The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

Gsraider · Post #21 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:49 pm

I wonder if the interest in BJ Mullens is rekindled after failing to get a backup C in the draft and with OKL trading for C. Aldrich.

sixerfan1976 · Post #22 » by **sixerfan1976** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:53 pm

mullens is a possibility.

We have no plans to trade Iguodala.

If it seems having Turner and Iguodala together on the court doesnt work..then maybe they move him later. But Collins wants to see it on the court..he thinks defensively..there will be no team better at the 1/2/3 on D. We obviously have to address center and Stefanski and collins know that.

bballin76 · Post #23 » by **bballin76** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:55 pm

I don't think Mullens is good enough if Hawes doesn't pan out. you're going to want a proven defensive banger at the 5 to back up Hawes.

sixerfan1976 · Post #24 » by **sixerfan1976** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:08 pm

yeah I dont think Mullens is ready to play major minutes.

They need a Foster type guy.

I say its Kapono or Thad that leaves. Obviously Thad will get us a better return of the 2.

bebopdeluxe · Post #25 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:10 pm

If Kapono-for-Foster is a deal that can be done, then I do it now...give Foster as much time as possible to bang Hawes into compliance with what Collins will want to do defensively.

The best deal for Thad may only happen after some of the high-profile FA's finish theiur little game of musical chairs and the dust settles a little.

Post #26 » by **tk76** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:18 pm

I'd rather keep Thad for now. Give him the minutes and let Nocioni cry like the tough guy he is.

Sure the frontcourt is soft, but I don't want to make any short-sighted moves. There are years ahead to fix the frontcourt. J/T/I are 20/22/26. Thad can still become a key part of this team when it is ready to contend, while Nocioni will be back in Argentina by then.

bballin76 · Post #27 » by **bballin76** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:49 pm

Thad might be a luxury to have at this point. That's the only reason to move him. Not enough minutes or a starting role available for him to develop fully. Is a 20-25mpg guy off the bench with potential worth the 7.5 million cap hold that Thad will get?

freshie2 · Post #28 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:50 pm

As much as I don't want to see Thad go, he would seem to be the piece that is moved. I still think Memphis is an option (for whatever bizarre reason), but who knows. My post draft rationalization centered around the youth of the current roster, and really wanting to see it all together. My hope is that they move Speights in any pre-season moves, and then Kapono/Green in a deadline deal (or let them expire) which allows Thad to stay. I'm not of the mindset that we've seen his best basketball, and he still can be a 20+ scorer in this league.

I think people need to keep the big picture in mind when players like Hawes and Mullens are discussed. I keep seeing negative comments regarding their readiness/toughness/etc, but they are only in their early 20's and legitimate 7' players. If the Sixers want to get more toughness up front, sign one of the veteran FA centers and let the younger guys develop (I think Hawes is the starter, but if they get Mullens). Bringing Zoubeck into camp is another great fit as well...this isn't a 'today' team, so get a nice group of young bigs, and see how they develop. There is nothing wrong with having 6 guys on the 15 man roster that can contribute at the 4-5 (not including guys who can be 3-4 - Nocioni and Thad). That is the model that he early Bulls used in having multiple bigs who could contribute, but weren't dominant. At the very least, you can send Dwight Howard to the line 72 times if you have 6 bigs with 6 fouls...comes in handy.

51X3RF4N · Post #29 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:05 pm

J/T/I....

Me likey...

JTI is my new nickname for the trio that should bring us some good highlights/wins.

Gsraider · Post #30 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:23 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:mullens is a possibility.

I'm not suggesting that Mullens is the answer or that I really want him. I just recall your earlier e-mails that suggested that Philly might be interested in him and after failing to obtain a C in the draft, I thought they may have interest again, particularly if they can trade someone for him that will offset salaries. I'm guessing that's why they didn't acquire a 2nd round pick.

As for T. Young, once he wasn't traded in the draft for Aldrich or another big man, I'm not as bullish on trading him unless a terrific offer unearths itself this off-season. Let him hopefully re-establish his value as a 6th man type under Collins and then move him. His value has to be fairly low right now and it really shouldn't be, but we can thank Jordan for that.

