Wiz Acquire Hinrich, Seraphin, $3M for Veermenko's rights

Dat2U · Post #81 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:28 pm

fishercob wrote:Givony just tweeted that Eliott Williams may be the guy at 17. HUH??

Elliott Williams, Kirk Hinrich & John Wall...

Arenas should start packing bags.

JWizmentality · Post #82 » by **JWizmentality** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:29 pm

Arenas won't be the one to destroy Wall's career. EG will.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #83 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:29 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:From the Jazz beat writer:

tribjazz Trying to make sense of Wizards' roster with Wall, Arenas and Hinrich. With cap space, Washington was potential Boozer destination.

So there is some good news, we're no longer a Boozer destination.

There is a bright side.

Heck, who are the projected 2011 lottery picks? Wizards might get #1 next season, too.

Hoopalotta · Post #84 » by **Hoopalotta** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:30 pm

Samuels wrote:I think this team with some decent center play is gonna make a serious playoff run and a chance for a .500 season..

Be afraid. Be very afraid. :uhoh:

AceDegenerate · Post #85 » by **AceDegenerate** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:30 pm

Seriously, the pick @ 17 is VERY important to the outcome of this trade. Elliot Williams? omg. NO.

queridiculo · Post #86 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:30 pm

I Never Lied wrote:This is a bad move, Hinrich sucks. Folks on the Bulls board are crying tears of joy to see him gone. Absolutely pathetic how you guys are trying to spin this.

Pathetic? Wtf cares about how bad Hinrich sucks, this team isn't in a position to compete for a minimum of two years anyway. By then Hinrich is either a valuable backup, or an expiring deal that will allow us to fill out our roster.

In the meantime we still haven't blown our cap and have a chance to shore up our roster in what looks like a pretty strong draft.

rockymac52 · Post #87 » by **rockymac52** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:31 pm

maybe the Bulls wanted Arenas? wishful thinking?

BruceO · Post #88 » by **BruceO** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:31 pm

So.. theoretically how quick can we flip him? I know many teams out there are looking for a point guard like off the top of my head indiana. I'd assume we couldn't make any trades involving hinrich with a third party at this point for the same reason the trade isn't official. How soon can we do this? I only ask because of the possibility of another move coming.

BTW at the 17th pick there are a couple of guys I like. I really like Damion james, Avery bradley and James Anderson. Also Paul George, Alabi and Aldrich are somewhere in that scenario. Is it also possible to package the 17th pick to move farther up?

My opinion on Hinrich is he is tough but he is nothing special. There might be a steal at the 17th which we are trying to get before OKC but to me Hinrich is not really needed and I expect a foye type impact. And by impact I mean a soft thud

dopeismarcus · Post #89 » by **dopeismarcus** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:31 pm

Krizko Zero wrote:I don't see why it means Arenas is gone is guaranteed.

PG-Wall/Hinrich
SG-Arenas/Young/Ross
SF-FA/Thornton/#35
PF-Blatche/#30?
C-#17?/McGee/FA

This team has almost no one under contract, Hinrich should not be starting regardless.

Hmmmm, I like.

Dat2U · Post #90 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:32 pm

rockymac52 wrote:
Can you please stop saying that? Look at his stats, he's not much worse than he was before. Derrick Rose was drafted, Hinrich stopped starting, and thus has about 2 less assists per game... he's fine quit bitching

I've seen enough of his stats. If someone wants to post his advanced numbers be my guest, I don't feel like it.

But I stand by what I said. He's a miserable offensive player for a guard. His PER stinks. He hasn't had a reliable jumper in like 3 years.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #91 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:33 pm

20MexicanosIn1Van wrote:Somebody posted this on the general discussion board and really puts things in perspective:

Jimmy76 wrote:this just occured to me

presti aquires the 18th pick for a 1.5 million expiring

wizards aquire 17th for 2 year 17 million dollar deal

unless they just really like hinrich's intangibles and can move arenas this is hilarious

(and yes draft day is presti in every post day)

Thanks 20Mexicanos. I've got a new sig!

Benjammin · Post #92 » by **Benjammin** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:35 pm

Guys I will repeat this since no one seemed to notice or care. Hollinger blasted the deal in a tweet. Later in a chat he said he recanted his criticism because he heard there were additional considerations (presumably coming from the Bulls to the Wizards). So maybe we need to wait and see if at least there's a little sugar coming the Wizards way with this deal.

