MIN - IND

[shrink]

There's been some agreement on the IND board to this trade:

MIN GETS: #10 + TJ Ford (exp)
IND GETS: Sessions + Gomes + #23

For IND, the #10 is the best asset, but this meets a lot of needs:
1. Ramon Sessions - young PG locked into cheap deal
2. Move TJ Ford's deal because its over-priced.
3. Don't waste this season's minutes (TJ isn't the future), and try new PG with other youth
4. Gomes gives them cap space - right now they are only a few $100,000s under the 2010 lux.
5. Don't have to pay another $2 mil to the #10
6. Pick up the #23

However, here's the question I couldn't answer.

Shrink starting at this: Ford and #10 for Sessions, Gomes and #23, what would you need added by the pacers to get the wolves to ad the #16? What about Solo Jones he's cheap, young and expiring and showed some good play last season, or are we talking about adding a Brandon Rush?

Thoughts on this trade, or an answer to BBW's question?

[revprodeji]

yes, in a second.

I actually think Sessions would be great in that system. He is a good P/R dish guy.

Wow, I really like the trade.

No chance on the 16, sorry BBW, just no assets I would consider for it at that spot.

[Krapinsky]

I'd do it. They can't really add anything though. At 4 and 10 we are most likely picking wings, so Brandon Rush would not be needed. At that point we would probably trade #16 for a future first though.

[karch34]

I think it would have to be a protected future first as I don't really have an interest in Rush or Jones. How much protection would have to be based on if it's 16 instead of 23 or 16 in addition to 23.

[john2jer]

shrink, this has been my staple trade for awhile now in all Wolves discussions. I think the Sessions/Gomes/#23 for Ford/#10 is perfect for both teams.

4 - Favors
10 - George/Henry
16 - George/Henry if the other is still there, otherwise Anderson/Babbitt

[Casperkid23]

Yes in half a second. With Rubio and Flynn, Sessions doesn't make sense for the Timberwolves.

Extracting this type of value for the "might as well since this seems cheap" signing that Kahn made last year... well... it's great. For IND, they get their PG.

Win-win.

[C.lupus]

Yes

[Casperkid23]

Replacing the #23 with #16 in that deal would take more than Rush, as it would probably kill any chance at an Al and filler for Prince and #7 swap from the Pistons standpoint.

[LOBO 7]

Absolutely.

Especially since it seems we're after George (which I also love)

[Wolves Rube]

I don't see why either team wouldn't do this. I think this really helps improve both teams!

GET TO WORK KAHN!! Make it happen!

[jpatrick]

This is a big yes but I wonder how Kahn's hail mary comments will effect future dealings with Indiana.

[slinky]

^^It won't matter at all if each team likes the return on the deal...I think that sort of thing is a little overblown by the media, let's face it, if Larry Bird or David Kahn have an offer on the table that will best suit their needs, than they will take it.

People piss me off at work, but if they have something I want and they are willing to offer it, than I take it cause it makes my job easier.

[shrink]

Its just Woj, but ..

Would Pacers pass on Hayward?

The Indiana Pacers have hometown hero Gordon Hayward rated as one of the best players on their draft board, sources say, but are torn because they desperately need to find a point guard or a center in the draft. They don’t need Hayward that badly with franchise star Danny Granger on the roster.

Nevertheless, the Pacers are sensitive that Hayward could drop to them at No. 10 and could be ultimately vilified should they pass and he becomes a good player elsewhere. For all the reasons the Pacers want to trade out of the 10th spot, the specter of Hayward coming back to haunt the organization isn’t far down on the list, sources say.

Indiana is engaging numerous teams to trade for a point guard and picks further down in the draft. The Oklahoma City Thunder have been trying to move up in the draft, and some league executives believe they’re targeting Hayward.

– Adrian Wojnarowski, 3:50 p.m. ET, June 24

[younggunsmn]

I like it a lot Shrink, but I think the combo of Bird overvaluing his assets and the burned bridges lately between the 2 teams makes it pretty unlikely.

[shrink]

I like it a lot Shrink, but I think the combo of Bird overvaluing his assets and the burned bridges lately between the 2 teams makes it pretty unlikely.

I was going to write something about this, but I didn't have any specific examples to give. Its good to see someone shares this opinion.

I think I've been seeing Bird turn down trades that I thought were reasonable for a long time now, and I wonder if Kahn's comment was his frustration regarding this. Can anyone fill in the gaps in my memory and remind me of the 2005-2009 non-deals that gave me that impression?