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Post#1 » by GhostRaider2007 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:14 am

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Rockets may make run at Bosh, Johnson
By JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2010 Houston Chronicle
June 27, 2010, 7:33PM

Despite some foreboding signs, the Rockets do not consider themselves out of the free agency fight before throwing their first punch.

Amid indications Toronto Raptors forward Chris Bosh will seek to join another top free agent on a team with cap space, a person with knowledge of the Rockets’ thinking said Houston is confident it will be in the running and is considering seeking another enticement.

The individual familiar with the Rockets’ thinking said Houston could attempt to give Bosh a chance to sign with an All-Star guard by making a run at Hawks guard Joe Johnson.

Bosh on Saturday told the Miami Herald that the Miami Heat, with Dwyane Wade, would be in "top contention" for his services. He also is expected to receive strong recruiting pitches from the Chicago Bulls and New York Knicks, who will try to get him along with the Cavaliers’ LeBron James.

Last week, Bosh seemed to tie his own decision to James’ when he said nothing will happen until James picks a team, a sign that Bosh might seek to join forces with the Cleveland star.

If the Rockets seek to land Johnson, a starter in the 2010 All-Star Game and a teammate of Bosh’s on the 2006 World Championships team, it would require a second sign-and-trade deal in addition to a deal for Bosh. That would likely have to involve guard Kevin Martin, and the team is unsure whether it would want to give up Martin to get Johnson.

Teams may begin talking to free agents and their representatives at 11 p.m. Central on Wednesday. The Knicks are expected to meet with Johnson in Los Angeles Wednesday night on Johnson’s 29th birthday.

James is expected to begin meeting with various teams' representatves on Thursday. There were various reports over the weekend that James and Bosh are "a done deal to go to Chicago;" that James is leaning to the Nets and that James still prefers to play for the Knicks.

Those teams are also certain to make James their top priority, with Miami’s emphasis on keeping Wade. In addition to Bosh, the Heat could be in the running for Suns forward Amar’e Stoudemire or Jazz forward Carlos Boozer.

The Raptors and Rockets are the teams that seem to covet Bosh the most. Bosh, however, is expected to begin the process by visiting with teams with cap room, a move that is dangerous to the Rockets’ chances but could help if he does not make a decision before the Rockets make their pitch.

By starting with the teams that can sign him without a sign-and-trade deal, Bosh could pressure the Raptors to make the best of losing him by coming to an agreement with the sort of sign-and-trade arrangement the Rockets will need.

If he remains unsure, the Rockets could also benefit by meeting with Bosh relatively late in the process, providing more time to tailor their overtures through the process before making their presentation.

They are, however, not going to wait to begin making their case to him. That will begin Wednesday night with the team over the next few days putting the finishing touches on its proposal, possibly to include the pursuit of another All-Star.
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Post#2 » by HMFFL » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:46 am

A combination of expiring contracts; Jared Jeffries, Shane Battier, and the New York draft pick swap option for Joe Johnson? It allows you to focus on moving other players to (Kevin Martin?) make Joe Johnson fit.

I predicted at the trade deadline that Chris Bosh would become a Rocket this off-season, but with the recent Miami & New York rumors, I doubt it happens.
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Post#3 » by Aaron Brooks » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:23 am

HMFFL wrote:A combination of expiring contracts; Jared Jeffries, Shane Battier, and the New York draft pick swap option for Joe Johnson? It allows you to focus on moving other players to (Kevin Martin?) make Joe Johnson fit.

I predicted at the trade deadline that Chris Bosh would become a Rocket this off-season, but with the recent Miami & New York rumors, I doubt it happens.


Then we wouldn't have enough contracts to match salaries in a trade with Bosh, I don't see JJ happening, he is an iso jumpshooter, gets to the line 3.5 times a game, not a Morey type of player.
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Post#5 » by College Boy » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:52 am

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Post#6 » by GhostRaider2007 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:25 am

HMFFL wrote:A combination of expiring contracts; Jared Jeffries, Shane Battier, and the New York draft pick swap option for Joe Johnson? It allows you to focus on moving other players to (Kevin Martin?) make Joe Johnson fit.


I don't think that is what the article is inferring. The point of acquiring Johnson would be to entice Bosh into coming to Houston. To get Johnson they would have to deal Martin (as the article points out) as well as some others to make the salaries match to acquire him.

They would then do the speculated deal with Toronto which would probably be comprised of the Jefferies, Battier,and NY picks package.

That is more than likely as to how things would pan out.

Question is who would be left after both S&Ts?
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Post#7 » by Ribalding » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:32 am

College Boy wrote:
Ribalding wrote:***new thread idea fermenting***


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It's up. New thread. With betting. And humiliation.
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Post#8 » by The Franchise_ » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:11 am

I would rather miss out on both than to pay JJ max money, and lose young assets. Besides, Kevin Martin gives you 90% of what you would get from Johnson for about 6 million a year less, and is better at getting to the line. We already have a good team next year as is, so why sell the farm for two second tier players? I think we would be better served doing a S&T for Chandler at about 4 years 32 million (year 4 being a team option), and trying to get Rudy Gay in a S&T as well (using expirings, young talent, and a pick) at about 12 Million per (near max for his contract). We could even use the TPE from the Martin trade plus a future second rounder to get Rudy Fernandez from Portland to take care of our backup shooting guard position.

