Surprised to see not one made on this board but I'll start it off with a link to the measurements and practices.
Notes from the practices: http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlreport.htm
Measurements and Weigh-in: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/weighin.html
2008 Senior Bowl Thread
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2008 Senior Bowl Thread
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when is the senior bowl?
Saturday afternoon. Its on the NFL Network.
What is going on with Matt Ryan?
Did he get injured or something.
He pulled out as did Dorsey, both Long's, and Jeff Otah. In most years, a lot of top Senior prospects don't really participate in all-star games. Brohm, Carlson, Steltz, and Groves pulled out because of injury or illness.
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A skinny summary of the first two days:
Best overall player--Sedrick Ellis, completely unblockable and showing incredible strength for such a light DT
Best QB--Joe Flacco, never stops looking downfield and throws a real catchable ball. He's getting Cutler-like buzz
Best CB--Tracy Porter. WRs on the North are literally trying to get out of line to not have to face him in one-on-one drills. In the last 7-on-7 drill he didn't allow a completion on 4 attempts thrown his way.
Stock rising:
Jordy Nelson, for flashing strength and good hands. He planted Tribble off a jam and also threw a nasty block
Kory Lichtensteiger, for lifting Andre Fluellen off the ground and carrying him backwards on a run block. Best run-blocking interior OL in Mobile, but his pass blocking is real suspect--think Manny Ramirez last year
Jordon Dizon, drawing some Zach Thomas comparisons, extraordinary instincts and instantaneous play diagnosis, and he fared better than expected in coverage. He's real small though.
Thomas DeCoud, perhaps making a case to be the #2 safety, showing good all around but nothing spectacular
Andre Fluellen, looking like he can be a devastating pass-rushing 3-4 DE. The Browns scouts sure think so. Showing very good 3-technique potential.
Matt Forte, this year's Brian Leonard but faster than him.
Phillip Wheeler, shedding blockers like chicks naemd Jasmine shed their tops, and showing consistent thump on his hits. Back in the 1st round mix.
Dorien Bryant, drawing a lot of Anthony Gonzalez comparisons. He spent at least 15 minutes talking to the 49ers offensive staff after practice.
Chad Henne, thriving as expected when not facing blitzes or being forced to move. The Drew Bledsoe comparisons are quite valid, though Henne has a bigger arm but a little less chutzpah
Falling:
ONeil Cousins, getting beat by a variety of moves by a variety of guys. Looks very static off the snap.
DeJuan Tribble, the corner that every WR wants to see lined up against him, quickly earning the unfortunate nickname "Poster". He's the only guy Adarius Bowman can beat.
Dantrelle Savage, not showing a lot of burst or toughness.
Beau Bell, who got hurt but wasn't showing requisite range beforehand
Barry Richardson, and I quote a GM: "Being fat, slow, and apparently not caring about it does not endear him to me"
Tashard Choice, looks like "just another back"
Andre Woodson, twice he threw the ball behind fast WRs when a good throw would have been a big play. If his primary read isn't there he's dead meat. Drawing unfavorable comparisons to, as one scout told me, " a cross between all 4 NFC North QBs". Considering 3 of those 4 guys essentially stink, that's not boding well for Woodson.
None of the kickers or punters has done anything to merit draft consideration.
Best overall player--Sedrick Ellis, completely unblockable and showing incredible strength for such a light DT
Best QB--Joe Flacco, never stops looking downfield and throws a real catchable ball. He's getting Cutler-like buzz
Best CB--Tracy Porter. WRs on the North are literally trying to get out of line to not have to face him in one-on-one drills. In the last 7-on-7 drill he didn't allow a completion on 4 attempts thrown his way.
Stock rising:
Jordy Nelson, for flashing strength and good hands. He planted Tribble off a jam and also threw a nasty block
Kory Lichtensteiger, for lifting Andre Fluellen off the ground and carrying him backwards on a run block. Best run-blocking interior OL in Mobile, but his pass blocking is real suspect--think Manny Ramirez last year
Jordon Dizon, drawing some Zach Thomas comparisons, extraordinary instincts and instantaneous play diagnosis, and he fared better than expected in coverage. He's real small though.
Thomas DeCoud, perhaps making a case to be the #2 safety, showing good all around but nothing spectacular
Andre Fluellen, looking like he can be a devastating pass-rushing 3-4 DE. The Browns scouts sure think so. Showing very good 3-technique potential.
Matt Forte, this year's Brian Leonard but faster than him.
Phillip Wheeler, shedding blockers like chicks naemd Jasmine shed their tops, and showing consistent thump on his hits. Back in the 1st round mix.
