2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[vincecarter4pres]

I found this very interesting. What he said is the way you word it when you actually have had legit conversation and you are considering it....

As Thursday night's NBA Draft draws closer, rumors of the New Orleans Hornets entertaining numerous offers for the services of All-Star guard Chris Paul continue to circulate.


And general manager Jeff Bower on Tuesday refused to comment on any possible scenarios involving Paul, the face of franchise.


"I'm not going to comment on rumors, regardless of confirming them or denying them or saying how believable or unbelievable they are," Bower said. "Because it's something that will be there throughout the free agent process. I'm not going to begin commenting now.

"We have the duty to listen and have dialog with teams about all of our players. I've also always said we have a very high value and opinion of what Chris provides for us. Things really haven't changed."

Pressed whether he wanted to put to rest all rumors regarding Paul, Bower would not commit.

"It's going to go on, whether I say that or not, the speculation," Bower said. "We have a very high opinion of his value, what he provides for our team, what our objectives would need to be met. We have a duty to listen to calls and have discussions with teams. And that's as far as we would go with any player."

That honestly sounds like a man that is not looking to deal Chris Paul, but has been intrigued by some of the offers he's recieving and may even be contemplating some(or one) of them.

[enetric]

Think about it. Its your franchise player and your franchise is being sold, clearing cash is of interest at this time...its your window to rebuild.

If you are certain without any doubt you say....Chris Paul isnt on the trade block, no idea where these rumors are coming from. We gets calls about all our players all the time. We havent heard a deal remotely close to anything we would consider.

You dont say we have a very high opinion of our franchise player's value. That is a well worded way of saying something we all go...yeah? No **** sherlock.

But when you say we have a duty to listen...and you dont flat out deny that you would deal him...it sets up the comment post trade...that goes....

After weighing things carefully, while we werent looking to trade Paul, we felt we received a package of players with the potential to be very special in this league and decided that this deal was in the long term best interest of our franchise.

That way you can spin the trade positively not apologize for it. We have done it a few times. Kmart for picks. RJ for Yi. VC for Lee?


The key is...you are pressed to flat out say...ABSURD...and you dont say it. Or to say, CP3 is not on the block. My point is....this was a well worded statement that sounds like a back door was included in it. Those type of statement get written by the PR department. The PR department writes it because you ASK them to write one with a back door.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yup yup.

I also find it interesting he said, not once, but twice, "his value", as in, IMO, Chris Paul's trade value...

[enetric]

There you go.

Now...The best I thought we could do this summer was Lebron/Lee/Favors.

That we actualyl came up with a plausible trade to set up....

Lebron/Paul/Okafor....and another shot at S&T Okafor for a better big? Wow.

Of course we are dreaming and having fun...but its not absurd. It really isnt.

Next summer? If Redd heals he can have our MLE and you have a shooter!!! lol....

[Basileus777]

No one would take Okafor's contract in a sign and trade. Even Toronto would probably just want to cut their losses, get their salary structure back in line, and rebuild. They weren't a good team with Bosh, they aren't going to sell that team as even mediocre to the fanbase with Okafor replacing him.

[vincecarter4pres]

Of course we are dreaming and having fun...but its not absurd. It really isnt.

I agree. It sure as hell isn't likely, but it's possible!

[andyhop]

I am asking because...that determines how interesting a Devin/3 for Rubio/4 deal really is.

Well its totally uninteresting to the Wolves

[deviljets7]

Also, with a Monroe possibility. What about the #3 for the #5 + Casspi? (maybe throw in the #27)?

If rumors are true, we just dealt CDR for a future pick. To me that validates that we are not going to take on assets that take away cap room at this time.

So if we trade down, I dont expect to hear...Nets get sp and so and lower pick for #3. I believe we will either create salary cap space, or we will convert salary into lower priced assets...which of course also creates cap space. The one exception if I had to guess is if we can add a star player, like the Paul rumor. It all seems very clear to me that the game plan is to come away with two star players by the time all the wheeling, dealing and free agent signing is done. SO if we can trade for one now...great. If not, then all signs point to what I have been saying all along. Maximize cap space, and go shopping.

I think your over-analyzing this CDR deal and the cap in general.

CDR isn't gone because it saves them $350K against the cap, he's gone because the front office was tired of his immaturity and nonsense, which outweighed his talent. The savings is a mere bonus.

Are they mindful of the cap? No doubt. Are they going to not do a deal because it cuts what amounts to pennies in cap room? I sure hope not. Just to use the #3 for #5/Casspi deal as an example, considering it's a 2-for-1 (and one less roster minimum cap hold), the salary cap impact is about $140K. Now if you feel it doesn't make this team better and that the gap between Favors and Monroe is greater than Casspi, that's fine. But to not do a deal simply because it cuts the cap space by roughly $140K is insanity.

[demens]

They are clearing cap for VEAL.

[Preludepunk27]

They are clearing cap for VEAL.

