Relpay or not to replay?

[FAB0L0US]

Disclaimer: This is the first World Cup I can really remember. I was to young for the other ones to really register in my brain. I saw them... but it went in the eyes and out the brain after the game.

The refereeing at the World Cup has been... not good at best. Fouls called on no fouls, missed elbows, shoddy offsides calls, undeserved reds thrown around, etc. I would say the refereeing has been very uneven from game to game. The communication barrier between many of the players and the referees probably contributed to this but it doesnt explain or make these mistakes acceptable. But it would be very hard to fix these mistakes while still maintaining the continuity of a game. Perhaps add more officials?

Anyways, the Frank Lampard goal missed by the officials is clearly unacceptable and easily could be fixed by the technology we have now. Video replays clearly showed the ball went in and the offical missed a VERY important call. Two goals in two shots to tie the game 2-2 would have drastically changed the momentum of the game.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNE48UTRcm0[/youtube]

My opinion is that video replays should clearly fix this situation and should be implemented by FIFA. FIFA saying they want to preserve the "human element" is bunk. I dont want to see the "human element" ruin a game because the human element is incapable of making the right calls. Im not saying it was an easy call by the official, but he messed up, big time. Lampard scored and he missed it. Messing up a call like this ruins a game and possibly ruins a teams World Cup chances. That is not fair. The "human element" should never ruin a game when we have technology that could easily fix this situation. It is stupid and old fashioned, in my opinion, to argue otherwise.

Implementing video replay would be very easy here too. Its not like this is a tough call. Some guy upstairs could easily phone down to the center ref that they scored and, BAM, thats it. England gets credit for a goal.

Opinions?

[Mirjalovic]

no replay.

but if see replay implemented in soccer, FIFA should restrict how many you can see the video, like once or twice max in one match.

[cb4_89]

Of course. I think instant replay should be brought into every sport. I think basketball/hockey/football are fine as they are with the replay system they have.

I think baseball needs to have replays for out or not out as well as moving into a computerized system which tells if it is a strike or ball.

With soccer, I think they should review all goals/near goals for things like what happened today as well as offsides and hand balls and tackles that bring penalties.

I also think that coaches should have a challenge like they do in football as well so things like Kaka's red card are taken away and that Ivory Coast player gets a yellow. That would destroy flopping.

[Sleepy]

I don't really like the idea of replays and appeals. The FIFA wants the game to be with as few breaks as possible. Having the replay would also mean stopping the clock, and that's exactly the opposite to what the FIFA is looking for. Additionally, you would need to define what situations will get reviewed, and that gives the ref the same power (and problems) that he has now.
Take the third German goal today... it looked like (I think) Khedira stopped the freekick with his hand, but out of that situation the counterattack developed and in the end the goal. Should the ref stop the game there? Should he let the Germans score, then review it and then decide whether to allow or disallow the German goal? The FIFA feels, and I agree, that it's best to rely on the judgement of the ref there instead of shifting the very same problems to the review process.

What I think will get implemented real soon is the chip inside the ball. A tiny computer-chip that sends a signal to the ref when the ball crosses the line. No need to review, but no more wrong calls. The system could also be extended to chip-in-the-boot, where the position of ever player gets measured in real time to help decide with offside decisions. The implementation of these solution is probably a few years away, but it'll come.

[cb4_89]

I don't really like the idea of replays and appeals. The FIFA wants the game to be with as few breaks as possible. Having the replay would also mean stopping the clock, and that's exactly the opposite to what the FIFA is looking for. Additionally, you would need to define what situations will get reviewed, and that gives the ref the same power (and problems) that he has now.
Take the third German goal today... it looked like (I think) Khedira stopped the freekick with his hand, but out of that situation the counterattack developed and in the end the goal. Should the ref stop the game there? Should he let the Germans score, then review it and then decide whether to allow or disallow the German goal? The FIFA feels, and I agree, that it's best to rely on the judgement of the ref there instead of shifting the very same problems to the review process.

