Chris Paul to Orlando?

[bringinhinkie]

about 25 teams could offer significantly better for cp3 than orlando if dwight isnt involved, which he obviously wouldnt be

[DowJones]

That's far from fact buddy. Are the Nets going to destroy their cap space to get Paul alone? Way to lock yourself into 6 years of failure. And who are these prospects you speak of? Nelson is an all star level proven point guard, obviously not on Paul's level, but I know for damn sure I would take Nelson over Harris ANY day. The Magic have prospects too, don't get it twisted.

Also remember that's 17 million in cap relief, PLUS unloading bad contracts, PLUS getting proven players. Really i'm interested to hear what other team is going to provide that.

Devin Harris+#3 is better than Nelson and VC. If you think otherwise then you are dreaming.

[Dr Pepper]

Nelson + VC...how about if the Spurs try to throw in TP and RJ, both of which are expiring contracts? Wouldn't that be more cap relief?

Still don't see CP3 being traded though unless a team comes up with a great deal and seems like it has to be more than just instant relief and they've likely got the starter PG position covered in Collison.

[mattyBoi]

That's far from fact buddy. Are the Nets going to destroy their cap space to get Paul alone? Way to lock yourself into 6 years of failure. And who are these prospects you speak of? Nelson is an all star level proven point guard, obviously not on Paul's level, but I know for damn sure I would take Nelson over Harris ANY day. The Magic have prospects too, don't get it twisted.

Also remember that's 17 million in cap relief, PLUS unloading bad contracts, PLUS getting proven players. Really i'm interested to hear what other team is going to provide that.

Devin Harris+#3 is better than Nelson and VC. If you think otherwise then you are dreaming.

They want cap relief to go along with talent. Where is the cap relief coming from the Nets side?

That Spurs trade is major cap relief but where is the talent coming from? The proven, decent contract talent?

Again you guys are just hating right now, it's OK. Just name a better deal from the Hornets point of view. Theres a reason Orlando's name has stuck out in all these articles.

[No Offense]

mattyboi: You want to know a better deal? Here's one to consider: Just hang onto the best point guard in the league and not give him up for pennies on the dollar.

You are arguing that people who are questioning the legitimacy of this rumor are haters, but you're coming off as a huge homer right now.

You simply don't trade Chris Paul for Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter and cap relief. You just don't.

[mattyBoi]

And if you say the Nets will just absorb the salary, I highly doubt they would put all their eggs in the Chris Paul basket alone. That team will be a bottom feeder for a decade.

[Dr Pepper]

That Spurs trade is major cap relief but where is the talent coming from? The proven, decent contract talent?

Again you guys are just hating right now, it's OK. Just name a better deal from the Hornets point of view. Theres a reason Orlando's name has stuck out in all these articles.

A healthy TP is better than Nelson. Maybe they throw in George Hill or some draft picks as well since a CP3 trade is pretty rare.

SA had rumors about trading TP for Nelson a while back as well.

Still don't see why NOH would want a starting caliber PG though so it'd have to be a 3 way trade for it to happen.

All that said I do chalk this up as nothing but daydreaming especially for Nelson and VC.

[mattyBoi]

mattyboi: You want to know a better deal? Here's one to consider: Just hang onto the best point guard in the league and not give him up for pennies on the dollar.

You are arguing that people who are questioning the legitimacy of this rumor are haters, but you're coming off as a huge homer right now.

You simply don't trade Chris Paul for Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter and cap relief. You just don't.

I hear you, but crazier things have happened, and given the Hornets situation with change of ownership and all, the talk of Chris Paul leaving is not imaginary. I understand that you just don't do that, but the fact is the talk is real.

[mattyBoi]

That Spurs trade is major cap relief but where is the talent coming from? The proven, decent contract talent?

Again you guys are just hating right now, it's OK. Just name a better deal from the Hornets point of view. Theres a reason Orlando's name has stuck out in all these articles.

A healthy TP is better than Nelson. Maybe they throw in George Hill or some draft picks as well since a CP3 trade is pretty rare.

SA had rumors about trading TP for Nelson a while back as well.

Still don't see why NOH would want a starting caliber PG though so it'd have to be a 3 way trade for it to happen.

All that said I do chalk this up as nothing but daydreaming especially for Nelson and VC.

IMO Parker hasn't played at a high level in a while and couldn't get it done this past postseason, so IMO calling Parker better than Nelson at this point is debatable. That's besides the point though.

You said yourself that he is an expiring contract, so he is only included in the deal for cap relief. Why would they want to resign and overpay for Parker if they are looking for cap relief. Nelson comes at half the price, already under contract for multiple years, and playing at a higher level.

[Dr Pepper]

That Spurs trade is major cap relief but where is the talent coming from? The proven, decent contract talent?

Again you guys are just hating right now, it's OK. Just name a better deal from the Hornets point of view. Theres a reason Orlando's name has stuck out in all these articles.

A healthy TP is better than Nelson. Maybe they throw in George Hill or some draft picks as well since a CP3 trade is pretty rare.

SA had rumors about trading TP for Nelson a while back as well.

Still don't see why NOH would want a starting caliber PG though so it'd have to be a 3 way trade for it to happen.

All that said I do chalk this up as nothing but daydreaming especially for Nelson and VC.

IMO Parker hasn't played at a high level in a while and couldn't get it done this past postseason, so IMO calling Parker better than Nelson at this point is debatable. That's besides the point though.