Dorien Bryant, drawing a lot of Anthony Gonzalez comparisons. He spent at least 15 minutes talking to the 49ers offensive staff after practice.
Chad Henne, thriving as expected when not facing blitzes or being forced to move. The Drew Bledsoe comparisons are quite valid, though Henne has a bigger arm but a little less chutzpah
Falling:
ONeil Cousins, getting beat by a variety of moves by a variety of guys. Looks very static off the snap.
DeJuan Tribble, the corner that every WR wants to see lined up against him, quickly earning the unfortunate nickname "Poster". He's the only guy Adarius Bowman can beat.
Dantrelle Savage, not showing a lot of burst or toughness.
Beau Bell, who got hurt but wasn't showing requisite range beforehand
Barry Richardson, and I quote a GM: "Being fat, slow, and apparently not caring about it does not endear him to me"
Tashard Choice, looks like "just another back"
Andre Woodson, twice he threw the ball behind fast WRs when a good throw would have been a big play. If his primary read isn't there he's dead meat. Drawing unfavorable comparisons to, as one scout told me, " a cross between all 4 NFC North QBs". Considering 3 of those 4 guys essentially stink, that's not boding well for Woodson.
None of the kickers or punters has done anything to merit draft consideration.
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GS Warriors 1 wrote:when is the senior bowl?
Saturday afternoon. Its on the NFL Network.What is going on with Matt Ryan?
Did he get injured or something.
He pulled out as did Dorsey, both Long's, and Jeff Otah. In most years, a lot of top Senior prospects don't really participate in all-star games. Brohm, Carlson, Steltz, and Groves pulled out because of injury or illness.
thanks
hey icness
how has charles godfrey been doing?
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Wed. Morning:
Kellen Davis looked great, showed exceptional run blocking technique and strength. He's like Manumaleuna with better quickness
Keith Rivers was an absolute stud; could not be blocked and finished his tackles with authority.
Dan Connor also fared well in the run drills. Xavier Adibi showed outstanding quickness and better strength than expected.
Best WR of the day was Lavelle Hawkins, who looks a lot like Shaun McDonald or Wes Welker, one of those super-quick underneath-type WRs who can run after the catch.
Bad days:
Terrell Thomas looked a step slow
Justin Forsett blew a couple of very nice holes and did not show good vision in general. Also missed a chip block
Fred Davis is completely worthless as a blocker. He reminds me a great deal of a short Mike Williams, except he's a TE. One scout told me he thinks Davis always looks like he'd rather be sleeping.
None of the North QBs (Booty, Henne, Flacco) looked super sharp, but both Henne and Flacco have freaking cannons. Booty has the best touch of the 3.
re: Godfrey--he relies far too much on quickness, pretty raw technique. Got beat a couple of times yesterday and doesn't appear to understand how to "shade" outside very well. Made a great open field tackle though and also made a good block on kick return
Kellen Davis looked great, showed exceptional run blocking technique and strength. He's like Manumaleuna with better quickness
Keith Rivers was an absolute stud; could not be blocked and finished his tackles with authority.
Dan Connor also fared well in the run drills. Xavier Adibi showed outstanding quickness and better strength than expected.
Best WR of the day was Lavelle Hawkins, who looks a lot like Shaun McDonald or Wes Welker, one of those super-quick underneath-type WRs who can run after the catch.
Bad days:
Terrell Thomas looked a step slow
Justin Forsett blew a couple of very nice holes and did not show good vision in general. Also missed a chip block
Fred Davis is completely worthless as a blocker. He reminds me a great deal of a short Mike Williams, except he's a TE. One scout told me he thinks Davis always looks like he'd rather be sleeping.
None of the North QBs (Booty, Henne, Flacco) looked super sharp, but both Henne and Flacco have freaking cannons. Booty has the best touch of the 3.
re: Godfrey--he relies far too much on quickness, pretty raw technique. Got beat a couple of times yesterday and doesn't appear to understand how to "shade" outside very well. Made a great open field tackle though and also made a good block on kick return
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Back in snowy, freaking cold MI thoughts:
This is shaping up to be a very odd draft. There's about 12-15 guys who are surefire 1st rounders, then a group of about 35-45 guys who could go in the next 20 or so spots. Then there's another grouping of about 30-40 guys who could legitimately belong in the next 20 or so picks. It's not a talent-laden draft, certainly not a lot of star power, but if you cannot get 2 solid starters out of the first 3 rounds, your team really dropped the ball. The 3rd-5th rounds look better this year than last.
