#13 for Fernandez+#22 (Deal dead, pg. 26)

pharring · Post #181 » by **pharring** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:19 am

MrBojangelz71 wrote:
He's cheap and he is a talented player. Regardless of what area of the world he comes from.

Are we ever going to give some consideration to assembling an actual team as opposed to acquiring random "talented" players?

Draft Aldrich.

MrBojangelz71 · Post #182 » by **MrBojangelz71** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:19 am

There are some sleepers in this draft, possibly some dropping to the mid 20's. If there is a chance we get one of them, negating the difference we gave up in picks, we also get a solid young athletic wing that isn't nearly as bad as some seem desperate to state. I have seen a few of Rudy's good games to understand he is a solidly skilled player with room to grow at only 2 mill for 4 seasons.

He digressed last season therefore I believe he could rebound this season. There is a tendacy for rookies to do that. If he plays 25min I think he is a 12pnt/4brd player. That's not bad for 2mill.

You also have a draft pick that could turn out ok. They're there, just gotta find them. We could fail picking 13th.

I wouldn't be overly upset with this from a basketball point. From a perception point of view, this will be viewed from by most on this board.

He's cheap and he is a talented player. Regardless of what area of the world he comes from.

Komodo · Post #183 » by **Komodo** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:19 am

Jim Todd Jr. wrote:I would do it, then flip rudy to chicago for 17.....

essentially we would get 17 and 22 for 13....

then we draft avery bradley at 17, and a project big at 22... alabi or whiteside...

I like that much better. Still not sure if I'd pull the trigger. Tempting.

HomieOmey · Post #184 » by **HomieOmey** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:20 am

Why's everyone hung up on DeRozan being our SG?? With Hedo wanting out, DeRozan could easily become our SF. He's probably more of a SF anyways.

Post #185 » by **LittleOzzy** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:21 am

RapticPride wrote:If he makes this trade i'm done with this team until BC is fired.... I will be outside the ACC boycotting throughout the cold winter months if I have to...LOL

Good luck with that.

kingz32 · Post #186 » by **kingz32** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:22 am

THIS DEAL IS PROBABLE TO GO DOWN. BRAD FAY JUST MENTIONED THESE TRADE TALKS ON ROGERS SPORTSNET.

(sorry for the caps)

Bankai · Post #187 » by **Bankai** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:23 am

darthkiller wrote:didndt know the raptors are trying to build the worst defensive team in history.

And last year they were pretty much the worse defensive team in the league. Now whats going to happen when Rudy is on board, Jack will then be dealt, Bosh and Wright likely gone, Hedo is almost unmovable, any resemblance of defense last year will be gone... Next season the Raptors are going to be the Indiana Pacers of Canada. The ACC might as well just put a red carpet down all the way to the basket.

Fast_Feets · Post #188 » by **Fast_Feets** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:24 am

BC has it all backwards.

He should be following the Thunder's model to success. Try to move up and grab the best talents available instead of moving down. Heck it looks like their trying to get into the Top 10 again!

WTH BC. If he does this trade just replace the guy.

A_wildstabatanything · Post #189 » by **A_wildstabatanything** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:25 am

Relentless88 wrote:I don't understand the hate in this thread. There isn't a large drop off from 13 to 22. I'm pretty sure Bledsoe will be available, maybe Bradley and for sure one of Whiteside/Orton/Alabi. We get Rudy here as well who had a pretty good rookie year.

The problem with this deal is it's hard to pull the trigger without knowing who's available at 22, and we don't know who the Blazers want.

Alabi would be such a predictable selection at #22. Seems like a good kid and all. Has some size and a decent midrange shot, but all I see there is an end of the bench guy. Possible fan favorite who plays limited minutes at best. Most likely a wasted pick.

danny-callahan · Post #190 » by **danny-callahan** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:25 am

Bankai wrote:
darthkiller wrote:didndt know the raptors are trying to build the worst defensive team in history.

And last year they were pretty much the worse defensive team in the league. Now whats going to happen when Rudy is on board, Jack will then be dealt, Bosh and Wright likely gone, Hedo is almost unmovable... Next season the Raptors are going to be the Indiana Pacers of Canada. The ACC might as well just put a red carpet down all the way to the basket.

