Post Draft Trade with Hornets

[blueandgold]

Here's the deal and the line up for the 2010-2011 NBA season:

Pacers send to NO:

TJ Ford (exp) backup to CP3
Troy Murphy (exp) double/double to spread the floor
Brandon Rush (there outside threat @41% 3pt)

Pacers get:

Darren Collison (future PG for a playoff run and shot at the bigger things)
Omeka Okafor (played C, put in @ PF; The same idea of Gausol and Bynum or Odom who at times plays two centers)
James Posey (veteran, winner, defensive mindset for spread on the team; he and D. Jones would be out specialist)

I know we take on some $$; still have S. Jones, Foster and Dunleavy next year $18M. Enough to resign HIbbert and get another Mid Level Free Agent as necessary to fill in the GAPS.

PG Collison, Stephenson, Price (or a backup FA)
SG George, Dunleavy, D. Jones, Stephenson
SF Granger, Posey, D. Jones
PF Okefor, Hansbrough, McRoberts, Rolle
C Hibbert, Foster, Okefor, S. Jones

That's fifteen players. Two are non guaranted.

[greenway84]

I suggested somthing simalair. but remove ford and posey. We arent giving up 2 large exp contracts for collison, also as much as i dislike ford we have to have a backup pg. i would do the trade without ford and posey though. then we could swing ford MAYBE for felton

[Bit's]

I'd love that deal.

Okafor is the exact big man we need to put along Hibbert, the guy who does the dirty things, defends extremelly well and is OK in the offense (unfortunatelly he earns all star money).

But after the trade that NO gave Cole Aldrich and Mo Pete to the Thunder for a couple of late 1st round picks, they probably aren't looking to trade Darren Collison just to dump bad contracts like Posey and Okafor.

[8305]

Mixed feelings about this notion of Collison and Okafor for Rush and Murphy. Of all the point guard names being linked with the Pacers Collison is my favorite. But I wonder just how much contribution Okafor will make. Ultimately I expect Hibbert and Hansbrough to be the starting 4 and 5. That combined with the increased time devoted to a smaller more athletic lineup lineup would make Okafor one of the most under utilized high paid players in the league.

All that said, I beginning to wonder if this trade isn't pretty do able. It sounds like Murphy for Okafor would be pretty hudge for New Orleans and what they would like to do this off season. I also think Rush would be pretty good with a point guard like Pual getting him the ball.

[Pacersike]

I wouldn't immediately say no to a Murphy/Rush for Collison/Okafor deal.

Emeka is heavily overpaid but I think he'd be a good fit next to Hibbert. He is a good defender, an exceptionnal rebounder, athletic and he can score in the post. He would also be a terrific replacement for Hibbert in a smaller lineup.

Collison is definitely one of the more intriguing PG prospects who could be avalaible this summer.

It is that we need a PG at the beginning of season(training camp), because I'd hate to give up on Rush already. I wonder what he could bring with a decent PG and a better team around him.

[basketballwacko2]

I'd love that deal.

Okafor is the exact big man we need to put along Hibbert, the guy who does the dirty things, defends extremelly well and is OK in the offense (unfortunatelly he earns all star money).

But after the trade that NO gave Cole Aldrich and Mo Pete to the Thunder for a couple of late 1st round picks, they probably aren't looking to trade Darren Collison just to dump bad contracts like Posey and Okafor.

Bit's is back! Hey Bit's!


They might be willing to add Collison as a sweetener but you are right since they sent Mo Pete to the OKC they are not so under the gun to cut salary, but if they could get Murphy for Okafor and Rush for Collison they'd be saving huge money in the long run. Now I think if you add in TJ for Posey to this deal the Hornets take on about $3.5 million for this season, since they just dumped Pete to get out from under his deal I don't see them taking any salary.

So what we need to do is make two deals one where we unload a TJ or Dunleavy and save ourselves some cash on this year and then make a deal with someone like the Hornets and not add any salary to them.