He doesn't like being called that. There are videos on Youtube talking about how he hates that nickname KMart gave him. I still love Brian though. He has been in the league 9 years when he shouldn't even have been in the league for 1. His 3's in the overtime game against Detroit are things of legend though lol. I'll never forget it.

[enetric]

I am asking because...that determines how interesting a Devin/3 for Rubio/4 deal really is.

Well its totally uninteresting to the Wolves

Uninteresting to a Wolves FAN....but to the team? All I have to say to you is...famous last words.

I have said previously...I respect the Wolves for standing their ground with Rubio and not being bullied by him and his agent. I dont like that those things are even possible in this sport. But the reality is...THEY ARE. At some point, it is absolutely possible you could end up looking back and thinking...wow.....cant believe that is all we got for Rubio. We should have dealt him... (however long ago.) Remember that offer we turned down?

It goes just like that in this sport. We could have had a proven young All star PG under contract and locked in the draft pick we wanted. Now, you may get the pick you want anyway...but I am just saying, this is certainly not a rip you off type of offer. Its a credible offer you cant imagine making because you have been fantasizing that you have GOLD in Rubio.

I dont blame you...just saying, it could all turn ugly before this is done.

[enetric]

Also, with a Monroe possibility. What about the #3 for the #5 + Casspi? (maybe throw in the #27)?

If rumors are true, we just dealt CDR for a future pick. To me that validates that we are not going to take on assets that take away cap room at this time.

So if we trade down, I dont expect to hear...Nets get sp and so and lower pick for #3. I believe we will either create salary cap space, or we will convert salary into lower priced assets...which of course also creates cap space. The one exception if I had to guess is if we can add a star player, like the Paul rumor. It all seems very clear to me that the game plan is to come away with two star players by the time all the wheeling, dealing and free agent signing is done. SO if we can trade for one now...great. If not, then all signs point to what I have been saying all along. Maximize cap space, and go shopping.

I think your over-analyzing this CDR deal and the cap in general.

CDR isn't gone because it saves them $350K against the cap, he's gone because the front office was tired of his immaturity and nonsense, which outweighed his talent. The savings is a mere bonus.

Are they mindful of the cap? No doubt. Are they going to not do a deal because it cuts what amounts to pennies in cap room? I sure hope not. Just to use the #3 for #5/Casspi deal as an example, considering it's a 2-for-1 (and one less roster minimum cap hold), the salary cap impact is about $140K. Now if you feel it doesn't make this team better and that the gap between Favors and Monroe is greater than Casspi, that's fine. But to not do a deal simply because it cuts the cap space by roughly $140K is insanity.

No, I agree with your point. I didnt do the numbers...I was reacting more to the direction of the trade. That I think the goal here was not to convert the players you can eliminate into other players but into space. Be it a small deal like that or a larger one. Unless of course what you added was a big help to your team....like the Paul rumor.

Do I think CDR specifically wsd umped for cap space? No! We didnt want him back and we got an asset for him. I agree with that. It just so hapens that is wasnt an asset that hits the cap and that should tell you the overall thinking around here right now when we have to read iditiotic trade ideas involving AK47, Tay Prince or whatevr nonsense of the moment is being put out there. I see this more as insight as in...not taking on a dollar...not taking on a few mil. They will run the playt like this through free agency unless a big stud trade gives them a serious reason not to.

[AQuintus]

Uninteresting to a Wolves FAN....but to the team? All I have to say to you is...famous last words

I'd be willing to be that it's even less interesting to the Wolves' team. David Kahn has the most disturbing kind of man love for Ricky Rubio. He's pretty much staked his entire career on Rubio coming over and being the team's star.

On top of that, there is no incentive at all for the Wolves to move up. No matter what the Nets do, 2 of Johnson, Favors, and Cousins will be available. Any one of those guys would be an excellent addition to the Wolves. The Wolves are in a fine spot at 4.

[netsfanbq]

Dave D'Allesandro (sp?) says everything is in play...a Devin salary dump included. We are going all in for Lebron +1 more max...I hope this works out. Even if we don't get LBJ, I think we will be able to land two great starting-level forwards in free agency, so I would prefer we go with Favors over Johnson...more upside. I know we want to win now, but realistically we are a couple of years away from contending. Go with the best available player. I think Wes will be good, and probably better than Favors right away, but his ceiling is lower. IF we can get Chris Paul??? No brainer...

[enetric]

Sticking to the premise that this is all a smoke screen (hopefully)...but today's media spin is not helping me like Avery Johnson if it is actually true. I dont like to take media angles like this as fact without some quotes to read into. Have to simply hope that the agent actually put this out there to help sell his client.

Anyway, I have this SF I plan on targeting who has a different agent. And in the end I would rather have an extra big man than have Wes Johnson join Lee and Twill behind Lebron.

Man...if Avery REALLY is pushing for this...and if Rod actually gives into taking a 23 year old Wes over a 19 year old Favors...I think I will be sick.