20MexicanosIn1Van · Post #93 » by **20MexicanosIn1Van** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:36 pm

I wonder if the Wizards plan on flipping Hinrich right before the summer he becomes a free agent. Or, maybe to the Lakers this summer for an expiring and some picks? I've always thought he would be a GREAT fit for them. The Wizards weren't planning on contending this year anyways, so Wall gets a good teacher for a year and the Wizards get a valuable expiring contract soon (it's only two years) or are able to trade him for an expiring and more picks. Besides, Hinrich is a good player (just not for his contract).

rockymac52 wrote:What other lopsided trades have happened? Gasol is the obvious one, and the home run, but off the top of my head I can't really think of any great ones. Some quality players have been traded for cap space or dirt, but not very often, and not very good players. Unless I just am not thinking straight, but can someone fill me on on those trades?

Jamison for cap space, Butler/Haywood for cap space, Garnett for cap space, etc. The Jamison and Butler trades weren't absolute grand slams for the other teams (if Lebron didn't choke in the playoffs, the Jamison example would be a lot more poignant), but it seems to me that these type of trades work out a lot more frequently than FA signing. Heck, it seems that at least half of the time teams end up regretting their FA signing half way into the season (Magette, Brand, Gordon/Villeneuva, etc)

Post #94 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:36 pm

Benjammin wrote:Guys I will repeat this since no one seemed to notice or care. Hollinger blasted the deal in a tweet. Later in a chat he said he recanted his criticism because he heard there were additional considerations (presumably coming from the Bulls to the Wizards). So maybe we need to wait and see if at least there's a little sugar coming the Wizards way with this deal.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #95 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:36 pm

Dat2U wrote:
20MexicanosIn1Van wrote:Somebody posted this on the general discussion board and really puts things in perspective:

Jimmy76 wrote:this just occured to me

presti aquires the 18th pick for a 1.5 million expiring

wizards aquire 17th for 2 year 17 million dollar deal

unless they just really like hinrich's intangibles and can move arenas this is hilarious

(and yes draft day is presti in every post day)

Everyone else can see it but Wizards fans, who so badly want to believe that they've got credible leadership in charge.

I love Leonsis, but his 'EG mistake' is going to cost him years, millions & probably at least a couple of years of John Wall's development. It's going to be a very expensive lesson to learn that not everyone deserves a 2nd or 3rd chance to get it wrong again.

As long as Ernie Grunfeld makes the basketball decisions for this franchise, we are doomed. We are simply doomed to failure.

I agree, Kirk is washed up and we just helped out an Eastern Conference rival. If it was Noah in this deal it would be a home run for us. I really hope this deal falls through.

Benjammin · Post #96 » by **Benjammin** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:38 pm

I agree, Kirk is washed up and we just helped out an Eastern Conference rival. If it was Noah in this deal it would be a home run for us. I really hope this deal falls through.[/quote]

That's just silly to talk about Noah in a deal like this, really.

Surfman · Post #97 » by **Surfman** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:38 pm

Benjammin wrote:Guys I will repeat this since no one seemed to notice or care. Hollinger blasted the deal in a tweet. Later in a chat he said he recanted his criticism because he heard there were additional considerations (presumably coming from the Bulls to the Wizards). So maybe we need to wait and see if at least there's a little sugar coming the Wizards way with this deal.

I'd love if we got a future unpretected 1st. Then the deal is money.

Dat2U · Post #98 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:40 pm

Benjammin wrote:Guys I will repeat this since no one seemed to notice or care. Hollinger blasted the deal in a tweet. Later in a chat he said he recanted his criticism because he heard there were additional considerations (presumably coming from the Bulls to the Wizards). So maybe we need to wait and see if at least there's a little sugar coming the Wizards way with this deal.

Unless its Joakim Noah (not happening), its not changing my opinion.

Maybe we get a future 1st (i.e the 29th or 30th pick a year or two from now). Maybe we get the backup PF from USC (meh) but either way I'm still hating this deal.

AceDegenerate · Post #99 » by **AceDegenerate** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:40 pm

Its getting worse not better guys.

granthpaulsen
#Wizards apparently paying $3 million for the draft pick on top of taking Hinrich's contract. All told: could be $20 mill to get pick No.17

rockymac52 · Post #100 » by **rockymac52** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:41 pm

20MexicanosIn1Van wrote:Jamison for cap space, Butler/Haywood for cap space, Garnett for cap space, etc. The Jamison and Butler trades weren't absolute grand slams for the other teams (if Lebron didn't choke in the playoffs, the Jamison example would be a lot more poignant), but it seems to me that these type of trades work out a lot more frequently than FA signing. Heck, it seems that at least half of the time teams end up regretting their FA signing half way into the season (Magette, Brand, Gordon/Villeneuva, etc)

Garnett was not traded for cap space. Al Jefferson is not cap space. He's not Garnett, but he is NOT cap space.

So we have 2 examples so far, and both were made by us. Unfortunately we can't trade Arenas to ourselves, shoot! (no pun intended)