[basketballwacko2]

Mixed feelings about this notion of Collison and Okafor for Rush and Murphy. Of all the point guard names being linked with the Pacers Collison is my favorite. But I wonder just how much contribution Okafor will make. Ultimately I expect Hibbert and Hansbrough to be the starting 4 and 5. That combined with the increased time devoted to a smaller more athletic lineup lineup would make Okafor one of the most under utilized high paid players in the league.

All that said, I beginning to wonder if this trade isn't pretty do able. It sounds like Murphy for Okafor would be pretty hudge for New Orleans and what they would like to do this off season. I also think Rush would be pretty good with a point guard like Pual getting him the ball.

I'm not sold on Hansbrough, I need to see him play, I think he has the talent to be a good contributor but if he is gonna be a starting PF he's gonna have to play and show me he can do it!

[mizzoupacers]

I don't think the Hornets are going to trade Collison. He's a good young player on a cheap contract. The only reason why New Orleans was considering trading him was because they were facing the luxury tax--adding Collison to Peja or Peterson might have convinced another team to take a big contract away from them. But they managed to dump Peterson on draft night without losing Collison. I'm sure that means no Collison trade, or at the very least that it's going to take one hell of an offer to get him.

[ardthomp]

I don't think the Hornets are going to trade Collison. He's a good young player on a cheap contract. The only reason why New Orleans was considering trading him was because they were facing the luxury tax--adding Collison to Peja or Peterson might have convinced another team to take a big contract away from them. But they managed to dump Peterson on draft night without losing Collison. I'm sure that means no Collison trade, or at the very least that it's going to take one hell of an offer to get him.

Agreed. Plus, they (hornets) picked up Craig Brackins and Quincy Pondexter in the draft, so there is your Murphy/Rush type players right there.

[greenway84]

Well if they arent looking to cut salary and they dont want a young sg, then what do they want. they seem like they are shopping collison for sure.

Im not trying to sound like a jerk. But Im tired of people saying Okafors contract is horrible and even with collison they wouldnt do it. I posted what turned out to be a bad source in bleacherreport.com that we would send Murphy, Rush, AND Hansbrough for Flynn who i dont like as much as collison, and Jefferson who i dont think fits as well next to hibbert and is paid as much and as long as okafor. Now I realize that the source turned out to be bogus, but most pacer fans thought we were getting a steal. i dont get it.

Flynn < Collison
Okafor = Jefferson contracts are equal, Al is a slight better player, Okafor fits better
Adding Hansbrough < Not adding Hansbrough

[IndyMac]

I don't really like this trade. It gets us the PG we need, but at too high a cost I think. And I mean literal cost, as in all the extra money owed to Okafor and Posey. Plus you lose most of the cap space you would have after next season and then give up Rush too. This just feels more like a trade for the sake of itself and not like the right trade the Pacers need to make for this season and the long term.

[8305]

Mixed feelings about this notion of Collison and Okafor for Rush and Murphy. Of all the point guard names being linked with the Pacers Collison is my favorite. But I wonder just how much contribution Okafor will make. Ultimately I expect Hibbert and Hansbrough to be the starting 4 and 5. That combined with the increased time devoted to a smaller more athletic lineup lineup would make Okafor one of the most under utilized high paid players in the league.

All that said, I beginning to wonder if this trade isn't pretty do able. It sounds like Murphy for Okafor would be pretty hudge for New Orleans and what they would like to do this off season. I also think Rush would be pretty good with a point guard like Pual getting him the ball.

I'm not sold on Hansbrough, I need to see him play, I think he has the talent to be a good contributor but if he is gonna be a starting PF he's gonna have to play and show me he can do it!

He definately needs to get on the floor and everyone is going to question him until then. But, I'm not sold on the idea of Okafor playing the 4 next to Hibbert either. If it didn't work we could be stuck with a really difficult to move.