The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[Gsraider]

What I hope and Collins has pretty much said he wouldn't do, is rule out a Thad, rule out a Lou. Because I think, if given the time and opportunity, Thad will get that 3 spot back.

While you may get your wish about them not being ruled out, I would prepare to be disappointed as it relates to Young at the SF spot. Collins has pretty much come out and said that he thinks Young is a better PF than SF and now Young has apparently put on 10 additional pounds of muscle. I'm guessing that's in preparation for playing his minutes predominatly at PF. I could be wrong, but none of our opinions really matter. Only Collins' does. Meanwhile, I think it's his opinion that Young is best served as a PF. Suggesting that this is a mistake or getting pissed about it won't change that.

[3ball86]

It looks like that Zoubek will play the SL with the Nets. (reported via twitter by DX)

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Baseless accusations? Do you know what an accusation is? It means I would accuse someone of something. Thaddeus Young being a fundamentally sound basketball player is not an accusation, you can complain about Thad's rebounds if you want(though I argue 5 RPG is about the average for a wing), you can complain about Thad's handles, which I've never contested were below average. But I don't think you can argue about Thad's impact on the court.

And I don't see how it's off-topic, one of the posters posted Billy King's thoughts on Thad being a 4,. I posted that I disagreed, and that Thad is a 3 and how fundamentally speaking, there aren't that many fundamental wing men. Ron Artest said as much and as such, it is easier for him to defend wing players.

We have since spoke under that discussion. It is not off-topic. Unfortunately, there's no PM option for members, sorry, but it was a decent conversation between two posters. Did it happen to involve Thad? Yes, but not in the sense of Thad VS Iguodala Ad Nauseum, but rather, what Thad can bring to the team.

I'm rather tired of you, of Kobb, calling me a "troll" and insisting I need your attention. Really? I think you and Kobb and others highly inflate yourselves, I don't need your attention and I'm certainly not engaging in troll behavior.

If TGP, if Sixerscan and if Dbods, determines I am engaging in troll behavior, I will never again utter Thad's name on this message board. And the minute I do so, I'm banned. I'll make that agreement.

[dbodner]

If TGP, if Sixerscan and if Dbods, determines I am engaging in troll behavior, I will never again utter Thad's name on this message board. And the minute I do so, I'm banned. I'll make that agreement.

that's the point of this thread, actually. It was created so you don't divert every thread into this debate.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Into what debate? I was speaking purely in the sense of fundamentals, and that there aren't that many fundamental wing players? You can go back into the pages and clarify that if you want. It was never an Iguodala VS Young discussion.


But as I said, you can prohbit me from ever using Young's name. Infact, if you so choose, this will be the last time.

[Negrodamus]

Thad and Speights for Favors is the deal I want to see happen...

If not, then Thad for Blair

If not, Thad and Speights for Andray Blatche (and it might even require more since he has become somewhat of a stud)

[Gsraider]

if thad is a 4..then you gotta move brand or speights...guess which one cant be moved because of that FAT contract

my feeling is kapono wont get you much and is a trade chip...if you can get a immediate contributing center...you do it for thad.

This could certainly be the case, but Philly doesn't really have to move Speights or Young just yet. Besides, after two more years, Philly will be able to trade Brand because his contract is expiring and possibly sooner if he plays well under Collins.

Like Westbrook (I believe) said, if the team can get a good player for Young than OK, but why trade him for a middling one?

[dbodner]

I'm not sold on Blatche. He's a knucklehead.

Thad and speights for favors is a pipe dream, as for Blair IMO.

[sixerfan1976]

if they dont like the return for thad they will move kapono i agree.

if it was me i would say to the league..one of these will be traded if its an offer we like and its a big man that comes back to us as part of the deal

Iguodala/Thad/Kapono

Unfortunately all I hear is Thad and Kapono is actually the message they are selling to others right now

and the only two years for brand to be an expiring seems AGES away

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

This is one of the reasons I think we needed a top-5 pick. Or hell, once you saw Whiteside slip, you had to take a chance. Clearly, he had character issues, but I think that he was humbled BIG TIME. And we should've then went in and got him.

Thad won't be very valuable to contending teams, because they don't have the young bigs that we'd like.


