George Hill - Getting extremely overrated...

[co_laper]

Now, I'd like to hear what you guys think of George Hill.

I think his series againts Dallas made him look extremely overrated now. I see guys in the general board and trade board looking at George Hill as some stud PG.

Let's see, he's not a dead-eye shooter. Heck, he's not even a good shooter yet. Most people who just knew him because of the Dallas series thinks otherwise thou. As a shooter, Hill is extremely streaky. As a 3 point shooter, he only has the corner 3 and while he's improved at it, it's not like he's GREAT at it. Other spots on the floor and you know it's misses. That's talking about his shooting. It's why he's inconsistent on the scoring end.

Passing, no way. He's not a true PG and IMO his court vision is very limited. He's not a guy who can create for others and his Ballhandling skills is just average. I have yet to see him shake and bake a guy or anything. Most of his drives come from pick and roles and he's at his best if he attacks the rim. And again, let's not make his finishing ability like Tony Parker's. When he's on the floor with either Manu or Parker, most of the time, they're the one creating. Not Hill.

Defensively, I think he's one of our better defenders but come on, the kid isn't Rondo. He takes the challange defensively (which is good) because when he's on the floor with Manu or Parker, they're the one who's carrying the load offensively. If Hill doesn't take the challange defensively, there's no way he's gonna get any floor time. Stopping Kidd was a team effort because you shut down the Mavs running game and Kidd becomes more of a spot up shooter in the halfcourt game. George Hill wasn't the one who stopped the Mavs from running. Againts someone who could create (Nash), Hill got torched to death. By league standard, there's no way George Hill's defense is anything but average or just slightly above average.

Honestly, I really don't think trading Parker is a good idea. But with the hype George Hill is starting to get, hell, now I feel trading George Hill is a great idea especially if his value is skyrocketing this way.

[SApuro_]

I agree that George Hill's value right now is sky high. He might be a little overrated but there is some truth to all the hype.

First the kid is young, athletic, and teams can get him on the cheap.

He improved greatly from yr 1 to 2. He has a great work ethic and very coachable.

The biggest thing is his huge upside. This kid could easily blow up in yr 3 or 4 and go from good to great. He has that potential.

I don't want to see TP traded but you have to pick and chose your battles. Manu sells tickets we needed to resign him. Hill can pick up the slack if TP is traded. I wish we had the bank roll of the Lakers or Knicks but we have to face it we are a small market team. We rely on the draft and vet mins for plugging holes.

[co_laper]

I don't deny he's young, athletic, and cheap.

I mean, you look at Hill's improvement and what's really obvious?

First of all, this year he's more confident. First year was a learning experience, getting used to the rules, the team system, and all that. This year he's able to just play and that produces playing time because well, our backcourt outside of Manu and Parker just wasn't that good at all.

Second, he earned it his time playing defense. It's obvious that we need someone who focuses on defense on in the perimeter alongside Parker or Manu, which is one of the reason we don't start both of them (the other being firepower off the bench). At one point, we even started Bogans but he didn't bring enough offense to the team especially since our only ballhandlers were Manu and Parker.

Third, well I guess he added the corner 3 point shot.

Now, I honestly am thankful that he improved in his sophomore year, but I find it hard to expect the same kind of Leap in his 3rd year. Confidence and defense are something that you get better at with experience. As far as adding stuff to his game, I didn't notice much of anything other than his corner 3.

So what can you expect in his 3rd year?

If his defense was a 6 in a 1-10 scale by league standard, then I expect it to stay at 6 or go to 7. Shooting, he may get a little better, but it's not really hard to tell that Hill will not be a "shooter". Maybe later on in his career when he's 30 or something, but that's not gonna happen by his 3rd year. At this point, I really don't know what to expect more from George Hill.

His value is skyhigh... if GMs actually like Hill the way this site does, his value won't be higher than it is right now.

[Blame Rasho]

Yeah... I think he is overrated by some. He is a good player. A starter worthy guy but I don't think he is special talent. He is a good asset that I wouldn't mind trading if the right offer came around.

I don't think he will ever be at Tony's level. People forget that Tony was a 22/7 guy two years ago. He was just hobbled this past year and I am sure that in his contract year he will prove his worth to everyone.

[Frankie23]

Well, Manu a year ago was a retired player and now is easyly a top5 SG..
Parker has a Final's MVP, did great in 2008, but spend a lot of this season injured and all trades rumors were to trade him for average overpaid players..
Hill did great ag Dallas and now is the PG of the future.

People and media tend to think this way very much.

The most important thing of George Hill is that he showed a pretty good personality to take over some big games. That's one of the most underestimated skills in NBA IMO.

[Donald Kaufman]

Yeah, he's def overrated now. We were spoiled by his play in the Mavs series, then came back to earth after the Suns series. But he did improve so much from his rookie year to last year, and his confidence grew after he got more minutes when Tony went down. I think Pop feel in love with him a bit, and let him make some mistakes.

I think it's a mistake to trade Tony to make way for him, though I know I've campaigned for this not too long ago. But I wonder whether Hill will be happy being a backup for the next few years, because Parker has got plenty left in the tank.