Post #31 » by **tk76** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:28 pm

Let Thad's lowered value turn into a reasonable salary when we re-sign him. Nocionoi is not part of this team's future... Thad Young is. These are the current players on this roster who are relevant to the future- and there are plenty of minutes for them long term:

Jrue/Iguodala/Turner (starters)
Thad/Speights/Lou (Key reserves, ? starter potential)
Meeks, Hawes (possible reserves)

These player are placeholders who will be gone before or soon after the lock-out:
Brand/Nocioni/Green/Kapono

Minutes for the last group should not enter the conversation when thinking about keeping the 1st group. we need to think about who should be around when this team is peaking. not how to shore up this year's frontcourt for a 1st round playoff run...

bmyers3317 · Post #32 » by **bmyers3317** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:41 pm

Sixerfan1976,

1) Has there been any interest in Andris Biedrins? He is on the block and I think he is underated. Big contract though....I think.

2) Have you heard about any interest in any of these guys.....Aldridge, Haywood, Nene, Mark Gasol or Bynum (reach)

I think all of these players would add what the Sixers are looking for. Some more than others.

sixerfan1976 · Post #33 » by **sixerfan1976** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:42 pm

dont know any specifics yet of our post draft big man plans

51X3RF4N · Post #34 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:52 pm

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

I know this should be in fantasy trade thread, but it makes a ton of sense to me.

All we do is add Smith to Kapono and we get Biendrins. He is a great rebounder, he plays tough defense. He could easily platoon the Center position with Hawes. In 30 mpg the season before last, he avged over 11rpg. That is impressive.

Jrue/Lou
Turner/Meeks
Iggy/Thad/Nocioni
Brand/Speights/Nocioni
Biendrins/Hawes

Gets rid of our SF logjam and brings back a legit starting Center.

For GS, it gives them 2 expiring deals who can produce a little bit while ridding them of a long term financial debt.

Post #35 » by **tk76** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:52 pm

We are going to trade Iguodala and Nocioni for Bynum and Artest.

Well not really...

Gsraider · Post #36 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:38 pm

I wonder what that big "blockbuster" rumor was that the guy from the Pro Sports Daily forum couldn't disclose, but said he would if it fell through. No shock that it didn't happen, whatever it was, but I would have been curious to hear what it was.

Skates · Post #37 » by **Skates** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:42 pm

I like Biedrins as a guy who does a lot of what Sam did, but is more aware of his limitations. He was hurt a lot last year, however, and the Brand debacle has me gun shy about guys like that.

This team needs more muscle and D at the big positions and to add more shooting on the wings. Last year I thought Thad's shot would really come around, but thanks to Randy Ayers assistance, it definitely went the other way. Meeks development could help a lot in that area. If Thad isn't hitting the three, then I would move him, likely for another young pice like himself who isn't fitting in on another team.

51X3RF4N · Post #38 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:43 pm

He had mentioned in various threads different pieces. He alluded to the deal including Iggy. When Dei Lynum was asked what the lineup will look like next year, she said "With or without Andre?".

One poster over there posted that and said that he thinks Dei is on to something or knows something.

That "inside" poster said, "Yes, she does". Which made it seem like Iggy was included.

He also at one point said that it involved the #4 pick.

Psshh. Nothing.

sixerfan1976 · Post #39 » by **sixerfan1976** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:46 pm

Iguodala was never part of anything close to a deal yesterday.

PhillyFan · Post #40 » by **PhillyFan** » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:53 pm

The 2 things that deter me from Biedrins is his contract + his injuries.

His contract is $9 mil flat until 2013/2014 (last year is player option). It is a reasonable contract IF he is healthy. He runs the floor well and provides a great defensive presence. However, he has limited offensive game down the post or in terms of his shooting (?). He can provide what Dalembert provided us, but with a better attitude.

But if I was the Warriors management, I wouldn't really be open to trade him for Iggy unless I am getting some defensive bigs in return as well. Then again...it IS the Warriors and they are known to blow up whatever is going good!