Come on...let this nonsense be a smoke screen.

According to a source close to Rob Pelinka, Johnson’s agent, the Nets have said Johnson’s professionalism and ability to contribute immediately are major reasons why he has moved ahead of Georgia Tech's Derrick Favors on Jersey's board. New Nets coach Avery Johnson, according to sources, wants a player who is low maintenance and can have an impact. Johnson answers that on all fronts.

The Nets covet a power forward, too, and Pelinka also represents Utah's Carlos Boozer. Multiple sources close to Boozer said his free-agent list, outside of staying with Utah, is limited to New Jersey, Chicago and Miami. The sources said Boozer has considered New Jersey for a few weeks.

According to sources, the Nets will look at trying to obtain Boozer or Toronto’s Chris Bosh or as a fallback Minnesota’s Al Jefferson, who has been made available by the Timberwolves in a possible trade.

One more thing...BARF to Al Jeff healthy and his contract. DOUBLE barf to him since injury. Not worth it.

[enetric]

Uninteresting to a Wolves FAN....but to the team? All I have to say to you is...famous last words

I'd be willing to be that it's even less interesting to the Wolves' team. David Kahn has the most disturbing kind of man love for Ricky Rubio. He's pretty much staked his entire career on Rubio coming over and being the team's star.

On top of that, there is no incentive at all for the Wolves to move up. No matter what the Nets do, 2 of Johnson, Favors, and Cousins will be available. Any one of those guys would be an excellent addition to the Wolves. The Wolves are in a fine spot at 4.

They go big..they must trade., From what I am reading, no one wants Al Jeff out there. Cousins wouldnt fit whatsoever. So do you trade Love?

Also, from what I am reading...Kahn has basically alienated most of the league already. Supposedly hey find him to be extremely arrogant, and it would seem most feel he wasnt qualified to get that job in the first place. At least that's what I am reading. Why mention all of this? Well, if Rubio keeps holding him by the nuts....it could be a very SHORT career.

[SpeedyG]

Sticking to the premise that this is all a smoke screen (hopefully)...but today's media spin is not helping me like Avery Johnson if it is actually true. I dont like to take media angles like this as fact without some quotes to read into. Have to simply hope that the agent actually put this out there to help sell his client.

Anyway, I have this SF I plan on targeting who has a different agent. And in the end I would rather have an extra big man than have Wes Johnson join Lee and Twill behind Lebron.

Man...if Avery REALLY is pushing for this...and if Rod actually gives into taking a 23 year old Wes over a 19 year old Favors...I think I will be sick.

Come on...let this nonsense be a smoke screen.

According to a source close to Rob Pelinka, Johnson’s agent, the Nets have said Johnson’s professionalism and ability to contribute immediately are major reasons why he has moved ahead of Georgia Tech's Derrick Favors on Jersey's board. New Nets coach Avery Johnson, according to sources, wants a player who is low maintenance and can have an impact. Johnson answers that on all fronts.

The Nets covet a power forward, too, and Pelinka also represents Utah's Carlos Boozer. Multiple sources close to Boozer said his free-agent list, outside of staying with Utah, is limited to New Jersey, Chicago and Miami. The sources said Boozer has considered New Jersey for a few weeks.

According to sources, the Nets will look at trying to obtain Boozer or Toronto’s Chris Bosh or as a fallback Minnesota’s Al Jefferson, who has been made available by the Timberwolves in a possible trade.

One more thing...BARF to Al Jeff healthy and his contract. DOUBLE barf to him since injury. Not worth it.

Saw that and I agree, makes me sour more on Avery if true. You're the damn coach, not the GM. And two, you want a low maintenance player? Then WTF did we hire you for? Your job is to coach, and if the best player we deem available is high maintenance, then it's your job to figure how to maintain that high-maintenance player.

[enetric]

Gotta be nonsense right???

Do you feel like you almost want to hear a big trade announcement before the draft tomorrow just to ensure we arent considering screwing this up?

[BasketCase1]

Anybody else besides me a bit nervous and alittle anxious about tommorows draft? I think about the draft atleast three times every hour while at work, in the shower, and even in bed. My wife knows come draft time to not bother me until two days after the draft. She usually plans a get together with her girlfriends on draft night...

Anyway back to the topic, Kahn is an idiot if he doesn't trade Rubio this offseason. I dont care what the kid tells the media, he doesnt want to play in Minnesota. If Khan thinks about trading Flynn and trades him, and then Rubio squeezes his testicles alittle more by staying in Europe for another season or two, then Khan will be out of a job for sure. I dont know what is it about the management in Minnesota, but for years they simply can't get a GM who's decent enough to run the team. What a shame for fans of Minnesota.

[SpeedyG]

Definitely anxious.

Would absolutely hate it if this team blows our cap space on guys like Boozer, passing on Favors/Cousins for Wes....