What I think will get implemented real soon is the chip inside the ball. A tiny computer-chip that sends a signal to the ref when the ball crosses the line. No need to review, but no more wrong calls. The system could also be extended to chip-in-the-boot, where the position of ever player gets measured in real time to help decide with offside decisions. The implementation of these solution is probably a few years away, but it'll come.

Isn't it just much easier to use instant replays than to do all of that? It seems so complicated to do all of that.

[Munchlaxatives]

Instant replay for goals seems fine with me.

[FAB0L0US]

What I think will get implemented real soon is the chip inside the ball.

I was thinking about that but I didnt know if it would unbalance the ball or not. Probably not since they can probably make it pretty small.

Im not sure FIFA is ready to mess with a ball again after how much complaining has been done about this Jabulani ball though.

[Sleepy]

Instant replays create a whole bunch of problems. The FIFA might be a bunch of stupid, incompetent old farts, but it's not like this discussion hasn't been done before.

The FIFA, obviously, wants the ref to have the least possible effect on the game. Allowing replays gives him a) the decision WHEN to issue such a replay and b) the decision on the play itself. It enlarges his impact on the game, which is the main reason why the FIFA is stalling against the replay.

The less the ref has to decide, the better. Get him help with the decisions, but don't let him take over the game. Is the instant replay from American Football a role model for soccer refs? The FIFA doesn't think so and I can understand that. Something has to change, but interrupting the game to review decisions is the wrong approach. The refs need to make the right decisions in the first place, and the chip-in-ball is, imho, the best way to help this.

[magik9113]

only on goals.

[Sleepy]

What I think will get implemented real soon is the chip inside the ball.

I was thinking about that but I didnt know if it would unbalance the ball or not. Probably not since they can probably make it pretty small.

Im not sure FIFA is ready to mess with a ball again after how much complaining has been done about this Jabulani ball though.

As far as I know, the ball gets replaced every four years and a new ball with a similar stupid name takes the stage. 2006 it was called Teamgeist. (And there was also much fuzz that the handling wasn't right...)

EDIT: All the balls since 1930...

[Batu7]

Replay. Or at least a chip like Sleepy said.

I'd prefer an additional ref watching the game on television who has contact with the main ref in games, but that would be really hard to adjust and it would **** up the flow of the game.

[FAB0L0US]

The FIFA, obviously, wants the ref to have the least possible effect on the game. Allowing replays gives him a) the decision WHEN to issue such a replay and b) the decision on the play itself. It enlarges his impact on the game, which is the main reason why the FIFA is stalling against the replay.

Make the rules for when a ref (maybe a 5th referee up in the press box with TV's to watch?) very defined then so their is no grey area for the officials. Like only can they do something if there has been no whistle (US goal against Slovenia still not allowed) and the missed call by the ref directly either allows an undeserved goal or misses an undeserved goal. Dont even stop play, let them keep going. But stop play and allow a goal if a goal is deserved or take away a goal if undeserved and just do a drop ball between where the box is and the center line.

If chips can go in the ball and shoes, however, I am all for that. That would probably eliminate 95% of the trash stupid calls by officials. That would be nice to see.

[UGA Hayes]

REally if Hockey which has damn near the exact same format as soccer with almost no stoppages and is a million times quicker in real time can effectively use replay on goals than Soccer has no exscuse.

[AdamTheGreek]

If it's used only to decide goals, this shouldn't be an issue and would be an easy implementation.

[demens]

I dont understand what kind of moron would not want instant replay. And yes, its meant to offend you if you are that moron.

Put in proper rules and guidelines about it and noone will even notice they use video replays...except for you know, getting the call right and all.

[Foye]

REally if Hockey which has damn near the exact same format as soccer with almost no stoppages and is a million times quicker in real time can effectively use replay on goals than Soccer has no exscuse.

This.

[Point forward]

100% yes, but I would limit it to goals. Using video replay to decide on red cards is arguable, but using it to argue yellow cards or even corners or free kicks would just strangle the flow of the game.

[and1GS]

I think it should be used just for goals. You could have an impartial 3rd party watching the play upstairs and relaying the results in to the ref and it wouldn't even slow the match.

[bballcool34]

Instant replay on goals is a must. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.

[Slava]

Wouldn't goal line technology be sufficient like in Hockey?