You said yourself that he is an expiring contract, so he is only included in the deal for cap relief. Why would they want to resign and overpay for Parker if they are looking for cap relief. Nelson comes at half the price, already under contract for multiple years, and playing at a higher level.

Parker hasn't played at a high level in a while? Like CP3, he's been injured. Parker was the 2nd best PG in the league from a PER perspective in the 2009 season and helped lead a Ginobili-less team into the playoffs. He had glimpses of that in 2010 but he had injuries throughout the year and as a Magic fan you should realized how injuries affects a PG's play

I also said that I don't think NOH would want a starting caliber PG given the rise of Collison.

Parker/RJ/no. 20 pick seems like a better cap-deal than the OP's and you'll get a young rotation player from the draft... but you run into the same problem above.

[MagicalMan]

couldnt the Magic throw in their large TPE in as well for immediate cap relief?

[Magic24]

And if you say the Nets will just absorb the salary, I highly doubt they would put all their eggs in the Chris Paul basket alone. That team will be a bottom feeder for a decade.

They wouldn't have to if they include Harris.
They can absorb Paul's contract and trade the 3, 27, Harris, and Kris (or Lee) for Okafor.

With this trade, the Hornets save at least 8 million in tax money, they make even more by being one of the teams that don't pay tax. When you include the contract savings, that is at least 15+ million that they save, this year.

Then they get the 3rd pick, the 27th and Harris. I'm sure that the Nets could throw in a future pick if needed.

The Nets will still have enough to sign a max player. After a trade like above, the Nets will have at most 38-39 million committed to players. Add in 16.5 brings you to 54-55 million.

[Magic24]

couldnt the Magic throw in their large TPE in as well for immediate cap relief?

I could be wrong, but I don't think TPE can be traded with players. So they will have to trade for someone less than their TPE, so maybe Posey.

[j-ragg]

It would have to be two seperate deals.

[LBPTarHeel27]

couldnt the Magic throw in their large TPE in as well for immediate cap relief?

I could be wrong, but I don't think TPE can be traded with players. So they will have to trade for someone less than their TPE, so maybe Posey.

It'd be 2 deals...

One the brings in Okafor & Paul and the second bringing in Posey for the TPE.

Like I said, if they want cap relief...we can provide a 65 million dollar swing in committed salaries over the next two years.

What other team can?

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Like I said, if they want cap relief...we can provide a 65 million dollar swing in committed salaries over the next two years.

What other team can?

Any of the 7 or 8 teams this offseason with capspace.

Dallas for sure thanks to Dampier's deal.

And any other team with better expirings than Orlando (not going to bother looking it up).

I mean seriously?

[LBPTarHeel27]

Like I said, if they want cap relief...we can provide a 65 million dollar swing in committed salaries over the next two years.

What other team can?

Any of the 7 or 8 teams this offseason with capspace.

Dallas for sure thanks to Dampier's deal.

And any other team with better expirings than Orlando (not going to bother looking it up).

I mean seriously?

Do you really see teams like New Jersey and New York with all that money wasting it on guys like James Posey & Emeka Okafor? No...those teams are not going to want to take those contract back with all of the big name FA's out there.

Dallas can offer Caron Butler & Erick Dampier as cap relief going in to next summer. (23.5 million)

The Magic can offer Vince Carter & Michael Pietrus as cap relief going in to next summer. (22.6 million)

On top of that, the Magic can offer the (roughly) 6.3 million dollar TPE as IMMEDIATE relief.

On top of that, the Magic can offer a legit big man to help rebuild in Gortat.

Also, Dallas would not be able to move Terry or Kidd...so bringing in Paul would have Dallas invested 34 million dollars between 3 PG's.

[Magic24]

couldnt the Magic throw in their large TPE in as well for immediate cap relief?

I could be wrong, but I don't think TPE can be traded with players. So they will have to trade for someone less than their TPE, so maybe Posey.

It'd be 2 deals...

One the brings in Okafor & Paul and the second bringing in Posey for the TPE.

Like I said, if they want cap relief...we can provide a 65 million dollar swing in committed salaries over the next two years.

What other team can?

Look at my Nets deal.
Heck, if all they care about is cap space, they can send Harris to the Hawks for Crawford and their pick. Tell the Nets owner to toss in 3 million.

[zzmav]

Dallas could offer a package of:
-Damp (instant expiring)
-Butler(expiring)
-Stevenson(expiring), and
-Beaubois (young talent)

for

Paul
Okafor
Posey

This would create over $17 million in instant savings for New Orleans and approximately $33 million total by the end of the season. New Orleans would also get a very nice cheap young talent in Roddy B, draft picks, and probably cash from Cuban.

Just a thought.

[LBPTarHeel27]

Dallas could offer a package of:
-Damp (instant expiring)
-Butler(expiring)
-Stevenson(expiring), and
-Beaubois (young talent)

for

Paul
Okafor
Posey

This would create over $17 million in instant savings for New Orleans and approximately $33 million total by the end of the season. New Orleans would also get a very nice cheap young talent in Roddy B, draft picks, and probably cash from Cuban.

Just a thought.

I still don't see it being a better offer than Orlando.

At best, it is equal. In which case, if NO is going to stack a team (either Dirk+CP3 or Dwight+CP3) then wouldn't they rather him go to another conference?