Yao/Chandler/Hayes (Jeffries gone in trade)
Scola/PP (Hill gone in trade)
Gay/Ariza (Budinger/Battier gone in trade)
Martin/Fernandez/Taylor
Brooks/Lowry

Seeing as all of those players seem more than willing to get away from there respective teams, I think this is an actual possibility. This costs use less than a Bosh deal alone, and fills in areas of need. Not ideal, but it would vastly improve our athleticism, scoring, bench and interior defense. Hell, what am I saying? That may actually be ideal!!
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Post#9 » by Ribalding » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:29 am

The Franchise_ wrote:I would rather miss out on both than to pay JJ max money, and lose young assets. Besides, Kevin Martin gives you 90% of what you would get from Johnson for about 6 million a year less, and is better at getting to the line.


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Post#10 » by moofs » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:46 pm

^ yup
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Post#11 » by MaxRider » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:06 pm

Ribalding wrote:
The Franchise_ wrote:I would rather miss out on both than to pay JJ max money, and lose young assets. Besides, Kevin Martin gives you 90% of what you would get from Johnson for about 6 million a year less, and is better at getting to the line.


+10

problem with KM is his health

what we can do is Jeffries+Battier-or-Ariza+Hill (if Toronto still want him) for Bosh and Martin+Andersen (i don't know if Atlanta wants him back)

if salary don't match we can sign-and-trade Brian Cook and Hilton Armstrong for a non-guaranteed contract, he's getting free money he's not going to reject

most likely we will get none of them
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Post#12 » by LarsV8 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:41 pm

If we can get JJ, then I say just get him and him only to stick at the three alongside Martin.
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Post#13 » by The Franchise_ » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:45 pm

MaxRider wrote:
Ribalding wrote:
The Franchise_ wrote:I would rather miss out on both than to pay JJ max money, and lose young assets. Besides, Kevin Martin gives you 90% of what you would get from Johnson for about 6 million a year less, and is better at getting to the line.


+10

problem with KM is his health

what we can do is Jeffries+Battier-or-Ariza+Hill (if Toronto still want him) for Bosh and Martin+Andersen (i don't know if Atlanta wants him back)

if salary don't match we can sign-and-trade Brian Cook and Hilton Armstrong for a non-guaranteed contract, he's getting free money he's not going to reject

most likely we will get none of them


Is his health really a problem though? He's had injuries, but nothing ever chronic or career threatening. He had a sprained ankle and was misdiagnosed by the Kings doctors which made him miss twice as much time as he should have and he's had a broken wrist (something I don't see happening again in his career). When you think about it, even his shoulder injury this year could be attributed to him not being able to lift weights all season because of the broken wrist (signifigant lose of strength in all upper body muscles). He has even mentioned not feeling as strong because of it, but that he was going to train hard this summer and add 10 lbs. of muscle to be ready for the upcoming season. I just think it's better for the team to keep a well conditioned KMart at 12-13 million per, than to swap him for a minimal return in Johnson for 18-20 million per and lose assets in the process.
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Post#14 » by MaxRider » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:17 pm

KM missed at least 20 games in the last 3 seasons
with Yao uncertain about his health
do you want your 2nd option being the same?
we been through Yao and T-Mac already
i don't want another sequel
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Post#15 » by rocketsballin » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:33 pm

here's something that i never expected morey to say

H: Daryl Morey joining us. How many contengencies...when you deal on the FA front this year, how many contingencies do you have? Set number?

DM: Yeah we have 6 right now. Contingencies zero as we're happy with the team we have. Think we have a playoff team, can push for homecourt advantage. We are trying to do better and we're chasing some of the guys reported. I think that might get us to the favorites for the title, obviously we're not right now. 6 major plans we're targeting to do at this point.


http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=188555

i hope by that he meant the current roster cant contend. and i dont think we can. playoffs definitely, but nothing past wcf. an all offense-little defense as our best lineup wont do good on the defensive end at the end of the game
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Post#16 » by MaxRider » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:51 pm

roxfashoballin wrote:here's something that i never expected morey to say

H: Daryl Morey joining us. How many contengencies...when you deal on the FA front this year, how many contingencies do you have? Set number?

DM: Yeah we have 6 right now. Contingencies zero as we're happy with the team we have. Think we have a playoff team, can push for homecourt advantage. We are trying to do better and we're chasing some of the guys reported. I think that might get us to the favorites for the title, obviously we're not right now. 6 major plans we're targeting to do at this point.


http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=188555

i hope by that he meant the current roster cant contend. and i dont think we can. playoffs definitely, but nothing past wcf. an all offense-little defense as our best lineup wont do good on the defensive end at the end of the game

he's speaking the truth
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Post#17 » by rocketsballin » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:42 pm

he better, for the sake of yao's last season to be a 1st or 2nd option. already wasted tmacs career, dont wanna do another superstar :(
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Post#18 » by Moreyball » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:46 am

I think Morey needs to stop listening to fans so much.

Bringing truckloads of fans to a free agent meeting, sounds awful. I would be so put off if I was Bosh.
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Post#19 » by Fast_Feets » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:58 am

It better be a truckload of the hottest girls in Houston in swimsuits and sexy clothes!!!
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Post#20 » by Rocketsfan713 » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:21 am

Moreyball wrote:I think Morey needs to stop listening to fans so much.

Bringing truckloads of fans to a free agent meeting, sounds awful. I would be so put off if I was Bosh.


Yeah, especially since we have no shot at the big free agents.
I like the fact that we have dedicated fans who wanted to make the road trips, but still.

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