Chris Paul to Orlando?

[backasswards]

Who trades the best PG in the NBA for an expiring contract in June?

i guess an owner trying to cut down on salary so he can sell the franchise?

[Harry_Seaward]

Who trades the best PG in the NBA for an expiring contract in June?

i guess an owner trying to cut down on salary so he can sell the franchise?

Yeah...but an expiring contract does not expire until NEXT summer.

That's why expirings are a hot commodity during the trade deadline in the NBA season but not in the offseason.

Why take on Vince Carters corpse when the money won't come off the books for another year?

If the best they can get is what Orlando is offering and the expiring contract..you might as well hold off and see if they get better cost cutting offers throughout the summer into next season. More then likely that expiring will be an option until trade deadline.

[ComeAtMeBro]

Common misconception; Shinn is trying to trade Paul to save cap SO he can sell the team.

Here's why it's wrong; if Shinn were to sell the team, the minority owner would purchase the majority stake. The minority owner has already stated winning> money. If Paul were to be traded for cap purposes, the owner loses interest and Shinn cannot work a deal. If Shinn decides to KEEP the team, he would need to trade Paul or Okafor and Peja or Posey.

[No Offense]

As much as I love the Magic

If CP3 is traded there i will eat my shoe

disclaimer: The above statement is not legally binding.

I swore I would get a tattoo of naked Greg Oden on my forearm if this trade goes through.

This is playing out exactly like the Amare to Cleveland rumors from the past two trade deadlines. If it seems too good to be true and you're not the LA Lakers, it is.

[gold_leader64]

Really 11 pages on speculation not even a legite rumor?...cmon now

What is the difference between speculation and rumor...What is a "legit" rumor = ?Speculation?

Sometimes rumors actually have a factual basis, aka solid sources who are accurate. This is entirely baseless speculation with some online bloggers taking serious liberties with facts. It's no secret that Orlando wants Paul and made offers. That does NOT mean that the hornets are at all seriously considering trading Paul. Woj at Yahoo has made a ton of stuff up and the online community took it and ran with it and now everybody thinks NOLA is shopping Paul and that's not true at all. The organization said it's not true, management came out and said it's not true, and people need to stop making threads on every online link that anybody can make up.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Really 11 pages on speculation not even a legite rumor?...cmon now

What is the difference between speculation and rumor...What is a "legit" rumor = ?Speculation?

Sometimes rumors actually have a factual basis, aka solid sources who are accurate. This is entirely baseless speculation with some online bloggers taking serious liberties with facts. It's no secret that Orlando wants Paul and made offers. That does NOT mean that the hornets are at all seriously considering trading Paul. Woj at Yahoo has made a ton of stuff up and the online community took it and ran with it and now everybody thinks NOLA is shopping Paul and that's not true at all. The organization said it's not true, management came out and said it's not true, and people need to stop making threads on every online link that anybody can make up.

What GM doesn't hold his cards close to chest. I believe the exact opposite of what GM's say. If Orlando made offers and it's know that they want Paul then it is indeed not baseless. Wether the percentage is 0.1% or 1% is all specualtion on everyone's part.

[Harry_Seaward]

According to Chad Ford because the Hornets got rid of Mo Pete last night they are under the luxury tax threshold so that trading CP3 has become a dead issue.

[Optimus_Steel]

I really hope for the sake of the league this trade doesn't go through. I mean people here fantasize about what a combo Paul and Howard would be like. Unless you're the Celtics or Lakers, dreams aren't meant to come true.

Those 2 teams had their time, its time for another team to get a dream chance, why not the Magic.

[gold_leader64]

According to Chad Ford because the Hornets got rid of Mo Pete last night they are under the luxury tax threshold so that trading CP3 has become a dead issue.

lmao it was never a live issue.

[Cammo101]

According to Chad Ford because the Hornets got rid of Mo Pete last night they are under the luxury tax threshold so that trading CP3 has become a dead issue.

lmao it was never a live issue.

If Paul watched last nights draft it might become a live issue, because that team is garbage and going nowhere and they traded away the only player of the three they picked that could actually help them.

Who could blame Paul for wanting out. Cheap owners, bad GM, no talent around him.

[gold_leader64]

If Paul watched last nights draft it might become a live issue, because that team is garbage and going nowhere and they traded away the only player of the three they picked that could actually help them.

