Stephen A. Smith: LeBron to join Bosh in Miami

bullsnewdynasty · Post #341 » by **bullsnewdynasty** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:56 pm

Stephen A pulls some BS out of his ass and if it happens, he's a genious

If not, he stays who is he is right now, a washed up journalist

Sever82 · Post #342 » by **Sever82** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:56 pm

nycrich wrote:
Sever82 wrote:
Rose Vs. Wade debate? Wade is better than Rose now but Rose is only 21 yrs old. Not to mention Miami is Wade's City, If Lebron goes there, he wont be number one over Lebron, can Lebron's ego and reputation handle that? Lebron is the best player in the NBA and the would be the best player on the Heat but around the NBA the Heat will still be known as Wade's Team and Lebron would take more of the Pippen Role than the Jordan role despite the fact that he's better than Wade.

I think this is an interesting point that deserves more discussion. I have seen this argument in a couple of places (maybe by you or maybe also by others).

There is little doubt that in any future GOAT conversation people would bring up Wade and/or Bosh as reasons why LeBron was not the GOAT if he went to Miami and won a bunch of championships. This goes without saying as Kobe will likely never have a legitimate stake at GOAT due to Shaq and to a lesser extent Gasol.

But, I think LeBron also realizes that he likely needs at least one other legitimate perennial all-star (sorry Mo Williams) on his team to win championships. So, where is that balance? You want teammates good enough to win championships, but not too good so you are overshadowed?

I'm not sure I buy it. I think the goal is to win as many championships as you can and let history handle itself. LeBron will likely be around and vying for championships long after Wade has retired. If he wins 3 with Wade and 8 overall and wins 5 Finals MVPs are people really going to say he couldn't win without Wade so you can't consider him GOAT?

After 7 seasons of frustration, I would think that LeBron would position himself the best place he can to win as many championships as possible over the course of his contract. Maybe he signs with Miami for 3 years with a 4th year option and goes through this again at that time in case Wade starts wearing down.

But, that's just my opinion - curious to hear other's thoughts.

I would say a player as good as Lebron, if he wants to be considered a GOAT, can't pick to play alongside a great player like Wade who ranks in the Top 3 in the NBA right now. Would MJ still stand out as the GOAT if he teamed up with Magic Johnson after Magic won his title? Dont get me wrong Pippen was a great player but he wasn't top 5 in the league when the bulls won those titles. And if MJ won his titles by teaming up with Magic, Olajuwon or any of the top 5 players of that era, he wouldn't been considered great but not a player that lead his team to a title but instead a player who was part of great team that won a title. I mean just look at the point you brought up about Kobe, The fact that Kobe wasn't the Alpha on those three titles with Shaq kind of lowers him in the GOAT talk. And to Top it off, he would never be considered an icon on the level of Wade cause like i said, Wade is established in Miami and he's the face of their franchise. I feel this would hurt Lebron's earning potential in endorsements, sales, etc.

ACE20004U · Post #343 » by **ACE20004U** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:57 pm

If Miami lands LBJ & Bosh & retains Wade we may as well not even use our cap space because short of an injury we won't be winning a title any time soon no matter what we do.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #344 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:00 pm

I think if the guy was 100% sure about his source and the claim his source has made, he wouldn't say "if I'm wrong, I'm wrong" so many times.

Bulls_MIT · Post #345 » by **Bulls_MIT** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:02 pm

ACE20004U wrote:If Miami lands LBJ & Bosh & retains Wade we may as well not even use our cap space because short of an injury we won't be winning a title any time soon no matter what we do.

DEPRESSING!! Today's the first day I have begun allowing myself to expect this to happen. Will it soften the blow if it does happen, I'm not sure but I'm preparing for the worst case scenerio.

Post #346 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:04 pm

greenwing wrote:SAS says the league loves "evil empires" and this would be one.

Hey, this comment allows me to bring up something I wrote earlier that you (bastards) ignored!