You're exactly right. After an showcasing ourselves as the worst defensive team in the league (and at times of all time), you'd think there would be a deliberate effort to change the culture. Still though, we are targeting the same types of players.

Relentless88 · Post #191 » by **Relentless88** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:26 am

I don't understand the hate in this thread. There isn't a large drop off from 13 to 22. I'm pretty sure Bledsoe will be available, maybe Bradley and for sure one of Whiteside/Orton/Alabi. We get Rudy here as well who had a pretty good rookie year.

The problem with this deal is it's hard to pull the trigger without knowing who's available at 22, and we don't know who the Blazers want.

Supercollider · Post #192 » by **Supercollider** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:27 am

Fast_Feets wrote:BC has it all backwards.

He should be following the Thunder's model to success. Try to move up and grab the best talents available instead of moving down. Heck it looks like their trying to get into the Top 10 again!

With what? Without adding Bargnani or DeRozan to the mix, I don't see how moving up would be possible.

RapticPride · Post #193 » by **RapticPride** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:27 am

If he makes this trade i'm done with this team until BC is fired.... I will be outside the ACC boycotting throughout the cold winter months if I have to...LOL

Landomar · Post #194 » by **Landomar** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:28 am

I really like Rudy Fernandez, and think he would be a great addition. I think he has the ability to take on a bigger role than he did in Portland, and next season I wouldn't be surprised if he performed better than any wing currently on the roster. He also has 2 years left on a very cheap rookie scale contract. If he can be had for the price of moving from #13 to #22, that looks like good value to me.

Option A) draft George, Aldrich, Patterson, or maybe Bradley at #13
Option B) Fernandez + drafting Alabi, Whiteside, Robinson, or maybe Bradley at #22

I would rather take Option B, if Portland is willing to make that trade.

RapticPride · Post #195 » by **RapticPride** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:28 am

BC is an absolute bafoon! When is he going to address the defensive issues with this basketball team? Adding Rudy freaking Fernandez is only going to make our defense worse. I know this deal hasn't gone through yet, but the mere fact that he is considering it is very troubling. Haven't we lost enough games on defense alone to open this mans eyes? He needs to change his philosophy or GTFO out of our city!

Joshuan3 · Post #196 » by **Joshuan3** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:28 am

HELL Nawhh
we got too many sg's

mowcrowbar · Post #197 » by **mowcrowbar** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:29 am

Relentless88 wrote:I don't understand the hate in this thread. There isn't a large drop off from 13 to 22. I'm pretty sure Bledsoe will be available, maybe Bradley and for sure one of Whiteside/Orton/Alabi. We get Rudy here as well who had a pretty good rookie year.

The problem with this deal is it's hard to pull the trigger without knowing who's available at 22, and we don't know who the Blazers want.

Its not only that... rudy is a not bad player offensively, its the defense... Its just BC's mindset we are all worried about.. Why in the **** would you bring in a soft euro who cannot defend? Didn't he learn from last year?

This year is a gaurd heavy draft, I take bradley, warren, Bledsoe, george, xavier, and countless others over him.

Garmfay · Post #198 » by **Garmfay** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:29 am

Lots of blind euro hating going here. Rudy has got talent and getting #22 where we could still get a Bradley or Bledsoe would be nice

pharring · Post #199 » by **pharring** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:29 am

Relentless88 wrote:I don't understand the hate in this thread. There isn't a large drop off from 13 to 22. I'm pretty sure Bledsoe will be available, maybe Bradley and for sure one of Whiteside/Orton/Alabi. We get Rudy here as well who had a pretty good rookie year.

The problem with this deal is it's hard to pull the trigger without knowing who's available at 22, and we don't know who the Blazers want.

It's not that. It's the kind of player we're being linked to. Rudy is just more of the same. It's as if Colangelo learned nothing from last year.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #200 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:29 am

Relentless88 wrote:I don't understand the hate in this thread. There isn't a large drop off from 13 to 22. I'm pretty sure Bledsoe will be available, maybe Bradley and for sure one of Whiteside/Orton/Alabi. We get Rudy here as well who had a pretty good rookie year.

The problem with this deal is it's hard to pull the trigger without knowing who's available at 22, and we don't know who the Blazers want.

+1 but this is the Raptors board where you can never please anyone unless its Banks for Lebron but even then youd have some people saying but where would Lebron play? Cant take away time from Derozan.