They traded a serviceable pick and a worthless vet for two potential bench contributors, and the hornets do need bench players. And as far as your "garbage" comment, just so you know, they probably would have made the playoffs if Paul was healthy all season long and Scott fired before the season. For god's sake, he was playing Bobby Brown over Thornton and Collison.

Who could blame Paul for wanting out. Cheap owners, bad GM, no talent around him.

Paul was recently asked about the trade speculation, and he said his primary desire is to stay with the hornets, as long as they are committed to winning. He wasn't happy after the Butler and Chandler trades, but the penny-pinching Shinn is on his way out.

[microfib4thewin]

I really hope for the sake of the league this trade doesn't go through. I mean people here fantasize about what a combo Paul and Howard would be like. Unless you're the Celtics or Lakers, dreams aren't meant to come true.

Those 2 teams had their time, its time for another team to get a dream chance, why not the Magic.

The Magic already have their chances, and they blew it on an overpaid Lewis, an over the hill VC, and wasted the money they saved from letting Hedo go for two backup players that barely plays. No one would feel sorry for the Magic if they couldn't pull off any good trades. They were already in a good position to restructure their team when they let go of TMac and drafted Dwight, and Otis Smith hasn't been doing his best job at keeping the payroll reasonable and has made questionable moves over the years.

[Super_Mario_3]

Otis Smith hasn't been doing a good job?

lol

where were you the past 2 years? iirc, we made it to the finals and conference finals. sure rashard had a huge contract, but nobody was complaining when he was hitting clutch shot after clutch shot against the cavs the previous year.

the VC move was a mistake, but it was a short-term fix rather than giving hedo a big contract at his age.

you complain about shard's contract but you're willing to give an older player a long contract?

what's your beef with otis? did he sleep with your wife or something?

[Bobbcats]

Hornets aren't in bad shape at all. They made some good moves last season that were drowned out by CP's injuries. During his healthy stretch mid-season they had a nice record something like 20-10.

If they're really under the lux tax they are looking pretty good. Okafor probably won't be any worse than last year when he missed camp and never got in a rhythm with Paul coming in and out of the lineup. Now they have hired a permanent coach and one of these days will officially have a new owner with deep pockets who most importantly isn't Shinn. And I wouldn't count out this draft being like last year's for them, both times they went after the 4 year "low potential" guys.

They have a good trading chip or backup PG in Collison, and IMO they have a 20ppg player in Thornton. Not the doom and gloom franchise that the rumor mills are painting it to be.

[microfib4thewin]

Otis Smith hasn't been doing a good job?

lol

where were you the past 2 years? iirc, we made it to the finals and conference finals. sure rashard had a huge contract, but nobody was complaining when he was hitting clutch shot after clutch shot against the cavs the previous year.

For one thing, the Magic could very well be eliminated in the 2nd round if KG was available last year. If Magic was eliminated by then that would be a second round exit and a conference final exit, looks much less impressive doesn't it? It wasn't like Otis was doing anything special in the last two years. They went from Detroit's punching bag to making the Finals because Dwight improved as a player, at best, you can credit him for bringing in Alston and drafting Lee, and neither moves are ones that can turn a team from a 2nd round exit to a championship contender.

And I didn't suggest the Magic should have kept Hedo at 10 mil a year, I am saying they should not have spent it on Bass and Gortat. It was doubtful if Bass would get significant playing time under SVG's 'everyone must shoot 3s' policy, and matching Dallas's MLE offer is a gigantic waste for someone who's talented but will only get 10-15 minutes of burn because Dwight is never injured. On the moves Otis overspent on the team didn't improve outside of getting Rashard, and there is an obvious disconnection between him and SVG to bring in a guy that doesn't fit the coach's philosophy. He didn't improve the team over the years, Dwight did.

[Super_Mario_3]

Otis Smith hasn't been doing a good job?

lol

where were you the past 2 years? iirc, we made it to the finals and conference finals. sure rashard had a huge contract, but nobody was complaining when he was hitting clutch shot after clutch shot against the cavs the previous year.

For one thing, the Magic could very well be eliminated in the 2nd round if KG was available last year. If Magic was eliminated by then that would be a second round exit and a conference final exit, looks much less impressive doesn't it? It wasn't like Otis was doing anything special in the last two years. They went from Detroit's punching bag to making the Finals because Dwight improved as a player, at best, you can credit him for bringing in Alston and drafting Lee, and neither moves are ones that can turn a team from a 2nd round exit to a championship contender.