[tbdog]

He isn't overrated, he is who is. Solid role player. He is not ready to lead a championship team at the point. Thats why we should keep Parker unless Paul is given to us in return. Hill is not ready.

[SApuro_]

Overrated or not he is a wonderful piece at the 26th spot in the draft. RC and Pop put their balls on the line drafting this kid and he hasn't disappointed.

Great Value since still on his Rookie salary.

[Jerry Maine]

I agree, now is the time to listen to offers, his trade value may never be higher.

But on the other hand he's a good fit for you guys too, good insurance policy as Parker has tended to miss games the last few years and Hill can fill in for him, great backup on a rookie deal the rest of the time, knows the system and has shown to be a "Pop" type player.

Tough call, but either way, as SApuro pointed out, nice grab with the 26th.

[Donald Kaufman]

You know what I think is overrated? Saying that George Hill is overrated. Like Blair, we're fortunate we landed a player of his caliber so late in the draft. We've screamed for a competent backup for TP for years, and now that we finally have one, we're bitching. After years of enduring Jacque Vaughn, Beno Udrih and Damon "Mighty Mouse" Stoudamire, I for one am glad to have some quality talent on the bench.

[co_laper]

Not sure if our definition of overrated is the same here.

By overrated, I mean that his performance againts Dallas made "Fans" around the league thinks he's some superstud. One easy example, George Hill had a hot shooting series againts Dallas where he made shots from the corner 3 and midrange jumpers from the FT line. All of us here who follow George Hill knows he's not a "shooter". But guess what? You'll be surprised to see how many guys in this website who thinks George Hill is a shooter, a PG (because of that one play where he waved off Manu who asked for the ball during a critical possession), and a stud defensive PG (Shutdown Kidd).

Now, all of the sudden you see trade threads where we trade Parker away for role players and guess what is one of their biggest reasons for that trade? To make way for George Hill.

I'm glad these fans aren't real NBA GMs, but there's no denying that Hill got some serious publicity in this year's playoff and that guys left and right who don't know him suddenly make judgements based on what they see in Dallas series and in the articles.

That's what I mean by overrated.

[Donald Kaufman]

Yeah I get what you mean. If someone plays well in a playoff series - when it actually means something - they tend to get overvalued.

Look at Parker's 2nd pro year. 2002-03. He got pulled for Speedy Claxton in the Finals. He was infuriating to watch at times. He was so inconsistent. There were flashes of what we see now but they were few and far between. I'm sure Pop almost gave up on him.

Hill's 2nd year was a vast improvement on his rookie year. He improved so much and looked more sure of himself in pressure situations. Like TP, he was inconsistent and made some boneheaded decisions at times. But overall his play was enough to get Spurs fans pumped for the future.

[tbdog]

Parker was sick during the nets Final.

[Blame Rasho]

Yeah I get what you mean. If someone plays well in a playoff series - when it actually means something - they tend to get overvalued.

Look at Parker's 2nd pro year. 2002-03. He got pulled for Speedy Claxton in the Finals. He was infuriating to watch at times. He was so inconsistent. There were flashes of what we see now but they were few and far between. I'm sure Pop almost gave up on him.

Hill's 2nd year was a vast improvement on his rookie year. He improved so much and looked more sure of himself in pressure situations. Like TP, he was inconsistent and made some boneheaded decisions at times. But overall his play was enough to get Spurs fans pumped for the future.

Tony was 20 years old in the Finals in his 2nd year in the NBA

Hill is 24...At 24, Tony was a 19/6 shooting 52% allstar point guard for a championship team.

Hill doesn't have this high ceiling... he is what he is and most likely we have seen the best of his ability. There isn't allstar potential for him. He is just a starter worthy guard that comes off the bench.

[Lakeshow2417]

he isn;t be overrated if he keeps improving year to year

[lakers16xchamps]

No he's not overrated he just didn't play great in the playoffs. But it was his first playoffs.

[Donald Kaufman]

It was his 2nd playoff appearance. He played very well vs Dall and came back to earth in the WC semis.

[Frankie23]

Also, he played well cause he score well, not because he was a great PG who create for others.
Well, Tony isn't like that either, but..

Hill is a really good player, but not that all star caliber that make high to a lot of people. He will be a very important part in our team, but not the future of it..Not that we can trade Tony for 2 role players cause we have THE great back up with Hill..

[emusic213]

Pop likes too much, thats why he started over parker. i personally like Parker's style of play and i believe he is a better fit for the spurs

[co_laper]

I don't think that's the reason we start Hill. I recall we start Hil because Parker was injured (before it was Parker WITH Hill at SG) and then Spurs went on a nice run with Manu starting and Hill as a PG so the Spurs decide to stick with it when Parker came back because it was already known from early in the season that Parker won't be 100% because he has plantar Fascitiis and that it's likely to bother him through out the season.

Honestly thou, I really want Parker, Manu, and TD starts together. I think they need more time together on the floor. Get some offensive punch on the bench from someone else. Even Boston with Ray, Pierce, and Garnett can get that sparkplug from guys like Nate and Eddie House. Sometimes it almost makes me feel as if Manu and Parker can't play together or something.