But here's one for the conspiracy theorists: All 3 of them joining forces in Miami is the NBA's worst nightmare (shared by TNT, ABC, and ESPN. So if you believe Stern is a grand puppeteer (I don't), then this won't happen. The best thing for the league is that 3 excellent teams are born out of this summer. That's better for leaguewide competition and way, way better for television revenues. If James goes to Miami (which, standing alone, is bad for the NBA since they won't want consolidate the individual television viewership that those 2 players already command individually), the League will want Bosh in NY or Chicago, for example. But there are many, many permutations. Point being, its best for the league that NY, Chicago and Miami (or substitute NJ for one of those 3 perhaps) come out of this thing highly competitive for deep conference post-season runs. All three of Wade/LeBron/Bosh in Miami does major damage to that as a simple matter of business.

That said, I don't believe in League-controlled conspiracies of this sort. But it is a simple, irrefutable fact, that Wade/LeBron/Bosh in Miami is pretty much the worst possible result from a business perspective.

I don't dispute that the NBA would like to have an "evil empire." But not one that monopolizes two of their most marketable stars when they could, instead, see those stars on separate "mega-teams" that would be elite contenders in two separate markets for the next 6 years.

What is better for the League? An "evil empire" in one city, Miami. Or two mega-teams, one in Chicago (example: LeBron/Boozer) and one in Miami (ex: Bosh/Gay) and an up-and coming competitive team in the key New York market (ex: STAT/Johnson)?

Not to mention the lack of competitive balance and risk that Miami becomes so dominant that it turns fans off to the games as being a mere exercise in futility.

I see Stern hoping like a mother that LeBron/Wade/Bosh doesn't happen.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #347 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:07 pm

JackFinn wrote:
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:If you're rich, its an awesome place to live. If you're not, well, then not so much. I don't miss living there and prefer being able to visit, but if I had all the money in the world, I'd gladly move back.

I miss it. Where about did you live?

Just outside the Gables, off of Bird road. It was a nice neighborhood, but I'm in Coral Springs now which is just as nice, and its still only a 40 minute drive or so if I want to get down to Miami for a weekend.

Honestly the language barrier really bothered me, never learned Spanish.

miamiballer · Post #348 » by **miamiballer** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:08 pm

cool, i live in gables also

boogydown · Post #349 » by **boogydown** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:08 pm

Bulls_MIT wrote:
ACE20004U wrote:If Miami lands LBJ & Bosh & retains Wade we may as well not even use our cap space because short of an injury we won't be winning a title any time soon no matter what we do.

DEPRESSING!! Today's the first day I have begun allowing myself to expect this to happen. Will it soften the blow if it does happen, I'm not sure but I'm preparing for the worst case scenerio.

SAS interview worked because it got to this guy.

umfan83 · Post #350 » by **umfan83** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:10 pm

I agree with the whole "if you goto a place once you'll love it. I'm not saying Chicago is a bad place to live because it's not. But I'm saying spend 1 week in the city during the summer, and you will think there's no better city on Earth.

Maybe not everyone feels that way, but I've had yet to have someone come here and visit me for a week that hasn't agreed with me. And I've had friends from Boston, LA, Philly, Detroit (naturally) visit and they go home and want to move here. Only in the summer though. If you come in the winter, you'll probably kill yourself by the end of the week.

miamiballer · Post #351 » by **miamiballer** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:12 pm

i visited chicago once and it was beautiful. but i was only there fore a few days in the summer

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #352 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:13 pm

miamiballer wrote:i visited chicago once and it was beautiful. but i was only there fore a few days in the summer

Funny - thats how long the summer lasts in Chicago.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #353 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:13 pm

miamiballer wrote:i visited chicago once and it was beautiful. but i was only there fore a few days in the summer

To me Chicago is the perfect medium of busy and laid back. I don't think I could handle New York.

But no beaches is something I don't know if I could get used to.

The Evidence · Post #354 » by **The Evidence** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:13 pm

Just last week Lebron's people were conducting an investigation of the Knicks. Their investigation somehow uncovers the public Isiah Thomas saga, causing them to change their minds about the Knicks, and sealing LeBosh to the Heat? Huh?