The WRs are really diverse, and that most certainly impacts their draft slotting. Only Doucet, Bryant, and perhaps Kelly really strike anyone as "all-around" wideouts. There truly are WRs for every type of offense in this class. Just as an example, I'll use Hawkins, who is indeed really helping himself (and in the process hurting Desean Jackson!). Hawkins is a classic Mike Martz offense Z, the underneath WR in a 3 or 4 WR set. Probably won't ever catch a pass more than 15 yards from the line, but is lethal on crossing routes, short slants, and finding that area between the LB and safety in zones. A guy like that has little value for a team like Kansas City or Cleveland or Denver, but in SF or Detroit or New Orleans he could be a 70-catch, 900 yard, 8 TD guy every year. Likewise, you won't see James Hardy on those latter teams, but he's a great big target for a more conservative passing attack that takes the occasional strike downfield.
I came away unexpectedly impressed with the following guys:
Keith Rivers, much better range and tackling than I anticipated
Dorien Bryant, played bigger than he did at Purdue and showed leadership and an affable cockiness
Tracy Porter; I knew he was good but he flat-out shut down his side of the field on 90% of the snaps he took. He's a legit #1 shutdown corner regardless of the fact he's soft against the run
Tom Zbikowski did not look out of place with the big boys and also showed leadership; on one play he realigned the LBs in front of him and it led to a tackle for loss
Jordon Dizon brought up fond memories of a young London Fletcher. I really didn't see much Colorado football this year, but this guy can really play despite his small package
Guys who didn't impress:
Andre Woodson: the comment I posted earlier really stuck with me. It's like he's a hybrid of Bad Rex, Tarvaris Jackson, and the qualities of Jon Kitna that make most Lions fans want to punch him in the testicles. Very slow, deliberate release; doesn't recognize defenses well; holds the ball too long, then tries to muscle the ball in a count later than it needed to be. He's got some good qualities too but I cannot imagine him going before the 3rd round anymore.
But he blows Colt Brennan away. Brennan honestly looked like a ballboy at an NBA practice. He's real small, lacks muscle tone and carries himself like a scared kid. The best word to describe him is "overwhelmed". I know the South WRs were trying to get in the rotation so that he wasn't throwing to them, and that speaks volumes. He makes Erik Ainge look like Dan Marino. I will laugh at and publicly ridicule any team that takes him in the first 4 rounds.
The OL from Northern Iowa (mental blank on the name) did not play well. I saw him earlier this year and really liked his potential but he's a project.
A little disappointed in Fred Davis. I never had him as high as most folks but other than nice hands (and they're legitimately great), he really offers little you can't get in better overall packages (Davis, Keller, Bennett, Rucker). It's like Pete Carroll never asked him to stay in and block. I see nothing more than a #2 TE a la Casey Fitzsimmons or Billy Miller. There is indeed a need for guys like that, but not in the top 50 picks. I kept hearing comparisons to Heath Miller but I just don't see it.
This is shaping up to be a very odd draft. There's about 12-15 guys who are surefire 1st rounders, then a group of about 35-45 guys who could go in the next 20 or so spots. Then there's another grouping of about 30-40 guys who could legitimately belong in the next 20 or so picks. It's not a talent-laden draft, certainly not a lot of star power, but if you cannot get 2 solid starters out of the first 3 rounds, your team really dropped the ball. The 3rd-5th rounds look better this year than last.
The WRs are really diverse, and that most certainly impacts their draft slotting. Only Doucet, Bryant, and perhaps Kelly really strike anyone as "all-around" wideouts. There truly are WRs for every type of offense in this class. Just as an example, I'll use Hawkins, who is indeed really helping himself (and in the process hurting Desean Jackson!). Hawkins is a classic Mike Martz offense Z, the underneath WR in a 3 or 4 WR set. Probably won't ever catch a pass more than 15 yards from the line, but is lethal on crossing routes, short slants, and finding that area between the LB and safety in zones. A guy like that has little value for a team like Kansas City or Cleveland or Denver, but in SF or Detroit or New Orleans he could be a 70-catch, 900 yard, 8 TD guy every year. Likewise, you won't see James Hardy on those latter teams, but he's a great big target for a more conservative passing attack that takes the occasional strike downfield.
I came away unexpectedly impressed with the following guys:
Keith Rivers, much better range and tackling than I anticipated
Dorien Bryant, played bigger than he did at Purdue and showed leadership and an affable cockiness
Tracy Porter; I knew he was good but he flat-out shut down his side of the field on 90% of the snaps he took. He's a legit #1 shutdown corner regardless of the fact he's soft against the run
Tom Zbikowski did not look out of place with the big boys and also showed leadership; on one play he realigned the LBs in front of him and it led to a tackle for loss
Jordon Dizon brought up fond memories of a young London Fletcher. I really didn't see much Colorado football this year, but this guy can really play despite his small package
Guys who didn't impress:
Andre Woodson: the comment I posted earlier really stuck with me. It's like he's a hybrid of Bad Rex, Tarvaris Jackson, and the qualities of Jon Kitna that make most Lions fans want to punch him in the testicles. Very slow, deliberate release; doesn't recognize defenses well; holds the ball too long, then tries to muscle the ball in a count later than it needed to be. He's got some good qualities too but I cannot imagine him going before the 3rd round anymore.
