2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[enetric]

The thing is that even if Rubio decides he doesn't want to come over to play for the Wolves and tries to force a trade he just has more value next off season when he can come over than he does now.So even presuming that despite all of the evidence he won't play for the Wolves trading him now unless it is a slam dunk makes no sense.

Trading him now for less than a big star basically ends Kahn's career immediately.

The thing is...its unlikely you get a better offer than Devin Harris and a chance to move up to take the pick of your choice. And what happens if he gets hurt? A year is a long time. Sadly, either way...i think Kahn is a lame duck.

[vincecarter4pres]

Dude, what happened to your avi?! That thing was like a staple of this forum!

[Jersey Generals]

Dude, what the heck happened? Go up to your "My nemesis" post, Vince. How is my response above yours? Oh my, I'm a witch!

[enetric]

According to Andy Katz, we might be getting the 19th pick from Boston for the 27 and 31.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... -19th-pick

Yeah...i heard that. What would be the cap implications of that factoring in cap holds?

19th pick rookie scale: $1,181.8
27th pick rookie scale: $868.6


Now 2nd rounders have no scale...but they have a cost. So factoring it all in...ad using cap holds....anyone...anyone????

[Jersey Generals]

It takes about $700,000 off of the cap space.

[enetric]

It takes about $700,000 off of the cap space.

How do you figure? I would like to see that broken down.

[enetric]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/17022/wednesday-night-draft-chatter

The full Chad update...

Wednesday Night Draft Chatter
June, 23, 2010 Jun 238:57PM ETEmail Print Comments4 By Chad Ford
Archive I've been working the phones all day and here's the latest chatter around the league
It's time to end all of the Chris Paul speculation that grew like wildfire over the past few days. The Hornets did receive a few calls about Paul, but a very good source in New Orleans tells me they aren't trading him. Owner George Shinn may want to save cash, but he can't part with with his franchise cornerstone.
Georgia Tech big man Derrick Favors is back in favor in New Jersey. A league source told me on Wednesday night that after 24 hours of debate, it looks like Favors has re-emerged as the favorite to go No. 3. After a so-so Favors workout on Monday, the Nets began to move toward Syracuse forward Wes Johnson. But with the draft now less than 24 hours away, Favors has re-emerged as the favorite. The news squashes the prevailing theory around the league that drafting Johnson was a precursor to the Nets signing free agent forward Carlos Boozer this summer. Both Johnson and Boozer are represented by the same agent, Rob Pelinka. The source stressed that the decision wasn't a final one and that the Nets were also exploring potential trade options with the No. 3 pick. But if the draft were held tonight, Favors would be the pick.
I'm not sure if Minnesota will greet the news with joy or relief. They focused in on Johnson early but got comfortable with the idea of taking Favors at 4 over the course of the last 24 hours. The Wolves continue to look for an Al Jefferson deal after being rebuffed by Detroit over the weekend (Wolves offered Jefferson for Tayshaun Prince and No. 7) and the Grizzlies (for Zach Randolph) earlier in the day.
The Kings, as we've been reporting all week, are still leaning toward taking DeMarcus Cousins at No. 5 if both Favors and Wes Johnson are off the board. A team source disputes a report that the Kings have made up their mind, but as we told you last night, the consensus remains with Cousins.
The Warriors are talking to a number of teams about potential trades and it looks like the No. 6 pick in the draft is up for grabs. The cost, however is high. The Warriors want whoever takes the pick to take on the contract of Monta Ellis as part of the deal. If the Warriors keep the pick, they're deciding between Greg Monroe and Ekpe Udoh. My source continues to support what I wrote Tuesday night -- Udoh has the edge.
The Pistons have been exploring a number of deals, but at this point they seem pretty set at No. 7. Of course they would to land DeMarcus Cousins. But the Pistons seem content to take Greg Monroe or Ed Davis here. While the team is high on both Monroe, Davis and Ekpe Udoh, Detroit is still leaning toward Greg Monroe here if he's on the board.
The Raptors have had serious talks today with the Portland Trail Blazers about a deal that would send the 22nd pick and Rudy Fernandez to Toronto for the 13th pick. The Blazers have been very aggressive about getting up into the lottery, but have been reluctant to part with both Fernandez and the 22nd pick to do it.
The Heat traded the 18th pick and Daequan Cook to Oklahoma City for the 32nd pick. The move for Miami adds around $3 million in room next year to pursue their strategy of landing two big time free agents to add alongside Dwyane Wade The Thunder are still trying to package picks to move up in the draft and can now offer 18, 21 and 26 to get into the Top 10. Will 18 seal the deal? If they stay at 18, look for them to consider Solomon Alabi, Daniel Orton and Avery Bradley at 18.