So if contending teams don't got what we want, would a rebuilding team have what we want? Maybe, but would they give it to us?

Iguodala on the other hand, is someone that contending teams are willing to pony up a little bit more for.

It's all about Rebuilding VS retooling. I say rebuild.

[Sixerscan]

Thad and speights for favors is a pipe dream, as for Blair IMO.

I'm fairly certain Blair's knees are going to catch up to him soon anyway

[Negrodamus]

I'm not sold on Blatche. He's a knucklehead.

Thad and speights for favors is a pipe dream, as for Blair IMO.

I think you put Blatche around a team that has familiar faces, a veteran to get in his ear (Brand), and you spread it out like we are going to do this year, he will have great numbers.. He is a freak talent. Collins would keep him in check and I think the team would to. He is one of the few big men in this league who has the ability to have a KG effect (triple double). We would have one of the most talented lineups in the East with him at C

PG- Holiday
SG- Turner
SF- Iguodala
PF- Brand
C- Blatche

That right there is a perfect blend of defense and offense. I'm not saying it wouldn't take work, but Blatche could see the opportunity presented to him (actually winning) and could suck it up and play good basketball.

[sem3376]

Stop overrating thad and speights! They are nice players not allstars and we need a center that can play alittle to split time with hawes or play in front of him and to get a starting quality big that can bang,score and block a few shots we will have to give up a good player and the only two players that we could afford to give up that wouldn't hurt us all that bad and bring back value are speights and young. To get value you have to give value! Our bigger need right now is the big and not those two. That's just the way it goes and its going to happen. One of them WILL GO so get used to it. But don't worry it will be for the betterment of the team.

[dbodner]

Thad and speights for favors is a pipe dream, as for Blair IMO.

I'm fairly certain Blair's knees are going to catch up to him soon anyway

And speights may not be on the team in 3 years

Pick your gamble.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

PG-Jrue Holiday PG-Chanucey Billups
SG-Evan Turner SG-Rip Hamilton
SF-Andre Iguodala SF- Tayshaun Prince
PF-Elton Brand PF-Rasheed Wallace
C-? C-Ben Wallace

We're missing that bruiser. But the kind of roster definately is looking very similar now. In Summer league, we need to see who can be that bruiser for us.

[Welfare Fraud]

So... the Sixers are very similar to the Piston's championship team, yet a few post backs you said the Sixers need to rebuild. Does not compute.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Well, I don't think Iguodala can play that specialist role that Prince played. I think Iguodala is really more of a Boris Diaw then a Tayshaun Prince.

But nevertheless, Turner fills a big need. And if Brand can get back to where he was. And/or if Speights jumps out of the gates and stays consistent.

That N'Diaye guy, did he get drafted?

[Negrodamus]

PG-Jrue Holiday PG-Chanucey Billups
SG-Evan Turner SG-Rip Hamilton
SF-Andre Iguodala SF- Tayshaun Prince
PF-Elton Brand PF-Rasheed Wallace
C-? C-Ben Wallace

We're missing that bruiser. But the kind of roster definately is looking very similar now. In Summer league, we need to see who can be that bruiser for us.

Jrue and Billups arent in the same sentence as of right now.

Andre Iguodala and Prince aren't very similar besides playing the same position and both are good at defense.

Brand and Wallace are actually nothing alike

Call me crazy, but I don't see the champion Pistons.

[sem3376]

Nobody does. Dedicated make a ton of post and he is entitled to his opinions but I rarely agree or know what he's talking about.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

1) I don't think you can look at stats. I think you have to look at the results on the floor. I don't think we win 27 games if we don't play Jrue Holiday. I think Jrue Holiday had a tremendous impact. He brought a deadly 3pt shooter on the floor, we badly needed that. He also brought a terrific defender and he made plays and he really made Iguodala better.

2) No, they're not, precisely why I said I don't want Iguodala. I perfer an off-the-ball 3. I perfer Young here

3) Well, Wallace is more of a 3pt shooter, but Brand, your hoping recaptures his form defensively and rebounding.

I never implied we were champions, I said we were starting to SHAPE UP in that direction.

I feel like it's damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I do say something positive, it's construed to be overblown. If I don't say anything positive, it'll be "Dedicated's a troll".