Wiz Acquire Hinrich, Seraphin, $3M for Veermenko's rights

REDardWIZskin · Post #261 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:37 am

in terms of consistency Kirk is an upgrade to N1, and a rebuttal to the point that we need a guy to be able to set jumpers with wall on the floor

Post #262 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:24 am

Why does everybody keep saying that Chicago can sign two max players now? Chicago has $31M in cap space. Max players cost $17M each.

mhd · Post #263 » by **mhd** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:25 am

Yeah, ESPN ARE IDIOTS! They kept on saying that Seraphin was a Bull.

Post #264 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:45 am

The more I think about this, the more I think the plan is to move Hinrich to a 3rd team. Hollinger mentioned that future considerations are in the works.

For argument's sake, let's assume we can ship Hinrich to the Lakers for Vujacic + Morrison (signed to a $1.8M deal to make the salaries work) + $3M cash. If that happened, we would essentially be on the hook for $7.2M in salary minus cash received, or $4.2M total. Also, rumors are the Chicago sent us cash in the trade, let's say it's $3M. If that were all true, then we effectively paid just $1.5M for the #17 pick plus a one-year rental of Vujacic and Morrison.

Indeed, maybe it makes even more sense to wait until mid-season to make that trade. We can reap the benefits of Hinrich's leadership early in the year, and then send him to a championship contender for cap relief.

mhd · Post #265 » by **mhd** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:46 am

nate33 wrote:The more I think about this, the more I think the plan is to move Hinrich to a 3rd team. Hollinger mentioned that future considerations are in the works.

For argument's sake, let's assume we can ship Hinrich to the Lakers for Vujacic + Morrison (signed to a $1.8M deal to make the salaries work) + $3M cash. If that happened, we would essentially be on the hook for $7.2M in salary minus cash received, or $4.2M total. Also, rumors are the Chicago sent us cash in the trade, let's say it's $3M. If that were all true, then we effectively paid just $1.5M for the #17 pick plus a one-year rental of Vujacic and Morrison.

I Doubt it Nate. DA said Wiz want Hinrich to mentor Wall.

Post #266 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:49 am

Well, even so, I can see us making a similar trade at the Trade Deadline. We get the benefit of Hinrich as a mentor for a while, but ultimately get the savings as well.

mhd · Post #267 » by **mhd** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:51 am

nate33 wrote:Well, even so, I can see us making a similar trade at the Trade Deadline. We get the benefit of Hinrich as a mentor for a while, but ultimately get the savings as well.

True Nate. I Could see us eventually trading Hinrich for a comparable expiring and a mid 1st rounder.

Post #268 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:08 am

I don't think we'll get a 1st, but even if we just get cash and cap relief, we'll look back on this trade and call it a win. We would have bought the #17 pick for just $1.5M (or maybe $4.5M depending on whether or not Chicago gave us cash) while also renting Hinrich for free for half a season.

mhd · Post #269 » by **mhd** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:09 am

You know what bugs me? Why didn't EG try and trade Miller and Howard? Miami would have easily done a QRICH for Miller swap. We could have picked up an extra pick.

willbcocks · Post #270 » by **willbcocks** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:27 am

Miller's a UFA and Miami aint getting rid of their hard earned cap room for him now.

Maybe we got 3 million in this trade? If so, not too bad.

mhd · Post #271 » by **mhd** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:29 am

willbcocks wrote:Miller's a UFA and Miami aint getting rid of their hard earned cap room for him now.

Maybe we got 3 million in this trade? If so, not too bad.

I meant at this past trade deadline. Qrich and Miller had the same salary. Could have been an easy swap.

Hoopalotta · Post #272 » by **Hoopalotta** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:31 am

I definitely thing Hiney will be movable for expirings; Any team that takes him will just need to pay about $4 million on half a season of a lockout shortened 2012.

I don't know if Ernie will go that route though; sounds like Gil's going to be moved instead.

mattyBoi · Post #273 » by **mattyBoi** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:26 am

Sooo first you guys try to give Dallas a championship, then Cleveland, now Chicago. Nice work, anyone else?

RickRoll_inDC · Post #274 » by **RickRoll_inDC** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:27 am

why would Gil have to get moved because of this?

Hinrich fills that 3rd guard role that was severely lacking last year. He plays the 1 and the 2 and plays DEFENSE.

McGee/FA
Blatche/Booker
Thornton/FA
Arenas/Hinrich
Wall/Hinrich

IMO, I don't think this is any reason to deal Gilbert. Besides, Flip mentioned Wall laying with Gilbert during his interview during the draft tonight.

Benjammin · Post #275 » by **Benjammin** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:29 am

mattyBoi wrote:Sooo first you guys try to give Dallas a championship, then Cleveland, now Chicago. Nice work, anyone else?

Yeah, I didn't notice the Mavs or the Cavs playing in the NBA finals during the playoffs, or did I miss something? Maybe if you'd talk with some Mavs and Cavs fans and ask them how those deals worked out for them?

TheBigThree · Post #276 » by **TheBigThree** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:34 am

mattyBoi wrote:Sooo first you guys try to give Dallas a championship, then Cleveland, now Chicago. Nice work, anyone else?

Thanks. Seems to have worked out pretty well thus far.

mohammed10 · Post #277 » by **mohammed10** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:35 am

Benjammin wrote:
Yeah, I didn't notice the Mavs or the Cavs playing in the NBA finals during the playoffs, or did I miss something? Maybe if you'd talk with some Mavs and Cavs fans and ask them how those deals worked out for them?

mhd · Post #278 » by **mhd** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:38 am

I said it during the Cavs-Celtic series: If the Cavs had Blatche instead of Jamison, they would have won that series.

Jordan45822 · Post #279 » by **Jordan45822** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:47 am

http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA

suppsedly Orlando is trying to ship off Carter to you guys.

mhd · Post #280 » by **mhd** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:50 am

Jordan45822 wrote:http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA

suppsedly Orlando is trying to ship off Carter to you guys.

Huh? We can't trade Foye because he's an UFA. Hinrich can't be traded with other players. This is a stupid rumor.