[vincecarter4pres]

So the question comes, if we move up to 19, who are we targeting?
Or are we trying to move up even further by packaging the 19th and Courtney Lee or a future pick?


BTW, it looks like everyone's avi's are gone and yeah that's weird that those posts reverse ordered.

[Jersey Generals]

How do you figure? I would like to see that broken down.

Using a simple $500,000 number for a cap hold. The reason I did that, rather than the 31 salary scale, is because if that 300 grand is important, we would simply not sign the drafted player.

Cap hold for 27: $868,600
Roster spot hold: $500,000
Both of them equal 1,368,600.

Cao hold for 19: $1,181,800
Roster spot hold: $500,000
Both of them equal $1,681,800

Difference: $313,200

*I added an extra cap hold in my original thinking, though admittedly, I didn't write it out the first time, so that's why.

[Jersey Generals]

Since cap holds are 470 and change the difference is actually even less, about 250K.

That's it, Vince: I declare you my nemesis.

[vincecarter4pres]

Since cap holds are 470 and change the difference is actually even less, about 250K.

[enetric]

How do you figure? I would like to see that broken down.

Using a simple $500,000 number for a cap hold. The reason I did that, rather than the 31 salary scale, is because if that 300 grand is important, we would simply not sign the drafted player.

Cap hold for 27: $868,600
Roster spot hold: $500,000
Both of them equal 1,368,600.

Cao hold for 19: $1,181,800
Roster spot hold: $500,000
Both of them equal $1,681,800

Difference: $313,200

*I added an extra cap hold in my original thinking, though admittedly, I didn't write it out the first time, so that's why.

You dont need to have a roster spot hold and a cap hold for the pick though...either way that's a wash. We added salary here by trading up. So it comes down to...the hit that the 31st pick would have on our cap...Vs the cap hold we will add by having one less spot filled.

That is where I think this gets confusing...

[enetric]

This would be BAD....very bad....

The Clippers may trade their No. 8 pick to Chicago for Luol Deng and the Bulls' 17th pick, according to a source that spoke with Chris Broussard.

Broussard hasn't received confirmation from a team official.

RealGM Note: This trade could not be completed on draft night due to the Clippers needing to use their cap space to absorb Deng's contract.

[enetric]

Exact value of a cap hold:

$473,604

[Jersey Generals]

You dont need to have a roster spot hold and a cap hold for the pick though...either way that's a wash. We added salary here by trading up. So it comes down to...the hit that the 31st pick would have on our cap...Vs the cap hold we will add by having one less spot filled.

That is where I think this gets confusing...

No, of course you don't, but you're trading two picks for one: meaning you need to add a cap hold in order to show the true value of the trade. Unless, of course, you have more than 11 players on the roster, in which case there would be no roster hold.

[enetric]

I think we are saying the same thing in different ways.

Plus, I thought you were saying initially that you thought we created more cap space where it seems to me we lose cap space.

[enetric]

I would really like to hear some more credible trade rumors for us. Either something to dump Yi...or a way to convert Devin into a cheaper PG alternative. Or, of course...CP3 back in the mix.

[Jersey Generals]

Since cap holds are 470 and change the difference is actually even less, about 250K.

Nah, dude, because I added the $26,000 to both sides, it comes out the same either way.

[vincecarter4pres]

I would still like to know if we are targeting a specific player at 19 or if we are moving up to move up a second time.
The 19th and Courtney Lee or a future pick like the GSW pick should be good for top 10 range.

If we stay at 19 and draft Favors, unless someone lotto projected like Babbitt, George or Henry drop for some unexpected reason, I imagine we are targeting one of Avery Bradley, Eric Bledsoe, James Anderson, Elliot Williams or even Dominique Jones or Jordan Crawford if their stock has risen that far. I mean even if a guy is projected in the very early twenties we love, it's not a reach to say we trade up to wherever the opportunity allows as long as we think he isn't going to last to 27th.

I still think we are targeting one of the 3 I already mentioned, that being Paul George, Luke Babbitt or Xavier Henry. I think it's very possible we move up somewhere between 9 and 12 with the 19th and Courtney Lee.

[-soul fist-]

if not faVor's..luke harangody!!!!