And I didn't suggest the Magic should have kept Hedo at 10 mil a year, I am saying they should not have spent it on Bass and Gortat. It was doubtful if Bass would get significant playing time under SVG's 'everyone must shoot 3s' policy, and matching Dallas's MLE offer is a gigantic waste for someone who's talented but will only get 10-15 minutes of burn because Dwight is never injured. On the moves Otis overspent on the team didn't improve outside of getting Rashard, and there is an obvious disconnection between him and SVG to bring in a guy that doesn't fit the coach's philosophy. He didn't improve the team over the years, Dwight did.

IF VC didn't suck as much last season or IF he didn't regress as much compared to his last season in new jersey, we would have had back-to-back finals appearances. looks more impressive doesn't it? so stop using the IF scenarios.

Before Otis took over in 2006, we were a team struggling to make the playoffs. 8th seed material. And now, we are mentioned among the elite teams in the East.

Sure, Dwight is a big part of that. but don't discount what otis smith did to build a good team around dwight. 1 player's improvement alone does not make an 8th seed team to a championship contending team. see KG's string of first-round exits when he was with the twolves. if your telling me that we went from 8th seed to Finals material just because of dwight, then you don't know your basketball.

PS: if we didn't resign gortat and get bass, imagine what would have happened during all of the games that dwight was in foul trouble during the playoffs. maybe shard would have slid to 5 or we could have forced foyle to play.

[SadKingsFan]

I actually agree with him. When Dwight develops a post game and improves his passing abilities on the post, then I'll say he's better than CP3. But a healthy CP3 is better than the current Dwight Howard.

[microfib4thewin]

IF VC didn't suck as much last season or IF he didn't regress as much compared to his last season in new jersey, we would have had back-to-back finals appearances. looks more impressive doesn't it? so stop using the IF scenarios.

The only big dropoff VC had was in minutes, his PER 36 numbers are nearly identical from last year. This is not to say that's what his numbers would look like if he was playing 36 as opposed to 30 minutes this season, but his rate of production has not changed from last year, and there is no sharp decline whether you want to talk about raw stats like PPG per 36 or advanced stat like True shooting %. Vince playing much worse from last season is a myth.

As for the playoffs, the last time he had a great series was in 06 against the Heat. Counting on VC to step up in the postseason is a recognized risk. That's nowhere comparable to KG who led his team to a title prior to his injuries. Losing KG is a much bigger what if than how well Vince could have played in the playoffs.

Sure, Dwight is a big part of that. but don't discount what otis smith did to build a good team around dwight. 1 player's improvement alone does not make an 8th seed team to a championship contending team. see KG's string of first-round exits when he was with the twolves. if your telling me that we went from 8th seed to Finals material just because of dwight, then you don't know your basketball.

But what did Otis do in these last few years? Fine, he got Rashard, and although overpaid still helped the Magic out to become a good playoff team. After that? Traded Ariza for a useless Cook, and in turn traded the same Cook for Alston as a patch up job after Nelson went down. Sent away Lee for VC which is now recognized as a lateral trade because Lee was a better defender and not as ball reliant as VC. Both Bass and Gortat are bad signing.

PS: if we didn't resign gortat and get bass, imagine what would have happened during all of the games that dwight was in foul trouble during the playoffs. maybe shard would have slid to 5 or we could have forced foyle to play.

You mean against Charlotte? This is how many points Gortat got in that series:

Game 1 - 2, Game 2 - 2, Game 3 - 5, Game 4 - 6.

Bass played 1 minute in that series. You mean to tell me you couldn't sign some third string bigs with the LLE like POB or Mbenga that can play defense and score a basket per game? Bass and Gortat are certainly good players for their price tag, but all of that is meaningless when they only play 13 minutes a game and provide nothing on the offensive end for the Magic.

[Harry10]

It makes sense until the Hornets receive a million phone calls from other teams who can come up with better deals.

Hell, they don't even have to pay VC next season. Teams can offer their TE's. Don't you see how many teams are under the cap this season? They'll definitely forego of many other players and go after Paul if all the Hornets want to do is save money.

It comes down to...Chris Paul won't be traded. If he was, then they'll have to get a better offer... and Orlando just doesn't have enough outside of Dwight.

if you want a salary dump, then how about this: Jamal Crawford for Paul and Okafor.... bam!

[The SuperFreak]

Guys the trade can't even happen until July 1 anyways, that's when Paul is no longer a BYC player. Everybody just needs to calm down and wait.