have to consider is it worth spending to get your man. Nets are in the same both with Philly. I am sure they asked...what does it take to get to #2.

[enetric]

I truly believe the Nets should pick Cousins. After the workout on Monday, from what I've read, Cousins out powered Favors, and has a better outside shot. Polinsky said he was comfortable from "20 feet out", whereas Favors was comfortable from "15-16 feet," but still is "a work in progress." I know Favors is more athletically gifted, but Cousins is better offensively at this point. I also feel that Cousins will bring more toughness to the team, and fit into Avery's defense game plan every night. Cousins is a gamble, given his attitude problems, but I really think the Nets should take the risk.

I think Cousins fits in LESS into an Avery defense than Favors. Neither him nor Brook can guard NBA 4's. The one thing everyone felt from the workout was that Cousins is a FIVE...PERIOD at this stage of where he is at. ANd that Favors wasnt even breaking a sweat in some of the harder drills thrown at him. That he was the freak athlete. Defensively...hands down Favors is the more NBA ready...better fit for the PF spot. Cousins who like Brook is most comfortable on the low blocks is the much better offensive player at this stage. Yes, he has more range and a nice shot. But is that the goal here? To tunr him into a 15-20 foot set jump shooter? He isnt busting guys off the dribble in the NBA at the size he is. I like that he has touch...and I wont cry if he is the guy...but after sleeping on it...and re=reading all that was said and seen in their workouts...I come away thinking...yeah...they did lock in on Favors at 3...and uless they can accomplish more in terms of creating cap space or adding assets...they draft him at 3 to keep him at 3. Or even better...pass him at 3, help themselves cap space wise or asset wise and get him even lower in the draft. Minny under the cap and with assets we would like that are duplicates for them...it just might happen like that.

Now they play their game of chicken. We take Favros at 3 I expect to keep him. We take Wes I expect to hear a deal before the draft is over. We take Cousins I think its a pick em.

[enetric]

Thorn knows what he's doing, I trust him to make the right decision. I read some articles that say Minnesota is highly leaning towards Wesley Johnson. If we could land Favors and get something out of Minnesota by trading down 1 spot, I say go for it.

And i've heard plenty of people saying that those article mean nothing. What makes you think Thorn has any idea Thorn knows what he is doing. A month ago we were talking about Phil Jackson and Coach K.

Because other than you...the vast majority of people out there...Nets fans and NBA exec feel Rod is about as great an NBA guy as there is. And unlike you, most of us will try to read between the lines of what we read. You read what you want at all times and have your own barometer for how to judge things. Sometimes that's thinking out of the box...and I like that. But as that you never seem to raise points that make anyone around here think....hmmmmm...interesting...I feel comfortable as I believe most people do around here at just dismissing you as ODD.