But he blows Colt Brennan away. Brennan honestly looked like a ballboy at an NBA practice. He's real small, lacks muscle tone and carries himself like a scared kid. The best word to describe him is "overwhelmed". I know the South WRs were trying to get in the rotation so that he wasn't throwing to them, and that speaks volumes. He makes Erik Ainge look like Dan Marino. I will laugh at and publicly ridicule any team that takes him in the first 4 rounds.
The OL from Northern Iowa (mental blank on the name) did not play well. I saw him earlier this year and really liked his potential but he's a project.
A little disappointed in Fred Davis. I never had him as high as most folks but other than nice hands (and they're legitimately great), he really offers little you can't get in better overall packages (Davis, Keller, Bennett, Rucker). It's like Pete Carroll never asked him to stay in and block. I see nothing more than a #2 TE a la Casey Fitzsimmons or Billy Miller. There is indeed a need for guys like that, but not in the top 50 picks. I kept hearing comparisons to Heath Miller but I just don't see it.
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Not to mention Fred Davis measured in at 6'2 so he could possibly move to H-Back at the next level. It doesn't help underclassmen like Martellus Bennett and Jermichael Finely both declared too.
Last month a lot of people were claiming he's the 1st TE taken now he could be the 4th or 5th.
Keith Rivers might have played himself into the Top 10 which sucks for the Bills.
Last month a lot of people were claiming he's the 1st TE taken now he could be the 4th or 5th.
Keith Rivers might have played himself into the Top 10 which sucks for the Bills.
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If anyone can answer these few questions I would be appreciative.
Did Kentwan Balmer justify the recent hype thats been surrounding him?
You think the Jets would think Sedrick Ellis would actually fit in the 3-4?
Marcus Harrison, Did he impress anyone?
Basically trying to get into the mindset of the Jets because there are scaring me with this draft...
Did Kentwan Balmer justify the recent hype thats been surrounding him?
You think the Jets would think Sedrick Ellis would actually fit in the 3-4?
Marcus Harrison, Did he impress anyone?
Basically trying to get into the mindset of the Jets because there are scaring me with this draft...
Jazz: Under reconstruction, we'll be back.
C- Maluach l Jackson l Hayes
PF- Okongwu l Newell l Salaun
SF- Wiggins l Bryant l McNeeley
SG- Thomas l Wallace l Nembhard
PG- Murray l Collier l Dillingham
C- Maluach l Jackson l Hayes
PF- Okongwu l Newell l Salaun
SF- Wiggins l Bryant l McNeeley
SG- Thomas l Wallace l Nembhard
PG- Murray l Collier l Dillingham
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GS Warriors 1 wrote:Icness, has Hawkins helped himself into the first round? Or could he still be had with the 49ers second round pick?
Also, the best North and South QB's?
Wow @ Brennan comments. Not that I ever thought highly of him as a pro but sounds like he's dropping fast, further than I expected.
I'm not Icness but I doubt Hawkins will go in the 1st.
This year's WR's class is pretty deep and though Hawkins has helped himself I don't see him jumping Kelly, Sweed, Hardy, Doucet, Thomas and Bennett.
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One guy who really seemed to impress a lot of people is Chad Henne. He probably passed Ainge and Woodson on most draft boards and proved he can be a very good QB if given protection. I know I said that earlier but it's been reinforced by what I keep hearing.
About the WRs:
I still think only Sweed, Kelly, and Doucet are surefire 1st rounders. But it's not out of the question for all of the following to get drafted between picks 32-75:
Hawkins
Hardy
Caldwell
Bryant
Nelson
Bennett
Desean Jackson, probably a 1st rounder based on KR ability
Thomas
Manningham
Avery
Hall
Royal
Burton
maybe Jerome Simpson and Davone Bess
About the WRs:
I still think only Sweed, Kelly, and Doucet are surefire 1st rounders. But it's not out of the question for all of the following to get drafted between picks 32-75:
Hawkins
Hardy
Caldwell
Bryant
Nelson
Bennett
Desean Jackson, probably a 1st rounder based on KR ability
Thomas
Manningham
Avery
Hall
Royal
Burton
maybe Jerome Simpson and Davone Bess