Bulls_MIT · Post #355 » by **Bulls_MIT** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:15 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
JackFinn wrote:
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:If you're rich, its an awesome place to live. If you're not, well, then not so much. I don't miss living there and prefer being able to visit, but if I had all the money in the world, I'd gladly move back.

I miss it. Where about did you live?

Just outside the Gables, off of Bird road. It was a nice neighborhood, but I'm in Coral Springs now which is just as nice, and its still only a 40 minute drive or so if I want to get down to Miami for a weekend.

Honestly the language barrier really bothered me, never learned Spanish.

I know where all these places are because of all the research I've done. Like I said I've only been there once but I'm going there for my second time for July 4th. I'll see how much I like it the second time.

Heat3 · Post #356 » by **Heat3** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:17 pm

It's different when you have to drive through rush hour traffic every day and deal with normal life crap. I've visited Chicago a few times when I lived in the midwest and definitely enjoyed myself but if I lived there I don't think I could stand all the damn tolls lol Miami is getting that way too now

When you're on vacation it's different. You do things at a slower pace, most activities are low stress. You do the kind of things that you normally skip when you're in your home city cause you got chores or other important needs to handle.

umfan83 · Post #357 » by **umfan83** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:24 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
miamiballer wrote:i visited chicago once and it was beautiful. but i was only there fore a few days in the summer

To me Chicago is the perfect medium of busy and laid back. I don't think I could handle New York.

But no beaches is something I don't know if I could get used to.

You want beaches?

North Avenue Beach:

Oak Street Beach:

Montrose Avenue Dog Beach:

Foster Beach:

39th Street Beach:

I'm telling you they are so beautiful an-

Oh crap I didn't mean to post that.

Bulls_MIT · Post #358 » by **Bulls_MIT** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:25 pm

Heat3 wrote:It's different when you have to drive through rush hour traffic every day and deal with normal life crap. I've visited Chicago a few times when I lived in the midwest and definitely enjoyed myself but if I lived there I don't think I could stand all the damn tolls lol Miami is getting that way too now

When you're on vacation it's different. You do things at a slower pace, most activities are low stress. You do the kind of things that you normally skip when you're in your home city cause you got chores or other important needs to handle.

Yeah, but when I was there, I thought about what it would be like to live there. For me, Miami would be my second choice for a place to live right now. Chicago is number one. The reason I like it here is friends and family and work and I'm a die hard Bulls fan and will always be.

At least in Miami you have the turnpike and 95 to make the traffic a little better I guess. I like Fort Lauderdale too.

LoveDaBoo · Post #359 » by **LoveDaBoo** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:26 pm

umfan83 wrote:Only in the summer though. If you come in the winter, you'll probably kill yourself by the end of the week.

I'd want to kill myself after one day in that summer heat.

boogydown · Post #360 » by **boogydown** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:31 pm

The language barrier got to me in Miami as well. Mainly because a lot of the times if you dont know how to speak spanish, they would be very rude about it. Some people you can barely understand what they say.

Now while people would naturally think that isn't a big deal, it really was for me when I have traveled to plenty of countries who don't even speak english at all (except for the educated) but they weren't as rude as the people down in Miami.

On South Beach, we all were actually kicked out a store because the guy said he couldn't understand us. Of course it all started when he jacked up the price on an item and said don't worry about the price, you are hear in Miami and you should be dancing. Long story with that. Last time I checked though, he is still in business.

The crime also is a big let down. Yes there is crime everywhere and while you really can't compare to Detroit/Flint, Miami has some extremely rough spots. They seem to have done a good job fixing it, but they have a ways to go.

I won't even get into hurricanes. Our company had to pay quite a lot with the typhoon here last year, so there really isn't anything positive to say.

Overall, the pros of Miami though do outweigh the cons. The beaches, the outdoor life, and most of all the weather.

As I said, I can't really choose a #1 area to live in the US. I like New York, Chicago, Las Vegas, LA, Miami, Hawaii, San Francisco, and Seattle. Any of those places work for me when I am in the US.

Now if you go outside the country, there are places there I can't really complain about either.